Why do course class beginning and ending dates not match the course length descriptions on ATRRS?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:32:05 -0400

I was trying to schedule time off with my civilian employer for training and the course length is 7 weeks and 3 days. But when you look at the start and end dates it is longer than that. What time length should I tell my employers?

Response by SFC David McMahon made Jul 18 at 2016 9:36 AM

SFC David McMahon — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:36:41 -0400

Normally whatever is showing in ATRRS (I might have spelled that wrong).

Courses have to accommodate for I processing and outprocessing (both CONUS and OCONUS students) as well as the possibility of any retraining/recycling (normally an average but this isn't the norm per say).

ATRRS however has the "human input" problem. Normally it's pretty accurate (I'd say generally 98%) so go with the dates showing.

But of course if the school has its own site, I'd refer to that if not a P.O.C. to contact.

Response by 1SG Patrick Burke made Jul 18 at 2016 9:40 AM

1SG Patrick Burke — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:40:21 -0400

I would calculate your response to your employers using the start and end date, not the course length. The School House/Center of Excellence lays out the courses prior to each Fiscal Year and are briefed and validated by the Center of Excellence prior to publishing, so the start and end dates should be just about correct.

Response by SFC Josh Billingsley made Jul 18 at 2016 10:11 AM

SFC Josh Billingsley — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:11:58 -0400

I've been to a school where they don't match. Go with the achool house dyaes. Everyone in my class had their 1610s created off the attrs dates and we were given 72 hours to have them amended to match the school house or we were sent home.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 11:12 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:12:48 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member - Course dates are (usually ... supposed to be(?)) IAW the POI of the respective course. In/Out processing are taken into consideration in the POI. If a course gets out early, that was that particular schoolhouse making that judgement call. I am aware of only one schoolhouse that deviated from the POI and let out early because it was convenient for them.

BTW ... Army Training Requirements and Resources System (ATRRS).

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jul 18 at 2016 11:13 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:13:12 -0400

ATTRS is GIGO
Garbage in Garbage out.
It is populated by someone at that school house with special ATRRS access to edit the course description and supporting info.

I ran the Schools section for 1st Cav as part of my G3 SGM duties.. and we ran into ATTRS course info being worng, outdated a lot. The Fix was many times done by a school house person that had no actual knowledge of the course.. but was just the person responsible for updating ATTRS
Bottom line, you will often get info in a welcome packet that is more updated, more correct than a ATTRS course description. ..

Response by Sgt Chris Lima made Jul 18 at 2016 11:23 AM

Sgt Chris Lima — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:23:08 -0400

This is funny. I work with CeTARS at a Navy training command. Same thing. Your best bet is to contact the school and talk to somebody who actually teaches the course... not someone who will just look it up in the system. Often times, extra time is built in for admin purposes. Also possible that either the course length is wrong, or the person who "built" the course in the system put in the wrong dates.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 6:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:29:37 -0400

7 weeks and 3 days does not count for any training holidays or travel time so ensure you plan for them.

Response by Lt Col Paul Maxwell made Jul 19 at 2016 10:33 AM

Lt Col Paul Maxwell — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:33:10 -0400

Give employer all the info you can. Explain the course dates as listed, as well as the other calendar info you have. Play it straight w your employer, they will understand there is some travel/arrival time in there. When you FINISH the school, you will of course end up with travel voucher documents, pay docs, and orders with actual dates. Allow yourself a day or so of return cushion for planning ... As a civilian (as well As military) supervisor, I would prefer a rested employee returns on time on Monday as planned, rather than last minute no show because class ran 1 day late, problems w making flight connections, Etc.