Who shams better, the E-4 mafia or Warrant Officers?

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:45:43 -0500

"Chief always leaves an extra PC on his desk with an extra set of car keys in it.... but he's actually at home"

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 5:48 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:48:56 -0500

Lol, I wish the shamming rumors were true sometimes but I've never had the chance to make up my own hours since becoming a Warrant Officer. Even as a SPC, I didn't have much time to sham either. My sham time was between PVT-PFC, ever since making SPC, I've been on the go. Maybe one day I'll get to leave an extra PC and ACU top at my desk before I retire.

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Mar 9 at 2016 5:53 PM

PO3 Steven Sherrill — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:53:38 -0500

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member Nobody shams like like the late great Billy Mays!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn8xiCHepSA

Billy Mays here with ShamWow

The tables have turned, Billy Mays steals ShamWow out of spite!

Response by SFC Thomas Howes made Mar 9 at 2016 5:57 PM

SFC Thomas Howes — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:57:20 -0500

I can't say the E4's that were in my platoon didn't have time to sham but I never saw are motor chief or Sgt at that they could sham

Response by SSgt Obom Bowen made Mar 9 at 2016 6:39 PM

SSgt Obom Bowen — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:39:11 -0500

Lol great read SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member thank you

Response by LTC Jason Bartlett made Mar 9 at 2016 6:49 PM

LTC Jason Bartlett — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:49:14 -0500

I have seen this technique along with a full cup of coffee. I have also seen where they rigged the coffee cup where it remains hot to give off an aroma. Good stuff.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 6:52 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:52:47 -0500

Being in aviation Warrant Officers have it hands down. We had one that you only ever seen when he had to fly.

Response by SPC David S. made Mar 9 at 2016 6:58 PM

SPC David S. — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:58:43 -0500

More so finding the path of least resistance than skirting.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Mar 9 at 2016 7:48 PM

Capt Mark Strobl — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:48:12 -0500

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member - Have to hand this one to the Warrant Officers. At least I know where most of my Corporals were --and vaguely what they were doing. As for the Warrant Officers...

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 7:50 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:50:35 -0500

Sorry Air Force, I don't think there are anymore WO's left

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Mar 9 at 2016 7:50 PM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 19:50:53 -0500

Haha I don't know...I think the E-4 mafia

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:32 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:32:01 -0500

e4 mafia

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:45 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:45:59 -0500

The mafia!

My unit uses warrants like they use paper. Cw2 in my unit is UMO, TC AIMS II, is the gunnery master, and the list goes on...

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 8:49 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:49:14 -0500

What's a warrant officer? I think I saw one of those once. Hold on I have to go for a smoke. Meet me on the flight deck < insert non-rate name here > with the tools.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 9:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:15:11 -0500

I have not learned about this, yet. Don't get to work with Chiefs or sham. :'/

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2016 9:42 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:42:13 -0500

Well, back when Physician Assistants were warrants...they were untouchable ghosts.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Mar 10 at 2016 1:04 AM

CAPT Kevin B. — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 01:04:21 -0500

I remember aboard ship you'd never see an E-5 around. E-6s had to be visibly interested in making Chief. E-4s got dumped on. And I got dumped on a lot.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Mar 10 at 2016 2:21 AM

SSG Warren Swan — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 02:21:02 -0500

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 3:11 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 03:11:37 -0500

My old PSG had the entire platoon go out and "survey a hill" in the woods.... When in actuality the Division commander was in the building and random platoons were getting put on cleaning duties, etc.... Outta sight out of mind! I can tell you it was the best nap I've had in a while

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 3:14 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 03:14:13 -0500

Had to adapt and overcome once when I was a PV2, I was sleeping in my car.... In the parking lot.... And my car has my last name on... And the windows were foggy.... Hmmm, I wonder Private Bernardys shit bag self is LOL. I've been taught better since!

Response by SSgt Mark Lines made Mar 10 at 2016 5:15 AM

SSgt Mark Lines — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 05:15:22 -0500

Having been a Marine, I can't speak for the Army, but I think that our LCpl's used to "sham" better than our Warrant Officers. They were never around when you needed them!

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Mar 10 at 2016 10:01 AM

LTC Paul Labrador — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 10:01:42 -0500

Well, considering that almost every chief was an E-4 at one time, I think WO's hold the advantage here. Not only do they have the experience of being in the E-4 mafia, they now have authority to tell everyone else what their job is, since no one seems to know what WO's do in the first place..... ;o)

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 12:26 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:26:12 -0500

Warrant Officers, and it ain't close.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Mar 10 at 2016 12:32 PM

SGT Dave Tracy — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 12:32:09 -0500

If you can find a Warrant, perhaps you can ask him.
;-)

Response by SPC Heidi Goodnature made Mar 10 at 2016 3:31 PM

SPC Heidi Goodnature — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:31:06 -0500

Does anyone even really know what the CW's do? I would like to say the Mafia but a CW working is like seeing a Unicorn

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 3:52 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 15:52:46 -0500

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member HOW DARE YOU?!

First Rule of the E4 Mafia, you DON'T talk about the E4 Mafia. You just got yourself kicked out! Lol!

Response by LCpl Greg Jumes made Mar 10 at 2016 4:20 PM

LCpl Greg Jumes — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:20:53 -0500

Neither, senior lance corporals skate the most

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Mar 10 at 2016 5:30 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 17:30:07 -0500

In the 1970's the Warrants were the ones that kept the Specialist 4 Mafia in check in finance. But the Specialist Mafia would work late hours when they left your finance file shredded next to your pillow.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2016 7:33 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 19:33:35 -0500

Has to be warrants. The way I know this is that I once saw a CW4 that was so fat it looked like he had a beach ball under his ACU top. Only the one, true master of shamming can skip PT enough for that to happen.

Response by SPC Miguel Rosario Cruz made Mar 10 at 2016 10:28 PM

SPC Miguel Rosario Cruz — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 22:28:18 -0500

the mafia of curse lol

Response by Cpl Jon Westbrook made Mar 10 at 2016 10:52 PM

Cpl Jon Westbrook — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 22:52:59 -0500

As the son of a second generation warrant, and one who grew up around the WOLF pack, I can say without a doubt that E4s are the bigger shammers here.

Warrant Officers get out of a lot of BS, but they also earned it. WOCS is nothing to spit at, especially when my Dad went through. Plus there's something to be said about someone who dedicates that much time to being an expert in their field.

The short version? E4s fuck off and dodge working parties, and Warrant Officers do their job then dodge the pointless formations. What are they gonna do? Fire them? Ha!

Response by SPC Shane Drum made Mar 10 at 2016 11:33 PM

SPC Shane Drum — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 23:33:33 -0500

While in an infantry unit I was able to baffle the 1st Sargeant with bullshit because I was commo . There was always equipment maitainance to complete. It was a great excuse the frequency crystals in the radios and satcom gear needed to be replaced.

Response by SGT Stefan Humphrey made Mar 11 at 2016 1:28 AM

SGT Stefan Humphrey — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:28:49 -0500

Warrant Officers obviously, especially the tower and the light saber

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2016 12:43 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:43:21 -0500

Definitely E4s. I am a WO. I chose not to participate in all the BN F***ery, but I am plenty busy doing other things, usually trying to actually make a mission/exercise happen, while everyone else is stuck in mandatory BN F***ery.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2016 12:49 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:49:37 -0500

I would definitely have to say E-4s on this one. Don't get me wrong, I have definitely tried. We do PT with our crew chiefs. When not flying I am always working on my 5 additional duties and working longer hours then when I was enlisted. Maybe different units are different though.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2016 1:30 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 13:30:32 -0500

I'm going to go with the newly promoted 2nd LT that was enlisted. Everyone figured I was new in and didn't pay much attention to my whereabouts. Flip side is I knew where the E-4's where trying to hide out.

Response by SPC James Dollins made Mar 11 at 2016 2:22 PM

SPC James Dollins — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:22:46 -0500

I would have to say Warrant Officers. The mafia, still has to report to someone, but Warrants... Well they are a breed of their own.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2016 6:47 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Mar 2016 06:47:50 -0500

When was the last time you saw an E4 give himself a 4 pass to go fishing?

/debate

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2016 2:07 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Mar 2016 14:07:40 -0500

Doing some thinking over here, I think Warrants still exist in the AF. Think about it, they've master the art of sham so much, they've removed themselves from the ranks. And soon to be retired CW4 and everyone in formation, including the Company commander (AF equivalent) is wondering who the hell this Airman is.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Mar 12 at 2016 8:12 PM

SPC Nathan Freeman — Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:12:12 -0500

I've seen an E6 go park in a barracks parking lot and sleep in his car for hours then show up for final formation

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2016 10:20 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Mar 2016 22:20:45 -0500

WO's are kings in shamming. they more like illusions, you hear their names but dont ever see who they is

Response by SPC Greg Andle made Mar 14 at 2016 9:38 AM

SPC Greg Andle — Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:38:12 -0400

By default, the E4 Mafia has sheer numbers, and can make things or people disappear. By rank, the WO has the edge, since no one wants to tell him what to do.

Response by SPC Brandon Hamilton made Mar 22 at 2016 4:11 PM

SPC Brandon Hamilton — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 16:11:54 -0400

Warrant Officers are their own Bosses.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Mar 30 at 2016 2:14 AM

Capt Mark Strobl — Wed, 30 Mar 2016 02:14:55 -0400

Q.) Difference between the E-4 Mafia and Warrant Officers?
A.) Occasionally, the E-4 Mafia gets caught.
Thus, I have to cast my vote for the Warrant Officers.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 21 at 2016 9:04 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:04:57 -0400

Being in the Air Force and having quite a few Army buddies, I knew about Warrant Officers and their reputation but I never thought I would ever see one until I got to Korea. I see them all the time, but now that I think about it, I only see them as I scan their ID onto base...

Response by PVT Mark Brown made May 30 at 2018 12:59 AM

PVT Mark Brown — Wed, 30 May 2018 00:59:04 -0400

It's gotta be Warrant Officer, they have a lot more to lose. I would think a CWO would be on a long term career path whereas many E-4 are probably heading for ETS and the coveted DD-214. I know, I know, you have to spend time as either SPC 4 or Corporal prior to being promoted to SGT (E-5.)

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 30 at 2018 1:24 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Wed, 30 May 2018 01:24:36 -0400

The E-4 mafia? Wow, that's a weird one, I've NEVER heard that one before, I understand the usage, but like as in WOW...LOL....

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made May 30 at 2018 1:25 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Wed, 30 May 2018 01:25:23 -0400

I thought I'd heard just about everything...guess my horizons needed expanding, LOL....

Response by SPC Gary Mckeown made Mar 6 at 2019 10:48 PM

SPC Gary Mckeown — Wed, 06 Mar 2019 22:48:16 -0500

Being an E4 in a Med Platoon HHC 1/505 ABN INF. we always had a WO as BN Surgeon, we medics admired Doc Stevens, I and the other Medics learned so much from him. Much respect from the E4 Mafia for him.

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Mar 11 at 2019 11:51 AM

1SG John Highfill — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:51:12 -0400

They both have there experts junior ranks need leading and motivation

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Aug 12 at 2021 3:40 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:40:21 -0400

Was going to comment a few days ago, but I had an appointment!