Posted on Apr 4, 2018
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And here's why I say that: what's the first thing we do when we identify a soldier as a mental health hazard? *TAKE THEIR WEAPON AWAY.*
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I oppose all gun restrictions.
If you are not in government custody you should have all of your rights. Even if people don't have all of their rights, my rights should not be infringed upon to ensure someone else has their rights denied.
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Sgt Christopher Miller
Sgt Christopher Miller
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MAJ Bryan Zeski - I never said it wasn't under assault (it is). I also didn't mention the hoops that one must jump through to obtain some of the previously mentioned items. Between the detailed forms, highly intrusive background checks, $200 tax stamp (essentially a poll tax) for NFA items, as well as the overall amount of governmental red tape. Some of those items also cost tens of thousands of dollars to own and maintain.
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PO1 Jesse Armstrong
PO1 Jesse Armstrong
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Hey Guys, Its not infringement but I think common sense should be applied. In every situation related to having the right to bare arms it should never be infringed upon by government. However, remember there are a lot of brainwashed, antisocial, fear Mongering end times, end of the world thinkers out there that can be really dangerous. A lot of mentally ill people who have these guns and ammunitions that make it hard for us in the end when they do some really stupid stuff...
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PO1 Jesse Armstrong
PO1 Jesse Armstrong
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We can never be a gun free zone in any circumstances because we the militia are a well trained group who can defend this nation against a tyrannical government and there supporters...
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Sgt Frank Staples
Sgt Frank Staples
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PO1 Jesse Armstrong - The problem is, Jesse, that I have read on this forum, military members who think that semi-automatic AR 15's should not be allowed for American citizens! What hogwash! My full semi-auto clip magazine assault rifle is safe for even a general to use!
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We have laws on the books dealing with mental health now that are not being enforced in part because agencies do not talk with each other, incompetence, or privacy concerns, so no we do not need new laws. Time after time, these shooters have been on the radar of multiple agencies and nothing was done.
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
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Sgt (Join to see) - Now we are getting somewhere... So in the case of the shooter in Florida, the Florida law would apply - Fla. Stat. Ann. §§ 790.065:
"Upon receipt of a request for a criminal history record check, the Department of Law Enforcement shall, during the licensee’s call or by return call forthwith:
Review any records available to determine if the potential buyer or transferee:
Has been adjudicated mentally defective or has been committed to a mental institution by a court, and as a result is prohibited by state or federal law from purchasing a firearm."

What records were available that determined Cruz had been adjudicated "mentally defective" or committed to a mental institution? Do the police reports that were available meet this criteria for reporting? I don't believe so.

Bottom line, was the law, as written, sufficient and people failed to enforce it (if so, who), or does the law require revision to be effective?
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SSgt Ronald Orso
SSgt Ronald Orso
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What people aren't realizing is that the VAST majority of these shooters are NOT mentally ill. They are merely EVIL. They know right from wrong, they just don't care, and I say that as a retired LEO of 25 years. What changed from the 20th century???? The way parents have given up their responsibility to raise children correctly.
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LCDR Bruce Cooley
LCDR Bruce Cooley
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.....as with most of our laws, ENFORCEMENT is the real issue. We have way too many gun laws....and it appears (From the way the media is reporting it) that enforcement is haphazard at best.
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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Well then, mental health has a wide variety of definitions and issues, we already have laws preventing folks with mental issues from buying and possessing firearms, we don't need addition PRE-CRIME laws added to the books when we have so many laws that are not enforced as it is. This last school shooting was easily prevented if folks would have done their jobs, so it isn't an easy fix.
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PO1 Don Rowan
PO1 Don Rowan
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SSG Robert Webster - Read what??? Enforce the laws we already Have? Did you read my post? Those laws were ignored because it was a setup between the city government and the police NOT to enforce those laws because it would affect the monies they were receiving from said government. Perhaps you should read the further developments on this story.
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SSG Robert Webster
SSG Robert Webster
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PO1 Don Rowan - That is just it, they did not enforce the law or school policies and you are correct, they (the authorities responsible) did not do it because of $$. That however does not alter the supposition that if the law and school policies had been followed that in all likely hood that this incident would not have occurred. And that is the bottom line.
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PO1 Don Rowan
PO1 Don Rowan
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What do you think I was saying? There was criminal action by the sheriff and local government.
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SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM
SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM
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just because you have a MHI don't mean you can't carry a weapon, I have been out of the Army since 2008 and I have PTSD and never tried to buy or carry a weapon since, Now I'm coming up on a EXP assignment OCONUS with the government and I am told I have to carry a fire arm in theater to protect myself, You think they should give me a weapon because I am treated with PTSD? More then half of the military soldiers have some kind of PTSD you and your leadership need to look for the signs of danger. I would not rather carry a fire arm because I will have soldiers all around me but who can you trust these days who got your 6. I have to get a medical screening and a wavier to carry so if you have a soldier who you think might be a issues you better get them an evaluation before you set your own trap.
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