Why do most recent Medal of Honor recipients leave the military shortly after being awarded it?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:59:26 -0500

Mainly speaking about the latest MoH recipients from the Global War on Terrorism. I understand you receive a number of benefits for being a recipient of the award, such as; $1200 per month for life, 10% increase in military retirement pension, qualified dependents are automatically approved for attendance at military academies, commissary and PX privileges for life, the list goes on and on. Just wondering why the ones that had under 20 years wouldn't finish. Any thoughts on this?

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Response by CSM Chuck Stafford made Jan 19 at 2017 8:04 AM

CSM Chuck Stafford — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:04:34 -0500

Obviously can't speak from experience, but I suspect that:
1) They've all been through a traumatic significant emotional event
2) Their status as a MoH recipient has moved them away from being with Soldiers and more towards public speaking engagements and poster boy stuff (may not be the comfort zone)

Response by Shirleene Prioleau made Jan 19 at 2017 8:31 AM

Shirleene Prioleau — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 08:31:57 -0500

I concur with CSM Chuck Stafford.
1. I think they are overwhelmed.
2. new images and public awareness, where they were in the background before
3. fear of not having the opportunity or surviving the second time

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Jan 19 at 2017 9:31 AM

SPC Erich Guenther — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 09:31:13 -0500

In my opinion......Well for one they can't deploy with their unit anymore with a MoH because DoD fears capture or death in combat of a MoH reciepient so much. Second I think it is the public attention. Third during the GWOT some of these folks only intended to be in one term for the college benefits but were stop lossed and just enlisted again for a second term. They had goals to leave prior to the award. And yes I can see the event itself and constantly having to relive it weighing in and playing a role as well.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Jan 19 at 2017 10:24 AM

LTC Stephen C. — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:24:15 -0500

SFC Private RallyPoint Member, I've met two MoH recepients; COL Ola Lee Mize, USA and Col George "Bud" Day, USAF (both now deceased). Each of them completed long careers in their respective services.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 11:41 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:41:41 -0500

In addition to all the other reasons given, as a Servicemember, if you are awarded to Medal of Honor, you have achieved the pinnacle of military honors (in the U.S.) Anything else is going backwards. As for promotions, you would most likely be automatically selected for the next higher rank, as no one else in your current grade would not be able to touch you.

Response by SFC George Smith made Jan 19 at 2017 12:00 PM

SFC George Smith — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:00:01 -0500

and many don't care to have all the Noterioty and be singled out as a hero...

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 1:07 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:07:55 -0500

Probably because they get tired of being used in the dog and pony show.

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Jan 19 at 2017 4:19 PM

SSG Carlos Madden — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 16:19:29 -0500

I think a lot of people leave the military because they end up medically retiring. If you find yourself with an MoH, my guess is theres a good chance you also have a Purple Heart. So they might not have the choice of remaining in. In fact I think Ty Carter petitioned to come back in. The MoH recipients might not finish their twenty because they are able to retire earlier.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Jan 19 at 2017 7:49 PM

SSG Jeremy Sharp — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:49:01 -0500

Nick Bacon was awarded the Medal of Honor in Vietnam and was still a drill in 1981 when I went to basic at Fort McClellan, AL. I had the honor of attending his retirement ceremony while in basic along with soldiers of 10th, 11th and 12th STBs.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2017 10:54 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:54:27 -0500

Medal of Honor recipients are non-deployable. There's one big reason there.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2017 3:03 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Jan 2017 03:03:54 -0500

SFC Private RallyPoint Member I would imagine it has to do a lot with how others would treat you. It is hard to shake that off. Are you being ranked and judged by your previous actions or as you would be if you had not received a MoH? Everyone is saluting you (as you earned that right) and that might make others feel weird. Right or wrong people may treat you differently and it is just not the same military for them anymore.

Or another thing is that they may have seen too much and not want to go through anything like that again and focus on family.

Response by TSgt Tommy Amparano made Feb 1 at 2017 6:11 PM

TSgt Tommy Amparano — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 18:11:40 -0500

Aren't you required to salute a MoH recipient? That might get weird for the recipient.

Response by PO2 Seth Carron made Feb 1 at 2017 6:12 PM

PO2 Seth Carron — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 18:12:58 -0500

I think the biggest reason would be that MoH recipients from the GWOT campaign were all medically retired, or were already out, Dakota Myers was already out when he received his, Kyle Carpenter lost an eye during his actions that earned his, one soldier lost a hand in a grenade blast, this isn't like Forrest Gump where he receives one and the only wound he gets is a bullet in the ass, these service members get seriously wounded.

Response by John Escude made Feb 1 at 2017 6:24 PM

John Escude — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 18:24:26 -0500

John Basilone was redeployed and was killed on Iwo Jima at his request after receiving his Medal of Honor for his actions at Guadalcanal in WWII

Response by CW4 John Wheatley made Feb 1 at 2017 8:00 PM

CW4 John Wheatley — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:00:32 -0500

While I was stationed at Schofield Barracks 1985 to 1989 I played raquetball a few times with a Medal of Honor winner Ken Stumpf He was SFC E7 at the time. When he won the CMH he was a Sp 4 so He was one who stayed.

Response by SSG Johnnie Vaughn made Feb 1 at 2017 8:35 PM

SSG Johnnie Vaughn — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 20:35:31 -0500

While I imagine some do due to injuries, others remain on active duty. I served under LTC Jack Jacobs in Panama in the early 80s. He had been awarded the MOH as a captain in Vietnam. He finally retired as a full bird, and you can see him on TV occasionally as a military analyst.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Feb 1 at 2017 10:52 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:52:46 -0500

Not everyone joined the military to be a careerist. Being awarded the MoH doesn't change that. The same reasons people stay or get out still apply to MoH recipients. BTW, the reason why it seems that MoH recipients all get out after they are awarded it is because a) the medal is so damn rare that there is just not enough of a population to get a good generalization regarding whether they tend to stay or go....and half the time the medal is awarded posthumously which decreases the population even more, b) many are so severely injured they HAVE to retire from the service, c) many recipients had already gotten out by the time their medals were finally approved. Then there are the reasons already mentioned (pressure from the status, trauma, etc).

Response by SSG John Jensen made Feb 2 at 2017 3:06 AM

SSG John Jensen — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 03:06:25 -0500

i thought it was because they couldn't be busted for forgetting to shave that one morning

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 1:10 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 13:10:40 -0500

You have to remember a couple of them were already separated by the time the award was approved. Outside of that, I was at JBLM for a while during the time Ty Carter was there. 7TH ID used the guy as a weirdo pseudo-mascot for ceremonial purposes...I can't imagine anyone would want to be in that position.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2017 12:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 May 2017 12:14:15 -0400

I feel inclined to agree with some of the people here that the awardee is probably tired of public speaking events where they are placed on a pedestal. Most likely during the action that afforded the award they lost comrades and are still remorseful. As for the comments about promotions, I will definitely agree with the LTC Paul Labrador, I don't care if you have every medal clothing sales sells, I will still rate your performance.

Response by SSG David Fetty made May 25 at 2017 12:41 PM

SSG David Fetty — Thu, 25 May 2017 12:41:53 -0400

Not all do. In Air Assault School @ Campbell in '75, graduation day, and I came around a corner at a high rate of speed, almost knocking over one of the instructors. First thing I saw was this leeetle baby blue ribbon with white stars. Stopped, rendered a salute, and moved out. It was so unexpected, and shocking that I have never been able to remember his name to my regret.

In a similar vein, in the civilian world, I worked with another recipient at a job I won't mention so he won't be identified. Because of his acclaim and ability, he was given a good position and did his job as expected. A new plant manager took exception to what was being done, and Fired him. He laughed as he walked off the property, returning in a day or two to a new plant manager :)

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2017 3:53 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 May 2017 15:53:20 -0400

Some do. Some do not. There is no reg requiring it. You can still deploy.

Response by LtCol George Carlson made May 25 at 2017 4:21 PM

LtCol George Carlson — Thu, 25 May 2017 16:21:10 -0400

Like all generalizations (including this one) this statement is erroneous on its face. But several have already cited reasons that a lot of MoH recipients do not remain in: 1) the award was posthumous; 2) they received serious injuries; 3) they never intended to be career anyway. On the other hand I have know two who both remained in long after the award. One was awarded the MoH for actions in Korea as TSgt (USMC had that rank in those days). When I met him, he was a CWO-4 (prior to CWO-5 creation) and a "bursting bomb" Marine Gunner. That was some 20 years after his award. He was pretty "salty" (deservedly so) and when I asked if he always talked to the CG the way he did on the phone while I was sitting there, he responded, "Hell, Skipper, there ain't no W-5 board this year!"

Response by SGT David Maset made May 25 at 2017 5:24 PM

SGT David Maset — Thu, 25 May 2017 17:24:58 -0400

Not true at all. Many recipients of the medal have gone on and finished careers....

Response by Sgt Tony Warren made May 25 at 2017 5:57 PM

Sgt Tony Warren — Thu, 25 May 2017 17:57:56 -0400

I know of 2 MOH recipients that stayed on active duty after they were awarded the MOH. COL Jay Vargas and MSGT Dick Pittman. Kudos and Semper Fi.

Response by MSG Ed Dammer made May 25 at 2017 6:05 PM

MSG Ed Dammer — Thu, 25 May 2017 18:05:18 -0400

I've met Col. Joe Marm who (if I remember correctly) earned his MoH at the Ia Drang Valley in December 1965. He was a junior officer at the time. When I met him, he was a full Colonel and still on Active Duty so not everyone retires immediately after receiving the award.

Response by MAJ Luca Luca made May 25 at 2017 6:15 PM

MAJ Luca Luca — Thu, 25 May 2017 18:15:45 -0400

I think a lot do actually stay in. Unfortunately, the majority of recipients are posthumously awarded, so they don't get a future, then another group would be the draftees, who had no intention of being SMs to begin with. Then there are the guys who just carried on with their career and there a lot of them who stayed in. There are a few who do get out, think about what you have to see, do to receive it, lot of reasons to just peel afterwards.

Response by SSgt Mac McNeil made May 25 at 2017 8:08 PM

SSgt Mac McNeil — Thu, 25 May 2017 20:08:47 -0400

They survived what should have killed them. "Above and beyond the call...."
Benefits are the bare fucking minimum

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2017 8:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 May 2017 20:15:51 -0400

Not true. When I served in the 1st Cav Div our Division CSM was a MOH recipient for action 15 years prior.

Response by LT Louis McKellar made May 25 at 2017 9:09 PM

LT Louis McKellar — Thu, 25 May 2017 21:09:45 -0400

When I attended the Surflant Ball in 1984, there was an ensign wearing the MOH. He retired shortly before I did in the mid 1990`s as a LT with 25 years.

Response by 1stLt Ro Gra made May 25 at 2017 11:17 PM

1stLt Ro Gra — Thu, 25 May 2017 23:17:12 -0400

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made May 25 at 2017 11:26 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Thu, 25 May 2017 23:26:59 -0400

SFC Private RallyPoint Member My Guess, Way to Many Extra Orifices in Their Body. Medical Retirement.

Response by MAJ Michael Flynn made May 25 at 2017 11:33 PM

MAJ Michael Flynn — Thu, 25 May 2017 23:33:45 -0400

LTC Ron Ray stayed on AD as did Major Drew Dix and Col Donlon.

Response by A1C Ken Bradley made May 25 at 2017 11:49 PM

A1C Ken Bradley — Thu, 25 May 2017 23:49:09 -0400

These are SMALL benefits for their service. They deserve this and much more.
Thank you for your service and sacrifice.

Response by Cpl Alan Michaud made May 26 at 2017 12:45 AM

Cpl Alan Michaud — Fri, 26 May 2017 00:45:39 -0400

The award is very rare. The only time I have ever seen a man wearing the award in person was of all places Iraq. I had just cleared my weapon and turned the corner behind a concrete barrier into the chow hall at TQ when a tall civilian crassed before me. Around his neck was a strange baby blue scarf I could not see from far away. Suddenly the bronze gold colors of the star afixed to the ribbon came into focus. The man was my father's age a Medal of Honor recipient from the Vietnam war. Now I had a real problem, there was a MOH clear as day but I was in a war zone, do I solute or not. I decided the jersey barrier wall provided the man enough cover so I came to the position of attention and rendered a salute. The man humbly thanked me and sook my hand. When I entered the chow hall i found several other men all with the same aware around their necks. It was a stange occurrence to see these men all in their sixties over there in Iraq to support us, their generation of veterans is one of great humility and fortitude, thank you gentlemen.

Response by SSG Chris Allsopp made May 26 at 2017 12:56 AM

SSG Chris Allsopp — Fri, 26 May 2017 00:56:34 -0400

Possibly injuries sustained makes them incapable of performing the mission, maybe the recognition is too much for them, or maybe it's better for themselves or family to leave the service. Their are a billion reasons to leave, and no offense to my fellow veterans, and handful of reasons to stay, one of those reasons is fellow veterans. We all must walk our own path, if the question troubles you reach out to a MoH recipient and ask them, they are an epitome of soldier, but they are still a soldier.

Response by SP6 Steve Baldwin made May 26 at 2017 1:20 AM

SP6 Steve Baldwin — Fri, 26 May 2017 01:20:57 -0400

It's not because they cannot deploy, many had gone back into battle in the old days. Some have even been awarded multiple awards. They cannot retire if they still haven't completed their 20 years of active service, though a MOH awardee does get something like $400 a month for life. More than likely tired of dog and pony show, or maybe even book deals and speaking engagements.

Response by SSG Eric M Hersh made May 26 at 2017 3:54 AM

SSG Eric M Hersh — Fri, 26 May 2017 03:54:54 -0400

first they usually either save or cause death to others. or. just do what they do best kill people that what the military teaches u to do 11b60

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2017 5:21 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 May 2017 05:21:59 -0400

Also said personnel who earned the MOH (Combat or Humanitarian) generally weren't awarded right away as with it's status it has to be under heavy review and at times may not be awarded till years after the event when the service member is already retired or in a significant amount of cases already deceased. Now on the flip side you do have someone who has gone through serious events who really don't want to remember every vivid detail and put it to words, from a previous position they held to being a piece of show and tell/propaganda. Though something that sticks with me till this day is when I met Arthur Jackson. Recipient of the Combat MOH from WW2. Recorded was 55+ confirmed kills and with fellow Marines running him supply's he destroyed 15(?) Japanese bunkers. A very nice gentleman and his wife is also a great artist.

Response by SPC Xai Owner made May 26 at 2017 8:14 AM

SPC Xai Owner — Fri, 26 May 2017 08:14:36 -0400

Purely speculating as 3rd generation Army but to be a living recipient of the MOH you have most certainly cheated death thru the willingness and selflessness to risk your life so others may live. More than likely having suffered some serious trauma I feel they given their 20 years. Just my opinion.

Response by SSG Johnathan Stoor made May 26 at 2017 11:02 AM

SSG Johnathan Stoor — Fri, 26 May 2017 11:02:09 -0400

Robert Foley from the 27th Infantry Regiment "Wolfhounds" received the MoH as a Captain in Vietnam. He stayed in for the long run retiring as LTG.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2017 12:25 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 May 2017 12:25:04 -0400

One can also assume it's like if a soldier wins a lottery larger than his commanders annual salary. "Why the hell would I let some douchebag smoke me? I'm a MOH recipient." Plus that really kind of puts them on a different tier than any soldier around them.

Response by MAJ Tom McCuin made May 26 at 2017 12:38 PM

MAJ Tom McCuin — Fri, 26 May 2017 12:38:38 -0400

Of the five MOH recipients I've had the honor to meet -- CAPT Tom Hudner, CAPT Tom Kelley, Col Bud Day, CSM Jon Cavaiani, and MSG Leroy Petry -- only Petry didn't stay for 20 years, but he did reenlist after receiving his award and medically retired in 2014.

Two others who come to mind are COL Robert Howard, who received the MOH for actions in 1968 and retired in 1992, and MSG Fred Zabitosky (who has a road named after him on Ft. Bragg) who also earned his MOH in 1968 and retired in 1989.

Response by SPC Kelley McMahan made May 26 at 2017 1:27 PM

SPC Kelley McMahan — Fri, 26 May 2017 13:27:04 -0400

Well obviously having never received the MoH or anything remotely close, I did serve with one man that did receive it for actions in combat that occurred in 1968. We was awarded the MoH in 1969. Roughly 18 months later. He stayed active and was eventually allowed to be part of operational filed units. Even reaching the rank of Command Sargeant Major and was the Squadron CSM of 4th sqdn 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment during Desert Shield and Desert Storm before retiring in 1991. I had the extreme honor to serve with this man and would have followed him straight into the mouth of hell had he but asked.

Response by Cpl Gary Alexander made May 26 at 2017 4:51 PM

Cpl Gary Alexander — Fri, 26 May 2017 16:51:42 -0400

Not true.... Leroy Petry stayed in for a year or two, went back to "The 'Stan" before retiring. Don Ballard got out of the navy before he received The MOH... he got a commission in the army and retired a colonel.

Jack Lucas got the Medal on Iwo Jima and was ret from the Corps on medical... was out until his 30s and talked himself into a army commission In the 82nd and retired at Captain. George Whalen Iwo also got Army commission and retired a major after a tour of Vietnam.... I knew/know them personally.

Response by SMSgt A.m. Stump made May 26 at 2017 5:02 PM

SMSgt A.m. Stump — Fri, 26 May 2017 17:02:41 -0400

Most do not want the attention. Every time a new MoH is nominated, reporters will dig up facts on past recipients. Reporters will call to ask for comment. Also, MoHs are public documents. There's no hiding from the notoriety. Service crosses, Silver Stars and Bronze Stars can all have an unclassified citation and a classified citation. A person can hide behind what they really did in a classified citation.

Response by SSG Juan Restrepo made May 26 at 2017 5:29 PM

SSG Juan Restrepo — Fri, 26 May 2017 17:29:20 -0400

Because after you earn one who the hell can tell you anything about anything? I'd get out as well.

Response by SFC Steve Juilianna made May 26 at 2017 6:33 PM

SFC Steve Juilianna — Fri, 26 May 2017 18:33:08 -0400

I have met several MOH recipients, each one of them basically traveled and met with soldiers and talked with them. No more war fighting. After a while I don't think many soldiers could do that for a career.

Response by Cpl Thomas Woods made May 26 at 2017 6:39 PM

Cpl Thomas Woods — Fri, 26 May 2017 18:39:54 -0400

I know of no order prohibiting MoH receipients from deploying........

Response by SSgt Gordon Olayvar made May 26 at 2017 7:19 PM

SSgt Gordon Olayvar — Fri, 26 May 2017 19:19:04 -0400

USMC SgtMaj Kellog received his MOH in Nam, he didnt retire until after Desert Storm...

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made May 26 at 2017 8:30 PM

FN Charlie Spivey — Fri, 26 May 2017 20:30:46 -0400

I know how the only CG winner of the MoH got his. Signalman 1st Class Douglas Munro was leading a group of LSTs at Guadalcanal. The Japanese had the high ground and had the Marines pinned down on the beach, so Munro led his group of LSTs in to pick them up. They did and Munro had positioned his LST between the Beach and departing LSTs providing fire and to cover the LSTs. When the the last one was out of range of the Japanese fire, Munro turned his LST to follow. It was then he was fatally hit. The ones that aren't Posthumous awards are probably pretty well dinged up to the point they are unable to serve any way and medically retired.

Response by CPL Vincent Breeden made May 26 at 2017 8:44 PM

CPL Vincent Breeden — Fri, 26 May 2017 20:44:03 -0400

I would get out if I had to Salute the enire base walking around. All normality it out the window at that point.

Response by SGT Robert Johnson made May 26 at 2017 9:28 PM

SGT Robert Johnson — Fri, 26 May 2017 21:28:10 -0400

So am I the only one who thinks it's shitty to only be getting the 1200 a month? Or is this on top of whatever retirement they are getting?

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2017 9:29 PM

CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 May 2017 21:29:41 -0400

It's common to be awarded MOH posthumously. Being dead is a good reason to get out.

Response by SSG Dennis O'Connor Jr. made May 26 at 2017 11:47 PM

SSG Dennis O'Connor Jr. — Fri, 26 May 2017 23:47:28 -0400

Had the honor and privilege of meeting a few MOH recipients. Each was the epitome of humble. None considered themselves a hero but felt the guys who didn't make it back were the real heroes. One of them, Mr. Don Jenkins, when referred to at Ft Campbell as a hero stated "You want to see a hero?, go to Arlington or any of the vet cemeteries. Those are the heroes"

Response by SGT Eric Knutson made May 27 at 2017 12:02 AM

SGT Eric Knutson — Sat, 27 May 2017 00:02:30 -0400

2 primary reasons, most common is as stated, they were going to be (or were already) medically retired due to injuries sustained. The other is (as I understand it from a WW2 vet who knew a few) is that even if they were still fit for duty, Washington would not allow them back into combat and risk getting killed again. (Bad for publicity he explained to me) When in actuality, many of the ones he knew, wanted nothing more than to return to their units and help finish the fight.

Response by SGT Stephen George made May 27 at 2017 1:26 AM

SGT Stephen George — Sat, 27 May 2017 01:26:36 -0400

It's bad for troop moral if they become POW/MIA/KIA status ...and become a propaganda tool for the enemy in afore said circumstance should occur.

Response by SPC Jonathan Scott made May 27 at 2017 8:30 AM

SPC Jonathan Scott — Sat, 27 May 2017 08:30:28 -0400

Not to mention having to explain to officer they have to salute them not the other way around

Response by SPC Todd Hanson made May 27 at 2017 9:04 AM

SPC Todd Hanson — Sat, 27 May 2017 09:04:16 -0400

MAJ William Swenson came back to active duty after he got the MoH

Response by SSG Phil Harp made May 27 at 2017 11:30 AM

SSG Phil Harp — Sat, 27 May 2017 11:30:50 -0400

I think many find they have threat of Congress and Veterans groups. They can basically lobby and provide guidance in an advisory capacity, if the experience didn't leave them overly traumatized. Others just want to be left alone and try to live normal lives, placing the experience behind, but never forgetting their brothers and sisters in arms. Just my speculation from what I've seen over the years.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2017 12:13 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 27 May 2017 12:13:21 -0400

It gets difficult to continue to work, carrying around such big balls.

Response by Cpl Chuck Mosley made May 27 at 2017 12:29 PM

Cpl Chuck Mosley — Sat, 27 May 2017 12:29:25 -0400

Col Wesley Foxx stayed on active duty recieved MOH as a 1st Lt and stayed through Col

Response by TSgt Robert Allen made May 27 at 2017 1:15 PM

TSgt Robert Allen — Sat, 27 May 2017 13:15:29 -0400

For many of the recipients, the means by which they earned the medal may preclude them from further military service.

Response by SSG Steven Cody made May 27 at 2017 1:32 PM

SSG Steven Cody — Sat, 27 May 2017 13:32:53 -0400

I know GWOT MOH recipients. One in particular, realty had a hard time adjusting to the attention. He just wanted to be left alone. Deleted his FB, withdrew from the public eye for a while. He's back now and doing well, he just needed some time to get his sh*t together with everything that happened in his life.

Response by CAPT James McClure made May 27 at 2017 3:38 PM

CAPT James McClure — Sat, 27 May 2017 15:38:23 -0400

Richard McCool earned his MOH as a naval officer in the Okinawa campaign in WWII. When I met him briefly in 1967, he was commanding the Fleet Home Town News Center at Great Lakes. People treated him as just another Navy captain until they noticed the ribbon. .

Response by Cpl Kent Mitchell made May 27 at 2017 6:27 PM

Cpl Kent Mitchell — Sat, 27 May 2017 18:27:43 -0400

John Basilone didn't retire. He was killed on Iwo Jima. Marine General David Shoup didn't retire and went on to be Commandant. General Ray Davis didn't retire after getting the Medal in Korea and went on to command in Vietnam. Maybe Marines don't retire after they get the medal.

Response by MSgt B Bell made May 27 at 2017 9:49 PM

MSgt B Bell — Sat, 27 May 2017 21:49:59 -0400

It's pretty simple so just think about it. After the Gulf War, I was presented the Bronze Star and was a SSgt and one of my Marines who earned a Navy Com w V were at a CAX and the Infantry Plt Cmdr tried to tell my Sgt how to conduct an In Stride Minefield Breach. Mind you, my Sgt had conduct over 100 in training with live Line Charges (MICLIC) and this boot Lt. just got out of OCS. So in front of his Chain of Command and his NCO's, I not only chewed his ass for not listening, I told him what the fuck was going to happen and to shut his mouth. Didn't sit well with anyone but I was right. Can you imagine an asshole like me as a Sgt. who chews ass all day? Who is going to tell him to shut the fuck up? No one.

Response by PO2 John Reardon made May 27 at 2017 10:08 PM

PO2 John Reardon — Sat, 27 May 2017 22:08:55 -0400

I think it might be guilt.... so many died to get the MOH.. they are still alive

Response by GySgt Edward Palmer made May 27 at 2017 11:37 PM

GySgt Edward Palmer — Sat, 27 May 2017 23:37:12 -0400

Don't know, however i had the pleasure of serving under two MOH recepiants. Both were incredibly humble , and an inspiration to all. Col Livingston retired as a LTGen. And Col Fox as a colonel after 43 years of active duty. GySgt Pruitt retired as a MSgt after twenty plus years. SgtMaj Kellogg had twenty plus years. So I think it is something very personal with each Marine, and the severity of their wounds.

Response by SSG Brian G. made May 28 at 2017 1:04 AM

SSG Brian G. — Sun, 28 May 2017 01:04:22 -0400

Most who go into military service fall into one or more of several categories. Now understand this is based upon many candid conversations with troops of various branches that I came into contact with over the years.
1) They had nothing better at the time/did it for the College fund.
2) It was a family thing. IE my father served, my grandfather et., so it's my turn.
3) It was either this or jail.
4) Patriotism. IE After 9/11
5) A stepping stone to a better career and opportunities.

Some will serve their initial enlistment tour and get out. They realize that the military is not for them or they achieved their goal, whether that be saving some money or having the College Fund so they can now go on to college. Some will have started out on that route but realized that they either liked the military or were good at it and that they can go to college etc while they are serving.

620+ presentations of the MoH have been posthumous. The rest I suspect are a mix. It's not that people get out after they receive it. More likely it is that they are already out and have been out some time when they finally do receive it. It takes time for these things to flow through a chain of command and if it happens to be after a certain time it requires approval of Congress. Red Tape only knows one speed: slow.

As to why a MoH recipient would get out early rather than complete their 20? I can only speculate based upon my own experience. No, I was not, nor am I a MoH winner but I was with the Rangers when we took Panama thus eligible to wear my Units Crest as a combat patch upon PCS. I cannot count the number of times I got asked by soldiers that did not have combat experience the usual bevy of near pointless questions. You get tired of answering them almost day in and day out. I suspect that the questions get tedious to the MoH recipient who already feels as if they really did not earn the award. They, in their minds, just did their jobs, nothing more, nothing less.

Just my 2 cents.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2017 6:13 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 May 2017 06:13:38 -0400

No clue why an MOH would choose to get out. Although I see a lot of comments that many was not career minded. Which brings up a few of question 1. How many of us went to that recruiting station saying I am joining and going to stay 20 years. I would wager it was very few. If you are a leader the next question is 2. Why do your Soldiers truly leave the service? If you are not truly trying to find the answer to this it leads to the final question. Are you truly leading?

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made May 28 at 2017 9:12 AM

MSgt Wayne Morris — Sun, 28 May 2017 09:12:25 -0400

Too much money to be made on the Rubber Chicken circuit.

Response by MSG Ronald McEwan made May 28 at 2017 9:40 AM

MSG Ronald McEwan — Sun, 28 May 2017 09:40:58 -0400

There are a lot more MoH, they just didn't get the write up to receive it. The ones I served with never mentioned it, I learned about them by second hand info. The ones I know never thought of themselves as heroes. Like most vets we rather try to forget those moments. I think that most of us would react in the same way as these warrior's if we were put in the same position. They should and deserve all they get. Many of the award winners received the award early in their service, and they were not intending to make a career out of the service in the first place.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2017 11:48 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 May 2017 11:48:46 -0400

In the fashion of a joke from Terminal Lance or Duffle Blog,

They get out to have time for all the high fives, free beers, and women that want to occupy their time.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2017 12:00 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 May 2017 12:00:40 -0400

I read somewhere a lot of units don't want to have a medal of honor winner in it, mainly because every big shot that comes to that post wants to come to that unit and meet the Medal of Honor winner

Response by SGT John Kerins made May 28 at 2017 4:45 PM

SGT John Kerins — Sun, 28 May 2017 16:45:34 -0400

Jim Bondsteel MOH 1970 stayed in Keith Ware MOH WWII was KIAed in Vietnam

Response by Cpl Jubal Hershaw made May 28 at 2017 10:21 PM

Cpl Jubal Hershaw — Sun, 28 May 2017 22:21:36 -0400

Usually it's because the person awarded the MoH died while doing the thing that earned them the MoH.
Only recently have MoH awardees had access to medical treatment that allowed them to survive what would have been fatal in the past.

Response by LCDR Buddy Knight made May 28 at 2017 11:51 PM

LCDR Buddy Knight — Sun, 28 May 2017 23:51:39 -0400

I agree with much that's been posted, but I would also imagine that it is tough on the families, too. The MOH recipient might not want to expose the spouse and kids to all the on-base notoriety, or may not want to keep moving every 3-4 years. The famiiy may be subject to stuff like this: "YOUR DAD has the MOH?" "What's it like being married to such a hero?" and more....

Response by MSgt Donald Chatterton made May 29 at 2017 3:16 AM

MSgt Donald Chatterton — Mon, 29 May 2017 03:16:05 -0400

Most have injuries that preclude their continued service

Response by PVT Raymond Lopez made May 29 at 2017 9:32 AM

PVT Raymond Lopez — Mon, 29 May 2017 09:32:52 -0400

Why do Medal of Honor recipients leave the military shortly after? In my experience that is not always true I have known four of them and they continued to serve for many years to served they were awarded the Medal of Honor even going back to Vietnam for more tours.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 11:20 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 11:20:29 -0400

Actually I had a SgtMaj in the Marine Corps who retired with a CHM in the 80's.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 1:11 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 13:11:44 -0400

Met two in Afghanistan

Response by PO1 Kevin VonMoses made May 29 at 2017 2:12 PM

PO1 Kevin VonMoses — Mon, 29 May 2017 14:12:41 -0400

I was returned to the AirWing after being woundedbad enough to stop me from jumping...

The first inspection after getting dressed, it occurred to me that none of the AirWingers had the 'opportunity' I had, and would probably think I had bought the gedunk at the Exchange.

For the next three years all they ever saw was a National Defense and Good Conduct...

The only person who knew or needed to know was my Skipper.

I damned sure didn't need or want to make explanations to anyone.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 3:03 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 15:03:49 -0400

Officer don't want to salute them?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 5:20 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 17:20:56 -0400

My great great Grandfather didn't. He recieved his for his actions in 1879 as a Lieutenant against Victorio. He served from 1877–1891, 1898–1899 (Army)
1899–1905 (National Guard). He died in 1936.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made May 29 at 2017 7:55 PM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Mon, 29 May 2017 19:55:30 -0400

It's probably that "rock-star" instant fame...probably too complicated.

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made May 29 at 2017 7:56 PM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Mon, 29 May 2017 19:56:47 -0400

It's probably that "rock-star" instant fame...probably too complicated.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2017 8:36 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 May 2017 20:36:31 -0400

Life is never the same for them afterwards. Some never intended to stay in. Some are badly wounded. Most receive it posthumously. They all faced death down, some lived and most didn't. I just finished "The Operator" written by Robert J. O'Neil. He was the guy that shot UBL from that Seal Team ( ) and it's a good read. He was also on the Captain Phillips rescue mission and referred to the pressures that one of the snipers on that mission experienced later. He later experienced the same. It's not the same as MOH but is the same principle. For the MOH guys it's a lot of unwanted spotlighting and dog and pony shows. GySgt John Basilone, USMC received the MOH for his actions on Guadalcanal. He was snatched up as a trophy for the War Bond campaigns when all he wanted to do was serve as a Marine in combat. Although he appreciated the admiration, he felt out of place and requested to return to the operating forces fighting the war. The Marine Corps denied his request and told him he was needed more on the home front. He was offered a commission, which he turned down, and was later offered an assignment as an instructor, but refused this as well. He requested again to return to the war and this time the request was approved. He was later killed on Iwo Jima after finally getting his wish to return to those in battle, and posthumously received the Navy Cross. For the two SEALs I refer to it was a lot of jealousy, peer pressure, and almost resentment. O''Neil had other reasons such as his family, but he separated with 17 years in. I'd have to guess he could have had any assignment he wanted and been promoted until retirement, but he chose not to. Sometimes a guy just wants to serve and be treated like everyone else. It's easy from the sidelines to think they would have it made for as long as they wanted to stay in, but without experiencing it I can't say. They likely remember all they have served with that didn't survive, and being in the spotlight is just too much. Even though they don't want all the attention, they still get it. That must cause feelings of guilt internally and resentment by others. They are almost accused of grandstanding no matter how humble they may be. Self-actualization is at the top of the pyramid of human needs and that's hard to achieve when you're constantly being second-guessed behind your back. How can one feel they've been successful when others have their doubts? Whether their peers say anything or not it's very real to the one it's happening to.

Response by LTC Thomas Rumsey made May 29 at 2017 9:13 PM

LTC Thomas Rumsey — Mon, 29 May 2017 21:13:47 -0400

They don't all retire.

Response by CPO Kenneth Wilkinson made May 29 at 2017 10:21 PM

CPO Kenneth Wilkinson — Mon, 29 May 2017 22:21:47 -0400

All I can say is that I respect any Medal of Honor winner. They may be like anyone else but they have gone further in combat than any soldier. From my perspective, One who has never been in Combat, US Navy, I really do not know what Combat is like.

Response by PO1 James Crowell made May 30 at 2017 8:51 AM

PO1 James Crowell — Tue, 30 May 2017 08:51:50 -0400

Interesting conversation but I've always said "If you don't have the answers ask someone who does. So in that vein I'd take my own advise and say. ASK a MoH recipient.
Seems like a logical solution.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2017 1:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 May 2017 13:08:23 -0400

I met Col. Wesley Fox when I was on active duty in 86 or 87. He earned his in Vietnam and served many years after that. Not sure why some retire immediately after and some don't.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made May 30 at 2017 3:03 PM

MSG Michael McEleney — Tue, 30 May 2017 15:03:24 -0400

The processing time from act to Award is very complicated compared with earlier years. From his unit collecting witnesses, through every level of command ( including both NATO and CENTCOM). The process was much less complicated and issuance authority was vested in the theater commanders. There was even a case of an award being approved and awarded within 24 hours (TSgt Red Erwin)

Response by MSG William McDonald made May 30 at 2017 4:10 PM

MSG William McDonald — Tue, 30 May 2017 16:10:54 -0400

Not all retire. I worked for then Gunnery Sergeant Richard A. Pittman. CMH winner from Vietnam Nam

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2017 4:44 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 May 2017 16:44:54 -0400

Not sure but the fact that it's extremely rare these days for someone still alive to receive the MOH might play a factor. Not sure on this at all just putting out a thought. But the DOD might give a Medal of Honor recipient the option or recommendation of an early out because one how rare it is to get the award and be alive and two it could make for really bad press for someone to receive the MOH and then die later on in combat. DOD might just be saying hey he's lucky to be alive he shouldn't have to put his life at risk anymore he's earned a long happy life. Again I'm not sure at all but it's just an idea I thought I'd put out there

Response by PO3 Douglas Paugh made May 30 at 2017 6:53 PM

PO3 Douglas Paugh — Tue, 30 May 2017 18:53:27 -0400

Gunnery Sergeant John T. Basilone

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 30 at 2017 7:58 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 30 May 2017 19:58:28 -0400

Captain Swenson, previously of the 10th Mountain, quietly returned to active service after receiving his after he was already out. Have to respect the hell out of the guy for that!

Response by LCpl Cleve Reeves made May 30 at 2017 9:52 PM

LCpl Cleve Reeves — Tue, 30 May 2017 21:52:25 -0400

Gunny Highway didn't retire, just kidding. I have never thought about that, but I'm curious about this. Are they forced to retire and if so when did that start. As my Marine brothers will know, we have had to of our own win it twice if my memory of boot camp knowledge serves me correctly. Dan Daly and Smedley Butler? Help me out Devil Dogs. Semper Fi.

Response by Maj David Robb made May 30 at 2017 10:40 PM

Maj David Robb — Tue, 30 May 2017 22:40:57 -0400

Actually, I knew Frank Miller four years after he was awarded the MOH, and he continued on active duty for several years.

Response by PO1 Lonny Barrett made May 31 at 2017 9:43 AM

PO1 Lonny Barrett — Wed, 31 May 2017 09:43:52 -0400

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2017 11:56 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 31 May 2017 11:56:44 -0400

Note: No one "wins" a Medal of Honor. They are awarded it. It's not a competition. No one says they "won" any other award I don't get why people say that about the MoH.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2017 12:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 31 May 2017 12:05:29 -0400

I am honored and privileged to have known, served with and been friends with a few CMH recipients that stayed in and retired, Jon Caviani, COL Howard, Roy Benavidez and have met a couple of others.
COL Howard was my CDR when I went through the SFQC. Simply put, he was harder than wood pecker lips. He was what all SF guys should strive to be.
I think in many instances, it is because of the severity of injuries and they are not able to recover enough to continue on active duty. Roy was an exception. When he earned his, he had something like 38 wounds. It amazes me that he lived much less stayed on active duty. I think his sense of humor helped him a lot. He was frickin hilarious once you got to know him.

Response by SSG Alex Jones made May 31 at 2017 9:46 PM

SSG Alex Jones — Wed, 31 May 2017 21:46:32 -0400

Medal of Honor recipients deserve to retire simply for receiving the elite award

Response by Sgt Doug Wetta made Jun 1 at 2017 2:55 AM

Sgt Doug Wetta — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 02:55:13 -0400

Why don't they finish? Do you realize what it takes to get the MoH. It takes a special kind of hell to put that medal on.

Response by Robert Baize made Jun 1 at 2017 12:47 PM

Robert Baize — Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:47:28 -0400

In that even the President must salute a MoH recipient the individual would not have a superior.

Response by SPC Tim Cosgrove made Jun 2 at 2017 10:33 PM

SPC Tim Cosgrove — Fri, 02 Jun 2017 22:33:45 -0400

I saw this article on FB and was curious as to why the MOH recipients left shortly after .

Response by SGT William Flowers Sr. made Jun 3 at 2017 9:06 AM

SGT William Flowers Sr. — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 09:06:27 -0400

Another reason is because of john basilone getting kia on iwo jima

Response by Julie Pittman Johnson made Jun 3 at 2017 9:49 AM

Julie Pittman Johnson — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 09:49:30 -0400

Actually, one of the biggest reasons is security. MOH recipients are on the top 25 list of targets from foreign enemies. Looking at this from a prospective of some "other" areas...their beliefs only see those who die in service to the cause as martyrs and heroes. Whereas America recognizes and decorates living people as "heroes." If you have ever been to an event where recipients are present, you'll notice US Secret Service, FBI, or other contract security is present. Additionally, not all of them retire. My dad served for 20+ years after he was decorated, even did another tour or two in Japan. It is a decision that is, most of the time, made 100% by the recipient. - Semper Fi

Response by Julie Pittman Johnson made Jun 3 at 2017 9:53 AM

Julie Pittman Johnson — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 09:53:55 -0400

P. S. Their dependants also are not "automatically approved for attendance at military academies." They CAN be congressionally appointed, but they still go into a pool for that, and have to meet minimum GPA requirements, etc.

Response by SPC Allen Schott made Jun 3 at 2017 12:21 PM

SPC Allen Schott — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 12:21:13 -0400

Retirement pay and benefits are already in place. No need to continue to full retirement. They already have served their country well and in most cases, partially or fully disabled.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2017 1:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Jun 2017 13:32:17 -0400

My current battalion has a MoH recipient that's still actively serving (CPT William D. Swenson), so it isn't like it's everyone that gets out after receiving the award

Response by SSG Michael Raysses made Jun 4 at 2017 8:59 AM

SSG Michael Raysses — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 08:59:38 -0400

Understanding that this particular award Is very personal.... I'm not sure WHY military members would leave before retirement.... because TECHNICALLY?....you didn't RETIRE..... you QUIT.....and got out...good for you..... but the bullshit of getting XTRA PERKS? After receiving this particular award?.... is like I said..... BULLSHIT!!!..... I know of two people who are both SS/BS AWARD WINNERS..... And they don't get anything extra!.... so.... let's stop with all the hype behind this award, and let it be known we serve for honor.... not medals or money....HOOAH?....

Response by LCDR Howard Tillison made Jun 4 at 2017 10:17 PM

LCDR Howard Tillison — Sun, 04 Jun 2017 22:17:48 -0400

Navy Lieutenant Clyde Lassen, a H-2 helicopter pilot, received the MOH for the rescue of two downed aviators under fire in Viet Nam. He served the rest of a 20 year career and retired as a Commander (O-5).

I think that most recipients are gravely wounded performing the act of valor which merits the award, and retirement may be due to the effects of their physical injuries.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jun 5 at 2017 10:07 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 10:07:25 -0400

I don't think there is a direct cause-and-effect relationship between service members receiving the MOH and leaving active duty. A service member who performed an act of exceptional heroism may have been wounded seriously. In these cases, medical retirement may have led them into civilian life. Sometimes they simply reached the end of their enlistment and decided they had enough--perhaps for family reasons. Later they are approved for the MOH and put the uniform on one more time to receive the medal. I'll do some research and look at the numbers when I have a chance.

Response by Cpl Chris Gianunzio made Jun 5 at 2017 10:46 AM

Cpl Chris Gianunzio — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 10:46:15 -0400

My regimental Sgt Major was Alan J Kellogg MOH recipient, 3rd Marines Kaneohe Bay, Hi. He did 30 years. I never met anyone so motivated, a true american badass.

Response by 1SG Douglas Gooden made Jun 5 at 2017 11:11 AM

1SG Douglas Gooden — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:11:44 -0400

If you're not disabled getting it; if you were in a "Hot LZ" knowing you were going to die but didn't. The psychological PTSD makes you unfit to serve.

Response by 1SG Douglas Gooden made Jun 5 at 2017 11:16 AM

1SG Douglas Gooden — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:16:35 -0400

In the Russian Army huh' feeling that way you need to get out! Plus, back up to the teller every time you get ready to withdrawn your MOH pay because you didn't deserve it!

Response by PO2 Carlos Sclavo Orozco made Jun 5 at 2017 1:27 PM

PO2 Carlos Sclavo Orozco — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 13:27:21 -0400

For starters great loss accompanies that great honor. In this modern day where a Facebook post can cause PTSD, these gentlemen and women, stare down the face of a wildly horrific animal, that doesn't come at you with dirty photos or harsh words. They are facing people who have sworn an oath to destroy and dismantle any system of life that is not their own. Weather by bombing, expenditure of armament, or the insurance and hostile occupation of territories. They fight to keep this line from crossing onto their homelands. They sacrifice for every other volunteer with them, and then they go 100% above and beyond the call to duty and their obligation if self to enter their variable to the equation. We send them home because it is unethical to not tend the needs of the trauma that results. Most of these recipients of MoH watched the loss of numbers of people before their actions.

God Bless
Thank You

Response by SP5 Jeffrey Powell made Jun 5 at 2017 5:59 PM

SP5 Jeffrey Powell — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 17:59:30 -0400

Should get more

Response by SGT Ian Nuckols made Jun 5 at 2017 8:28 PM

SGT Ian Nuckols — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 20:28:29 -0400

Because most have the ultimate sacrifice! If not then they were best up pretty bad and in my opinion anyone that received the MOH shouldn't have to work for the rest of there life!

Response by SCPO Dennis Anderson made Jun 6 at 2017 7:10 PM

SCPO Dennis Anderson — Tue, 06 Jun 2017 19:10:02 -0400

Because they can!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2017 2:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:05:43 -0400

I am sure that many individuals who receive the Medal of Honor are not keen to the spotlight. If they are lucky enough to still be alive after receiving the award, it is more than likely that members of their unit or team lost their life during the incident. Having to take all of the credit for a mission or event while other members of your team lost their life would be tough on anyone.

Response by PVT Reyferd Rodriguez made Jun 8 at 2017 5:07 AM

PVT Reyferd Rodriguez — Thu, 08 Jun 2017 05:07:26 -0400

We should give them Pro athletes pay if you ask me

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 8 at 2017 4:53 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Jun 2017 16:53:31 -0400

Cheesey movie, but it gets right to the point of MoH recipients: Heartbreak Ridge. I think that is why a lot retire.

Response by Sgt Joseph Gorini made Jun 9 at 2017 7:51 AM

Sgt Joseph Gorini — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 07:51:49 -0400

If true now wasn't always true. Several MOH recipients have been awarded the medal twice!

Response by Kenneth Bedwell made Jun 9 at 2017 10:50 AM

Kenneth Bedwell — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 10:50:33 -0400

Could it also be the experience of Gunny Basilone where he went back into combat after receiving the MoH and then died in the fighting on Iwo Jima? He was awarded more medals for his actions on the beach that day but it was still a blow to morale.

Response by Sgt Albert Copeland made Jun 9 at 2017 6:13 PM

Sgt Albert Copeland — Fri, 09 Jun 2017 18:13:53 -0400

How could Americans explain that an MOH recipient died in combat after they already recieved the medal. That would not look good.

Response by SN Terry Evans made Jun 10 at 2017 2:41 AM

SN Terry Evans — Sat, 10 Jun 2017 02:41:02 -0400

They have served our country well ,don't need to carry on more than already exhibited !

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2017 6:17 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 10 Jun 2017 06:17:55 -0400

I have shaken the hands of 3 MOHs to include the one that Forrest Gump's heroics were taken from.

MOHs literally did something where they died or they should have died. What they did was always worth a movie to be made after. Is the type of stuff that you say to yourself: this guy/gal didn't think about self and was all for his/her people and never looked back for a second. They made the type of the decision that they realized they were going to die for someone else and they thought it was well worth it.
When they survived I can see where that leaves a mark and most likely a new found value in the time they have with their family and coming back home.

I don't wish an scenario worth of a MOH to anybody. I can totally see where after such a tragic event you want to enjoy every second with your loved ones and be as far away from anything that might put you back in harm's way.

Response by SSgt John-Charles Deary made Jun 10 at 2017 8:31 AM

SSgt John-Charles Deary — Sat, 10 Jun 2017 08:31:59 -0400

Forest Gump is national treasure, watch your mouth young man LMFAO

Response by PO3 Craig Warren made Jun 10 at 2017 6:22 PM

PO3 Craig Warren — Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:22:23 -0400

They leave service due to being photographed. Esp our enemies see the faces and they probably offer a bounty on them..

Response by Amn Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2017 12:03 PM

Amn Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:03:09 -0400

Probably aren't interested in fame just did what was right

Response by CPT Robert Holden made Jun 12 at 2017 1:12 AM

CPT Robert Holden — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:12:42 -0400

My opinion is that many MOH recepients are wounded or at the very least gone through a very tramatic event. So they natuarallly want to leave the military and get on with their lives.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2017 8:29 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:29:33 -0400

It all becomes political, after the award is presented.

Response by SP5 Rod Clark made Jun 12 at 2017 11:35 AM

SP5 Rod Clark — Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:35:21 -0400

Correct me if I'm wrong on this but the last MoH recipient to die in combat AFTER receiving the award was John Basiglione of the Marines. After recovering from the wounds he got in winning the MoH he volunteered to return to combat. IMHO I think if a man who wins the MoH wants to return to combat and is still combat effective then they should be allowed to do so. I think the overall morale and the esprit de corp of the men would be enhanced significantly.

Response by Cpl Justin Jackson made Jun 14 at 2017 1:33 PM

Cpl Justin Jackson — Wed, 14 Jun 2017 13:33:40 -0400

Well aside from majority receiving it postumously, I can only speculate that beyond psychology due to exposure to trauma that a good portion has to do with where ever they go in the military afterwards that they aren't treated the same as everyone else in the formation that there would be a God like standard that they would be held to and basically choose to finish on top at a high point than to receive and make a mistake later and finish on a low point

Response by SSgt Terry McKee made Jun 14 at 2017 3:43 PM

SSgt Terry McKee — Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:43:19 -0400

When did this start? There were cases of vets with the CMH continuing to serve... Just curious when (or if) this became "normal"...

Response by Ryan Breneman made Jun 14 at 2017 7:37 PM

Ryan Breneman — Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:37:18 -0400

Many reasons i' m sure.not being able to deploy again would probably have a lot to do with it.also different treatment from their peers maybe.survivors guilt possibly.

Response by SGM Gerald Fife made Jun 15 at 2017 10:21 AM

SGM Gerald Fife — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:21:12 -0400

I believe that everyone
will be looking at him/her to see if they react or do the same thing again. I think we just look at that MOH recipient a little different. I was acquaintance of MSG Roy Benevidez.

Response by SPC Jose Diaz made Jun 15 at 2017 5:27 PM

SPC Jose Diaz — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:27:04 -0400

He just just got a medal of honor I think you have done enough for your country

Response by Rich Puzzo made Jun 15 at 2017 9:20 PM

Rich Puzzo — Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:20:54 -0400

John Basolone received the MOH for his heroism on Guadal Canal. He work forvthe USO during the war on bond drives. He eventually returned to combat duty and lost his life on Iwo Jima. He was decorated a second time for heroism with the Navy Cross. A true American hero who trained troops for service on Iwo and died. God Blesshis memory.

Response by Cpl William Abel made Jun 16 at 2017 9:43 AM

Cpl William Abel — Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:43:53 -0400

I would believe that surviving recipients most likely are injured and cannot continue active duty. Usually the award is given post humous.

Response by PO2 Jeff Lynch made Jun 17 at 2017 10:19 PM

PO2 Jeff Lynch — Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:19:22 -0400

This is not always true before the Coast Guard that served in the army. The commanding officer at Camp McCall which was part of special forces training was a Medal of Honor recipient at the time he was a major his last name was Howard. He stayed in and went on to serve his country until retirement. He was a great leader an incredible man.

Response by SSG Shane Clark made Jun 18 at 2017 6:44 AM

SSG Shane Clark — Sun, 18 Jun 2017 06:44:19 -0400

If I had received one, I don't think I would be able to serve anymore because in mean cases not all survive the attack and I would feel guilty that I did and now they are giving me the Medal of Honor for not doing a good enough job to ensure that everyone made it, but that is just my feeling

Response by Sgt Kenneth Earl made Jun 20 at 2017 9:29 PM

Sgt Kenneth Earl — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:29:54 -0400

Probably the "Basilone affect," as I call it. The Nation doesn't want those who went "Above and beyond," to put their units in danger. Bounties and such. Just my opinion.

Response by SGT John Meredith made Jun 22 at 2017 10:58 PM

SGT John Meredith — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:58:27 -0400

He deserves so much more than what he received.He should have been promoted to at least two higher grades.He lived to receive what others have died for.

Response by PFC Don Woods made Jun 23 at 2017 9:40 AM

PFC Don Woods — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:40:41 -0400

Probably they want to ensure that men like Marine MoH/ Navy Cross winner John Basilone do not die in future combat

Response by SFC Robert Bailey made Jun 23 at 2017 1:29 PM

SFC Robert Bailey — Fri, 23 Jun 2017 13:29:01 -0400

Because they make more money retiring then they would staying active !!!!

Response by MSG Michael McKenzie made Jun 24 at 2017 10:55 AM

MSG Michael McKenzie — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:55:31 -0400

As many people have stated in this thread, you take a warrior (male or female) out of the fight and make them a spectacle. I have made the privilege to talk to two MoH awardees and both stated that other people deserved the award more then they did. Additionally, life in the spotlight is harsh. How would you respond to reliving the worst time in your life day after day? How would you react to a populace that is grateful, but ultimately does not understand why you would put yourself in harms way? I understand the military needs people to share "the story", but most service members save those stories for people who understand and have been there. I imagine for a MoH awardee, this is magnified. And really, what service member wants to be a show pony?

Response by SFC Thomas Gentry Jr. made Jun 24 at 2017 11:18 PM

SFC Thomas Gentry Jr. — Sat, 24 Jun 2017 23:18:29 -0400

I agree on the poster boy answer. Drill Sergeant of the year ruined my last 6 months. I felt like I was in a dog and pony show.

Response by SPC Casey Ashfield made Jun 25 at 2017 4:04 PM

SPC Casey Ashfield — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:13 -0400

Also consider that they likely received severe injuries during their MOH event that would make continued service difficult.

For what it is worth, one of the MOH recipients I had the pleasure of meeting received the award in 1968 and didn't leave the Army until 1982.

Response by SPC Dan Sipes made Jun 25 at 2017 11:34 PM

SPC Dan Sipes — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 23:34:55 -0400

to avoid the spotlight

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2017 7:18 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:18:19 -0400

most of the time its because their wounds would take them out of the service, plus all of the norms go out the window.

Response by SPC Scott Woodward made Jun 26 at 2017 4:59 PM

SPC Scott Woodward — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:59:37 -0400

Everyone is different. Military service is full of different stress factors in addition to combat. And the military does have any help for PTSD . The military I came from, ignored it ." Sounds like a personal problem to me." Suck it up troop!! And we are sent back to the world. With self medication, as the most common treatment. And a lot of solders stay in to avoid the transition. Or reenter after a short stint in the civies. Ya know we always called it the "the real world" but it's not.

Response by LTC James Washington made Jun 27 at 2017 3:53 PM

LTC James Washington — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:53:06 -0400

Hmm The MOH recipients I know personally did a full career 2 AD - 1 NG. The one who did NG did 30 I think.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2017 5:07 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:07:51 -0400

They probably are either medically retired due to wounds received in combat or the PTSD, survivors guilt etc is to hard to deal with.

Response by Maj Mike Wifler made Jun 27 at 2017 6:53 PM

Maj Mike Wifler — Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:53:00 -0400

Although my service in the assignment branh of USMC Headquarters is dated, there was no mandatory requirement to retire. Often MofH recipients suffer grievious wounds and eligible for medical rstirement. In 1971 there was no restriction to sending MofH recipients back to RVN for additional service. This caused such a ruckus when one was issued orders that further combat service had to be voluntary and signed off by the head of enlisted assignments. Every conflict has produced heroic acts worthy of the Medal of Honor that don't get recommended due to political correctness and some still do not get approved for minority service members. Those that do get approved are certainly worthy and if retirement is an option they seek should be granted with full military honors.

Response by SGT Brian Smith made Jul 27 at 2017 10:48 AM

SGT Brian Smith — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:48:03 -0400

because maybe they are just done after going thru everything they had gone thru to earn the MOH

Response by LTC Dan Murdock made Jul 27 at 2017 11:42 AM

LTC Dan Murdock — Thu, 27 Jul 2017 11:42:38 -0400

The medical issue is probably the big reason. There is no basis in the comment that they can't be deployed if medically fit. I had the pleasure of serving with SSG John Cavainni long after he received his medal and one of my commanding generals was LTG Foley, so yes , they can deploy. I had the honor of helping to host Nashville Salutes to Medal of Honor Recipients a few years ago. A very humbling experience. Most of the 35 present who did not finish a carreer were medically retire. Some were just ready to move on.

Response by Jay Lott made Jul 28 at 2017 7:19 AM

Jay Lott — Fri, 28 Jul 2017 07:19:36 -0400

Douglas MacArthur stayed in after his MPH.

Just sayin'

Response by SCPO John Worth made Jul 29 at 2017 12:01 AM

SCPO John Worth — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 00:01:02 -0400

John Basilone won he Medal of Honor on Guadalcanal during WWII. After touring the US to raise money for the war effort. he requested reassignment to a combat unit. He was killed on Iwo Jima, and awarded the Navy Cross posthumously.

Response by MSG David Stone Sr. made Jul 29 at 2017 11:51 PM

MSG David Stone Sr. — Sat, 29 Jul 2017 23:51:03 -0400

Not so!

Response by PO3 Ian Favata made Jul 31 at 2017 2:45 PM

PO3 Ian Favata — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:45:38 -0400

I think that our brothers and sisters who earn this honor whether it is belatedly awarded either to living recipients or posthumously awarded are incredible. They embody American exceptionalism in its purest form. We should all be humbled by the sacrifices and selfless bravery they showed. God bless these fine people and God bless all service members who gave their lives for our freedom! I am truly grateful.

Response by Sgt Sam Wendorff made Jul 31 at 2017 10:36 PM

Sgt Sam Wendorff — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 22:36:52 -0400

They receive far more money doing conferences and campaigns than the money that the military provides. Secondly they get discharged with full medical discharge which means they can no longer actively serve. They earned it for the act of valor.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2017 12:50 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Aug 2017 12:50:01 -0400

I imagine it's because they're no longer allowed to do their jobs, and instead are flown around for PR reasons more often than not. I sure as hell didn't join to become some spokesperson; that's what generals are for when they're testifying in Congress or taping the same ol' various generic annual messages for the troops. Plus, there's the perks that come with being a MoH awardee, which, when taking all of the mandatory PR stuff into account, would probably make simply getting out that much more enticing.

Response by SGT James Murphy made Aug 2 at 2017 6:03 PM

SGT James Murphy — Wed, 02 Aug 2017 18:03:58 -0400

Most of them were wounded severely so there's THAT!

Response by SPC Wesley Merritt made Aug 5 at 2017 10:44 PM

SPC Wesley Merritt — Sat, 05 Aug 2017 22:44:44 -0400

Isn't this the one award even the president has to salute you in passing?

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2017 7:20 AM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Aug 2017 07:20:21 -0400

A while ago while I attended the Naval Academy, someone told me that it was because if they stayed in service and got captured or killed, it would look bad on the US. Morale among the citizens would fall and our enemies would show-boat it forever. I think either a Medal of Honor recipient or professor who spoke with another told me that.

Response by Col Neil Schuehle made Aug 13 at 2017 7:11 AM

Col Neil Schuehle — Sun, 13 Aug 2017 07:11:56 -0400

A). not many live through the event. B) some are critically wounded.

Of the others, a surprising number stay. Both enlisted and officer the Marine Corps has a number of MOH that stayed well past 20 years. Barnum, Livingston, Pittman. Stockdale (Navy), several Army I can think of.
Not sure the question is accurate in its observation.

Cheers, Neil

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2017 4:12 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:12:03 -0400

You become a paid advertisement for the Military. They put you on TDY status and then tour the Country, touting what happened to you and how you barely survived. It get olds after a while, especially when you want to return back to a normal life, free from all of the ignorance and military restrictions. Saw it happen to one of my patients, they just grow tired of it.

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Aug 18 at 2017 8:26 AM

MSG Loren Tomblin — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:26:41 -0400

Out four men I knew all were awarded the MOH posthumously (KIA). Maximo Yabes whom I served with, Franky Molinar, Ted Belcher (both friends), CPT Pitts served with. All were humble people. I wish they had survived.

Response by MSG Loren Tomblin made Aug 18 at 2017 5:12 PM

MSG Loren Tomblin — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 17:12:33 -0400

What troubles me most about this award is the witness provision. Having said this I think that those that receive it think about and survive are those that allowed them the opportunity to act on their behalf and cause them to move in such a heroic manner. They are all humble. There are so many that had no witness to their efforts and have never been recognized. I weep whenever I think of my friend 1SG Max Yabes and his family. Can you imagine those in WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam that never received recognition?

Response by SrA Gene Brown made Aug 19 at 2017 1:58 PM

SrA Gene Brown — Sat, 19 Aug 2017 13:58:45 -0400

That kind of injury is hard to come back from. Given that the odds of lightning striking twice in the same spot are astronomical, humans still tend to not chance it. Its happened once, the next time could be, would most probably be for the whole enchilada. Imho

Response by SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret made Aug 21 at 2017 6:37 PM

SFC Sfc Darwin Maring, USA Ret — Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:37:46 -0400

What I dont understand is why in most cases they wait until someone is over 70 before they give them the award.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Aug 23 at 2017 5:11 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:11:24 -0400

Probably because what was done to earn it messed them up both physically and mentally enough that they can't stay in.

Response by GySgt Dirk Flint made Aug 26 at 2017 9:54 AM

GySgt Dirk Flint — Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:54:53 -0400

Not all MOH Recipients retire after getting the award. I served with Viet Nam MOH Recipient GySgt A J Kellog who went on to retire as a SgtMaj of Marines!

Response by Walter Hefty made Aug 26 at 2017 9:17 PM

Walter Hefty — Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:17:21 -0400

In High School, my NJROTC senior instructor was Marine Colonel Robert Modrzejewski, a recipient of the MoH from his actions as a Captain during Operation Hastings in Vietnam.

He went on to the War College afterwards and commanded the barracks at 8th and I in the District of Criminals.

I'm certain that he is far from the only recipient of the Medal to continue his career after being awarded.

Response by SP5 Thomas Walker made Aug 28 at 2017 5:06 PM

SP5 Thomas Walker — Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:06:42 -0400

The MOH recipient is under a lot of stress, from senior enlisted and officers to portray the MOH in the best possible way. Many leave the service to avoid answering stupid questions and requirements.

Response by CPO Paul Hazard made Aug 28 at 2017 6:08 PM

CPO Paul Hazard — Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:08:42 -0400

A lot did, you just don't hear about them. Met two in my 26 years of service. Both ex-Army who had transferred to the Navy. Forgot their names but I remember one of them was a Postal Clerk in Charleston SC.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2017 5:09 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Sep 2017 05:09:45 -0400

Politics, remarks complete..

Response by SGT Eric Knutson made Sep 16 at 2017 3:49 PM

SGT Eric Knutson — Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:49:21 -0400

Well, I think in large part, the men who receive the MoH, are warriors to the core, (mostly, there are always exceptions), and as warriors, they want to be up with their guys, and since PIO's love to have "heros" to parade around, they try to drag them up for show and tell. The vast majority of grunts who I know from multiple eras want nothing to do with the Politicing at that level, so once they see they are not going anywhere else, and have been taken away from the people they ARE comfortable with, they would rather leave. DoD, Public Affairs, has a mistaken (my opinion) belief that it would be bad for morale to loose one of our top Hero's. whereas often times that may be the man who inspires those around them to go that extra mile to win the day. Very few have ever been able to get back to the lines once the MoH has been awarded, and from what I have read, they have only been able to do it by going AWOL and just showing up back at their units, because they just want to do their jobs. And that was WW2 - VietNam era when they could even get away with it anyway.

Response by MSgt Jim Bob made Sep 20 at 2017 6:43 PM

MSgt Jim Bob — Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:43:49 -0400

I don't think this is entirely accurate. John Bastalone returned to the operating forces after receiving the MOH for actions on Guadalcanal. He was also killed in action on IwoJima. I think it has more to do w/ the publicity, and the military parading them around.

Response by CPL Kevin Bright made Sep 24 at 2017 12:12 PM

CPL Kevin Bright — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 12:12:22 -0400

I think it's mostly due to the regulation that MoH winners must be saluted by all ranks. Again just my opinion.

Response by Gary Henry made Sep 24 at 2017 9:27 PM

Gary Henry — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:27:47 -0400

John Basilone didn't retire

Response by SSG Christopher Boyd made Sep 29 at 2017 2:13 PM

SSG Christopher Boyd — Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:13:18 -0400

Probably would be tired returning salutes to everyone, since your are MOH. You pretty much outrank everyone except MOH.

Response by SPC Ken Gulledge made Sep 30 at 2017 11:59 PM

SPC Ken Gulledge — Sat, 30 Sep 2017 23:59:09 -0400

I wish I knew that before, I tried Section 8 to get an early out!

Response by SFC Wade Adams made Oct 14 at 2017 9:43 AM

SFC Wade Adams — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:43:07 -0400

It’s really kind of unfair, not everybody will be a Medal of Honor receipient . I did 23 years of active duty service honorably, with having to search and plead for my benefits. My kids have to apply for financial aid and hope to get full benefits. I did not enlist in a combat arms specialty, I was combat support, as we all well know, most of the ones that get the medal are combat arms soldiers. If you want to make it fair , do it across the board

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 14 at 2017 6:22 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 18:22:01 -0400

N=? what are the numbers? You make a statement without facts. Many decide to go back to college, some ptsd? I don't know. But there are those who stayed.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Oct 14 at 2017 8:03 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 20:03:54 -0400

Many good points here, not wanting a career, medically discharged. I have had the honor of knowing several recipients,, one thing they all hated was once the MOH was around their neck, troop time, deployments were gone. No Commander wanted to be the 1st one to announce to the world that they had a MOH KIA. So they were stuck in PR or instructor/training slots till they retired, a slow death for a hard charged who leads from the front.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made May 15 at 2018 5:14 PM

SFC Clark Adams — Tue, 15 May 2018 17:14:19 -0400

Many years ago while in High School I met Airman John Levitow. He was from the next town over he left AD in the USAF as he was tired of being a "Show Pony" for the senior personnel and basically had no friends in the ranks. Years later I served with another MoH recipient who was the most decent Field Grade Officer I had met in the unit. He went on to retire as a LTG. He spoke to we EM with a civil tongue and was polite without pretense! The last MoH winner I met was a PA school classmate of my OIC and he was also without pretense but very rough around the edges quite blunt. The bottom line is like every service member there are reasons to stay and go no matter your rank or awards.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Jul 4 at 2018 4:15 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 16:15:17 -0400

I'd hazard a guess that they were busted up a bit, you get a monthly Stipend, and there's the political part of being a MOH winner. I'm sure it all wears away a bit.

Response by SPC John Decker made Jul 4 at 2018 9:33 PM

SPC John Decker — Wed, 04 Jul 2018 21:33:58 -0400

Probably harder to wear than to have received. The actions taken that warranted the award were second nature. Little thought. Now, everything revolves around it. Making sure not to mar the image and so on.

Response by SPC Joseph Hulse made Apr 14 at 2020 11:43 AM

SPC Joseph Hulse — Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:43:56 -0400

Anyone who is alive and received the MoH should have died but through the odds survived. Why stay in, you did your duty and lasted when you shouldn't have.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 15 at 2020 6:03 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:03:12 -0400

Where did you get your statistics? If they are solid keep in mind the acts of heroism required if the MOH, it takes a toll on many, especially considering they may have had multiple other deployments. Another reason is that they are offered fairly lucrative paying jobs if know by the right Company. Also, Families will pull harder at Soldier's to leave Service the more they are confronted with while serving.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2020 6:07 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 06:07:46 -0400

If I went through a situation half as traumatic as required to get the MOH I would get out.
Then again I got out with 17 years, my only regret was not getting all the way out.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2020 8:50 AM

CDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:50:20 -0400

Often they're injured and NPQ for further service. Or injured in mind and spirit more than body and need different circumstances, all of this on top of not wanting the dog and pony business. I can easily imagine that in today's world that just gets in the way of getting on with one's job.

Response by Col Jonathan Brazee made Apr 16 at 2020 12:14 PM

Col Jonathan Brazee — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:14:40 -0400

I had attending my first Marine Corps birthday pageant as a new butterbar, and I was in line for a piece of cake. In front of me was a broad-shouldered Marine. Someone behind me said, "Major!" The Marine turned, and it was then-Major Wesley Fox, MOH recipient, and now I was looking down at the ribbon on his chest, inches away. Flustered, I turned around, and there was First Sergeant Jimmie Howard. The first sergeant was much taller than me, so now, I'm nose-to-ribbon, staring at his MOH as he talked over my head to Major Fox.

I silently did a left-step, march, forward-march, right-step march to get behind the first sergeant so the two could chat without me in the middle.

Some years later, we did a combined service parachute jump on Tinian that went haywire, and I had several soldiers and one Marine hurt. LtCol Fox was the CO of 1/6, I think it was, and they were on the island. I took the injured to their BAS, and for some reason, a major started reaming me out saying we weren't part of the battalion, and most of my hurt weren't even Marines. LtCol Fox came over and asked us what was going on. When the major told him, the colonel lit into the major, telling him off something fierce. He then escorted us to the the BAS so I could get my men treated.

Response by Col Jonathan Brazee made Apr 16 at 2020 12:37 PM

Col Jonathan Brazee — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:37:44 -0400

My locker at the HQMC gym was next to then Lieutenant Colonel Harvey "Barney" Barnum's. He was stationed in Hawaii and went TAD to Vietnam as an A/O when a ground unit got into trouble, and the company commander was killed. He had the pilot land, and he took over the company, and they beat back the attack. He got out of the field, went back to finish his TAD, and then back to Hawaii, where he found out he'd been put in for the MOH.

One day, I jokingly mentioned to him that since he was drawing per diem while on the TAD, they should have switched him to field rates, not BOQ rates, for the three days or so that he was in the field. He probably still owed the Corps for that. He laughed and said no one had ever mentioned that to him before.

The photo above is at a Marine Corps ball years later. I have a photo with him somewhere, but all I could find was this one with my wife.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Apr 16 at 2020 4:02 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:02:00 -0400

Around 2012 I heard MOH recipient Bruce Crandall speak at an ROTC event. He was kind to all in the room and was a great motivation for the cadets, and yet did not blow smoke. Having started my career in the post Vietnam Era, 1978, I aspired to be like Colonel Crandall and Major Ed "Too Tall" Freeman (also a MOH recipient). Those who live have a great opportunity to speak to and inspire the next generation of warriors.

Response by Will Gillette made Apr 20 at 2020 9:47 PM

Will Gillette — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:47:27 -0400

What a biased site this censoring someone's comments because it doesn't align with their narrative....and yes my dad served in the military!

Response by CDR Eric Mercker made Apr 21 at 2020 7:21 PM

CDR Eric Mercker — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:21:46 -0400

I only know one, valor in combat as a SP4 medic, retired as a LTCol.

Response by PO1 Bill Hunter made May 1 at 2020 11:43 PM

PO1 Bill Hunter — Fri, 01 May 2020 23:43:49 -0400

When I was on the USS T.R. I had a chief in my division who was an MOH recipient from vietnam. He did not retire after getting it, he switched to the Navy and became a nuclear electrician.

Response by Sgt Anthony Holloman made May 8 at 2020 12:06 PM

Sgt Anthony Holloman — Fri, 08 May 2020 12:06:08 -0400

I'm a United States Marine Corps veteran.
When I was a recruit at MCRD Parris Island S.C. my Battalion Commander with the 2nd Recruit Training Battalion was Lt Col H.C.Barnum Jr. He won the Medal of Honor in Vietnam He retired after 27 years of service. He also is getting a ship hopefully to be sailing sometime around 2022. This is a new class of Navy ship named after Navy and Marine Corps MoH winners. I was proud to have served under him because he set an example for everyone on Parris Island. And he didn't get a White House ceremony when he got the medal so the ship in his name more than made up for that.

Response by CDR Joseph Swansey made Jul 24 at 2020 6:16 PM

CDR Joseph Swansey — Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:16:25 -0400

It may have something to do with John Basilone who was awarded the MOH for Guadalcanal and then was KIA at Iwo. just speculating.

Response by PFC Charles Sanders made Jul 25 at 2020 12:16 AM

PFC Charles Sanders — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 00:16:40 -0400

Because the ones that aren’t dead typically have significant injuries that make them nondeployable at best. As somebody else pointed out, most are already medically retired when the revived the MoH.

Response by MAJ Bob Firth made Jul 25 at 2020 1:24 PM

MAJ Bob Firth — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:24:53 -0400

Maybe everything after that is anti-climactic. Tolerance for military bullshit may be pretty low. I would love to hear from a panel of MoH recipients, all will no doubt have different reasons.

Response by SPC David Hess made Jul 26 at 2020 12:02 PM

SPC David Hess — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 12:02:45 -0400

Can't say about today but during Vietnam only 1/3rd survived the experience that earned them the award and many of those were badly injured. I don't think amputees could continue to serve back then. Advances in prosthetics have changed that.

Response by SSG Julian Nicholson made Jul 26 at 2020 4:56 PM

SSG Julian Nicholson — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:56:46 -0400

My thoughts are that I’m perfectly fine with an MOH recipient retiring at any time they desire. I highly doubt they’d go on doing the same job they did prior to receiving the award. The number of recipients that receive the award while on active duty not to mention those needing to be medically retired has got to be so low that there’s absolutely no negative affect on the military at large. Lastly I think jealousy is more likely the reason for such a question to be asked than it is curiosity.