Why can't I have a concealed carry?

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:41:11 -0500

I'm 19, national guard, heading to Afghanistan within the next year, have I not earned my 2nd amendment right? I can actually get a conceal license, but can't buy a handgun except through private trade. Why can't I go to a gun store and buy one like a normal voting adult? I can't drink a beer with my dad before I go and now I have to ask him if I can borrow his handguns?

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Mar 4 at 2015 1:48 PM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:48:33 -0500

That also varies by state.

Response by GySgt Joe Strong made Mar 4 at 2015 1:48 PM

GySgt Joe Strong — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:48:58 -0500

While I wouldn't try this in Real Life, I have neither the time, nor funding for the legal battle, nor the desire to be in custody while it plays out.
You have these rights. There's just a division in America about whether the Constitution gives, or, enumerates already possessed rights.
You are feeling the burden of, regulated, given rights.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Mar 4 at 2015 1:57 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:57:21 -0500

Former gun dealer here.

The phrasing is not necessarily correct.

Legally, from an FFL, you may not purchase a Hand gun (Pistol, Revolver, or Derringer). You are allowed to purchase a long gun (Shotgun or Rifle). Additionally, you may not purchase ammunition of hand guns.

Here's the actual court ruling

http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cpub%5C11/11-10959-CV0.wpd.pdf

Do I agree with it? No. Is it consistent with previous SCOTUS Rulings regarding Public Safety and 18-20 year olds? Yes.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Mar 4 at 2015 2:02 PM

1LT Nick Kidwell — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 14:02:45 -0500

Am I the only one who is stressed by the lack of muzzle control by the woman carrying in her purse?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2015 2:04 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 14:04:52 -0500

Have you had any traffic violations or any misdemeanors against you? I had to have my record expunged even tho they were not felony charges. I could carry and was legal as long as I already had a pistol but couldn't purchase until my record was expunged, even with a CCP.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Mar 4 at 2015 2:09 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 14:09:18 -0500

Ideas to get this worked out:

1. Write your Congressperson and explain your predicament (without whining) and explain how you were given this right by the second amendment and want to know how you can assist in getting that right given back to you properly.

2. Move to Texas.

Response by PO1 Dustin Adams made Mar 4 at 2015 3:45 PM

PO1 Dustin Adams — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 15:45:43 -0500

It could be worse, you could live someplace like California where the county Sheriff determines who gets a concealed carry license/permit. San Diego county has one of the highest concentrations of Active Duty and Veterans but Sheriff Gore requires you show a qualified "need" to justify concealed carry. He finally lost a lawsuit filed in 2008 in a decision by the 9th circuit but is delaying as long as he can to comply.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/nov/12/gun-carry-concealed-weapon-ccw-intervene-ruling/

Ruling clears way for concealed guns

Law-abiding Californians are one step closer to being able to carry concealed firearms for protection. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled in February that citizens can bear arms for self-defense, said Wednesday that opponents, including the state attorney general, won't be allowed to appeal the ruling because they have no legal standing to be part of the case. That means San Diego and other counties across the state could...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 7:08 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 07:08:15 -0400

Yeah it's bullshit. You just have to be patient like the rest of us. Or start voting better.

Response by Lt Col Fred Marheine, PMP made Apr 12 at 2015 7:09 AM

Lt Col Fred Marheine, PMP — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 07:09:40 -0400

Because it suits our government's purpose to treat 18-20 year olds as a group of people incapable of making good decisions - as opposed to championing individual accountability and holding those 18-20 year olds who make bad decisions accountable for their actions. Just pause for a second and consider what our country would be like if 18-year olds were encouraged and expected to exercise individual accountability in their word and deed - the calamity that would result would be monumental. While I meant that with extreme sarcasm, I believe it is entirely true from the perspective of those who believe they know better than we do what's good for us...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 12:08 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 12:08:43 -0400

I came in at 17. I couldn't even buy my own smokes. Does it suck? Yes. I was an NCO leading Soldiers into combat and couldn't buy a beer. You'll survive it. As others said, write your congressman and until there's change, buck up.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 11:08 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:08:46 -0400

Does anyone know if you get your CCL from the state on your home of record and utilize it in the state you are stationed in?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jun 20 at 2015 7:14 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:14:56 -0400

Many of us want to throw the BS flag on that one too. Old enough to go into combat, not old enough to buy a beer? With all this equality stuff being a top DoD priority, you'd think they are used to making changes to the military by now.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 7:29 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:29:45 -0400

Shit sucks but you just have to wait it out. I don't see that changing anytime soon especially with all these shootings.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Jun 20 at 2015 7:38 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:38:30 -0400

Obama wants to take those rights from you. And if that doesn't work, he will classify you as mentally unfit .

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jun 20 at 2015 7:51 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:51:19 -0400

Your ability to buy a concealable weapon is hampered by guys like California State Senator Leland Yee. The hypocrite that just got caught trafficking arms.
http://www.nranews.com/ginny/video/anti-gun-senator-busted-for-gun-trafficking/list/united-states-videos

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 8:33 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 20:33:27 -0400

As you wait for change to come about, you can always hunt the good stuff as Master Resiliency training teaches us. You can save enough money by the time that you are able to purchase, to buy several guns, or something nicer than what you want to get now.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jul 1 at 2015 6:14 PM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:14:12 -0400

One doesn't earn rights, PFC Private RallyPoint Member, they're endemic, but I agree with you on the age thing. The Militia Act of 1958 says you'd be in the inactive Militia if you weren't in the Guard, so you should be allowed...indeed REQUIRED...to keep and bear arms.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 2:00 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 02:00:54 -0400

You're 19 so I don't expect you to believe it, but not everything is about you.

If an irresponsible teenager has his, "gat" I don't want him to get away with it just because he has a permit. Just because you're responsible doesn't mean most teenagers are.

People make a lot of stupid decisions throughout their lives, but hormones exasperate them. If you're going to have a steady, reserved bunk in a jailhouse, your name is going in the log book around that time. Trust and fidelity, just like anything else, has to be proven and earned.

Be a man and be patient like everyone else was.

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Jun 10 at 2019 7:34 PM

PVT Robert Gresham — Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:34:20 -0400

PFC Private RallyPoint Member, the best tip I can give you is to move to Alaska. Residents over 18 can buy a handgun here. Also you can carry concealed without a permit. If you get you permit however, there are reciprocal agreements with the following states:
Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania,
South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.
Interestingly, if you have a CC license from another state, Alaska will only recognize it if you are over the age of 21.
Of course you still have to follow local laws, so if you move to Alaska and decide to travel back home before you are of legal age to buy a handgun in your state, you won't be able to use the agreement with Alaska to concealed carry there.