Why do some people feel the need to be openly antagonistic to Christians?

1LT Nick Kidwell — Sat, 16 May 2015 10:23:51 -0400

Why is it that there are people out there who feel it's their duty to abuse others verbally? I'm asking this in the context of people specifically going on the offensive because they are atheist (think Richard Dawkins, only more abusive), and the other person claims a faith, usually Christianity.

I mean, I know people who have NO beliefs in common with mine, but we can have philosophical discussions all day long without any animosity. Then there's the rather witty and very intelligent people that, once they discover a person is a Christian, flip a switch and become a shark in a feeding frenzy...

I can respect your lack of faith, even though it saddens me. I only ask that you respect mine.

***Editing Note: On 21 May 2015, I removed the tag "Politics." As the OP, I don't intend this question as an antagonistic one nor do I intend it as a political one. I am simply attempting to gain insight into the motivation behind behavior that I have personally witnessed.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made May 16 at 2015 10:33 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Sat, 16 May 2015 10:33:09 -0400

I respect all beliefs, only I don't want to hear about it, and I don't want to talk about mine, unless we're having a religious discussion.

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made May 16 at 2015 10:31 AM

GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad — Sat, 16 May 2015 10:31:04 -0400

Oh boy ... here we go again ...

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 16 at 2015 10:41 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sat, 16 May 2015 10:41:00 -0400

It's because their father did not love them enough and their relationship with their mother was inappropriate.

Response by PO1 Dustin Adams made May 16 at 2015 10:47 AM

PO1 Dustin Adams — Sat, 16 May 2015 10:47:09 -0400

Maybe its because they are reminded of the emptiness they feel inside that nothing of this world can seem to fill? Or, that those of faith can find a sense of peace knowing that life has a purpose, I can't imagine what it must feel like to live believing that all life is an accident of circumstance without purpose.

I find those that "flip the switch" tend to be more antitheist than atheist.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 10:45 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 May 2015 10:45:15 -0400

I think it is because (and this is not limited to discussions of faith) we have become so polarized that many seem to think the constitution guarantees freedom from hearing anything that might offend them.

And in some cases it may be because some Christians have tried to persuade them to believe exactly like them.

Response by COL Charles Williams made May 16 at 2015 10:55 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 16 May 2015 10:55:36 -0400

Because, it appears, religion in America, and Around the World (with the advent of the mass media world we are in), have decided to go the political route. That is, the way they gain ground and members is putting down the others. This is really nothing new, but I think the media frenzy we have these days, makes it more intense and nonstop.

Religions often put down other faiths to prop up their own perspective. I have experienced that personally with the various church's on military posts.

This is Frustrating, as in America, we have a core value of religious freedom, which we espouse, but we don't really live that...

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 11:16 AM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 May 2015 11:16:38 -0400

Because a great deal of time Christians are Just as aggressive and antagonistic of their faith. Case in point. There has been a discussion about some bases restricting what religious services are supported and which are not. Christians immediately are defending the notion. Primarily because as the majority they are not in harm of it affecting them and because they are the majority in the service a great many things are geared towards Christian practices (ceremonies, choice worship times, training endexed to accommodate Christian services only etc.) However as soon as anything threatens Christianity, oh boy. Watch out. There is immediately an outpouring of righteous indignation and the trampling of Christian freedoms and how Christians are constantly persecuted etc etc etc. I am a Christian and even I can see it. Case in point two: a SGM who walked into a training environment with a God hates fags t shirt and how the Christian Right advocates the killing of homosexuals. When delicately informed (respectfully pulled aside and quietly discussed) that he should in fact remove the shirt and the reg on proselytizing and EO was shown to him, he immediately became openly hostile and loud and combative. Yes. It's his right to believe that his Christianity is anti gay. It's a Christians right to spread the word. HOWEVER it is not their right to do so in uniform, force others to listen or take part, or feel intimidated or uncomfortable in order for Christians to practice their constitutional freedoms. Remember that our freedoms end when they infringe upon the freedoms of others and vice versa. So you ask the question why are people so antagonistic of Christians and I would say it's because of just how vocal, adamant, hostile and defensive Christians become when faced with people who don't share their faith and won't just roll over and allow it to take place. I have seen leadership, who are devout, absolutely black ball and fail to support soldiers who do not share the leaderships religious beliefs or practice other varying beliefs. I am reminded of this disparity every time I have a Muslim or jewish or Buddhist student that I am required to mandatorily force to attend a graduation ceremony where we practice Christian rites and prayers, even saying "in christs name..." During prayers (or listing in the program invocation and benediction, inherently Christian rites), and I bring it up to the powers that be that we should either make it optional to attend or remove that part from the ceremony and it starts a huge argument. So yes. As a Christian, I would say that it's more a conditioned response based on the expected and reinforced behaviors of the Christians we so often deal with. Now. NOT ALL Christians are like this. In fact Id say the majority are not, but the ones who are not seem to be the ones we most often deal with.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made May 16 at 2015 11:44 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Sat, 16 May 2015 11:44:17 -0400

Perhaps Christians are getting some bad PR?

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 11:52 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 May 2015 11:52:21 -0400

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 12:35 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 May 2015 12:35:35 -0400

Sir, I do not know the anser, but I do get to see exactly what you are saying.

I get to watch people talk about their lack of faith all while telling me that I am ignorant for having faith in a higher power. No, I cannot see God, but I see his works. No, I cannot see the air I breath, but I know it is doing its job.

Response by MSgt Manuel Diaz made May 16 at 2015 1:39 PM

MSgt Manuel Diaz — Sat, 16 May 2015 13:39:15 -0400

I reckon the atheist feel like they have been enslaved by the Christian faith all their lives and feel it is their duty to let every Christian know they have escaped the church and are now more intelligent with science than the sheep following any false god man created to enslave and control the masses and if they listen, he is giving them a chance to become as intelligent a fanatic as he has become much like the tv evangelist preach fire and brimstone to put the fear of God into you do donate all your wealth to them in the name of Christ Amen. Dominoes and biscuits et com espiritu tu O.. never quite got the Latin part. Anyway that's my thought on it... damit... which way did the sheep go.... admit I'm lost again.... here sheepie sheeps. Well fur sure the Shepard will come git me

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made May 16 at 2015 1:54 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Sat, 16 May 2015 13:54:04 -0400

It's human nature. I was an atheist for a long time exactly because of this sort of behavior from Christians. Then I realized people are messy and usually don't quite make it to where they should be.

I think it's worth noting as well that there is a difference between Atheists and Anti-theists. Dawkins is an asshole, no matter how you look at it. Neil Degrasse Tyson is not.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 1:56 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 May 2015 13:56:53 -0400

I usually don't like to bring up my faith at all. It is between me and God. I think others should adhere to that. I don't want to hear someone telling me how Christianity is so awesome. After that I will tell them something that doesn't confirm to what they think and all of a sudden I am the bad one. I have seen it far too much and too often. I think we would speak of faith both parties willingly do so. If not I don't care to converse of things at work or other places. That is just me.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 2:00 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 May 2015 14:00:17 -0400

Probably the same reason some Christians are antagonistic toward non-Christians. Nobody likes to have others tell them what to believe; that includes atheists not wanting to hear "the Good Word."

Response by SrA Daniel Hunter made May 16 at 2015 2:19 PM

SrA Daniel Hunter — Sat, 16 May 2015 14:19:50 -0400

Like many things I tend to see social antagonism in political terms. All things are "a response to." As a Christian I see things in society that I put into groups (judgement). If it is bad (normative term), I see it as against what my religious beliefs are; or I see it as against social norms. If it is good, I see it as reinforcing social norms; or I see it as an example of the manifestation of my religious beliefs. Throughout my life what I perceive as good or bad has changed. This is mostly the result of what I would call the maturity of my faith.

There have been several things that have guided me in that faith. The first is who I am. Literally it is the meaning of my name "God is my judge." With that I recall several bible passages: Judge not, that you not be judged; If you have something against your brother you have killed him; You shall not kill; If it is of God nothing you will do will stop it, if it is not of God it will not last. I did not come by my faith because of what someone else did or said. I came to it by experience, when I was alone. For this reason I do not like to preach my faith but to live it. Yet there it is. Mostly it is for those who believe yet attribute social norms with religious requirements. My God has one requirement of me. To love.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Bly made May 16 at 2015 2:22 PM

SPC Jeffrey Bly — Sat, 16 May 2015 14:22:27 -0400

It's their own fear that causes them to be on the offensive. I'd rather be Christian and be wrong than the other way around. Eternity is a long time. Besides, as I heard it said in a movie once - Why is it the vast majority of the worlds population, regardless of faith or religion, believe in some sort of supreme being or higher power?

Response by TSgt Christopher D. made May 16 at 2015 2:36 PM

TSgt Christopher D. — Sat, 16 May 2015 14:36:33 -0400

1LT Nick Kidwell I would like you to consider one aspect of Christianity, indeed a command from Jesus Himself, and how that sets the stage for some of the treatment doled out by atheists toward Christians.

Jesus told his Apostles to go out into the world and spread the good news. Doesn't sound too bad, but... consider: that good news is this: God created the universe and everything in it. He is everywhere, is all-powerful, and He knows everything. God is perfect. God created you, but because the first man and woman He created thousands of years ago were beguiled by a talking snake (that God allowed into the Garden of Eden) into eating a piece of fruit that God told them not to, as soon as you were born, you were a sinner in God's eyes.

God is holy, and since sin is not holy, sinners cannot be with God. God tried giving the people law, but it was impossible for them to live by it and keep themselves free of sin. So because God loved us so much, He decided to impregnate a virgin, who would give birth to Him in human form. This person was Jesus. Jesus did a bunch of miracles to show he was the Son of God. He healed the sick, fed the multitudes, turned water into wine... but the people hated Jesus and they crucified him. They mocked him, ridiculed him, beat him, flogged him, they tortured him and then hung him on a cross for 3 days. Because he lived free of sin, his blood could wash clean everyone who believed in him and reconcile them to God. Now, because of Jesus' tremendous love and sacrifice, your sins can be washed away, and you can live in Heaven with Jesus and God and the Angels forever and ever.

So... an all-knowing, all-powerful being created us, allowed us to be beguiled, then punished not only the offenders, but every single human being that has lived since with a death sentence to an eternity of unspeakable agony and pain. This sentence was handed down to me the minute I drew my 1st breath, and unless I believe this story, ask Jesus' forgiveness and for Him to be my Lord and Savior, and get dunked in water, then I am going to burn in miserable agony for eternity, even though I'm only alive some 75-80 years, on average?

I'm sorry, but I do not appreciate being told that I deserve an eternity of unspeakable torture, or that the person who passed this judgment on me loves me, or that he sent his son to be tortured on my behalf, or that there was any real sacrifice (Jesus knew he would rise again, so...), or that this was a just action, or that it's ok for someone to punish the entire human race because a talking snake tricked a naive girl into eating an apple.

I have never simply offered that explanation to anyone. I have provided it though, after people decide that I NEED to hear their good news, or that I need to convert. No one says a damn thing to people proselytizing their Christian faith, but as soon as someone speaks out against it... Oh boy.

But Christians rarely see this as any kind of double-standard. Its perfectly acceptable to share the Christian good news. It just means you love people and are doing as your God commands, right? But what would the response be if I went to people and told them that religion was BS meant to control people? What if I went to someone's deathbed and did like Christians have done to atheists (You don't want to burn in hell, do you?), and lovingly told the person "Now come on, you don't really believe the talking snake, the burning bush, the Red Sea parted etc etc?" Christians get a pass, but you know damn good and well I wouldn't.

Response by CPT Jason Torpy made May 16 at 2015 11:05 PM

CPT Jason Torpy — Sat, 16 May 2015 23:05:14 -0400

I think you need to notice that the atheists you hear about (dawkins, hitchens, etc) and the christians you hear about (huckabee, santorum, comfort) and the messages of theirs that you hear are all distorted by the media. But in person when you talk to people, try to get away from this ideas that beliefs have rights or that faith deserves respect. You as a person deserve respect. People have rights.
Beyond that, you've got no actual content or situations to discuss. You're just saying atheists are hostile to christians. As an atheist, I can tell you I'm never hostile to christians. I occasionally get into heated discussions about belief or politics, but in those cases, it's not hostility and it's just as likely that the christian started in on me first.
But I agree to respect you and avoid being hostile to christians. I just ask that you be a bit more specific if you've got an issue.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA made May 17 at 2015 8:48 AM

Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA — Sun, 17 May 2015 08:48:35 -0400

So, let me comment from an academic point of view (and I apologize if this was covered by someone else's comment). These is such a thing as "belongingness theory" (yes, spelled correctly). People who belong to, or want to belong to certain groups take on all the attributes of the group to conform. That also means they will defend those attributes to show they belong. Groups may include the military (each branch has its own loyal attributes), parts of the country (Northerners, Southerners, Westerners - cowboys, etc.), social groups (bikers, fans of certain sports teams, etc.).

Groups also include faith systems. Each of the 50 or so different flavors of Baptists will defend their beliefs as if its the only "true" one (you can swap any faith for the word Baptist above). That's just the way we are since none of us want to belong to the wrong group - whatever that means.

For me, I can't see how anyone can challenge another's beliefs since they are "beliefs". No one can prove the correctness of any one faith although they can be convinced their faith is the right one.

For those who say "show me the proof of God", I'd say absence of proof doesn't mean proof of god's absence.

In the end, I don't think I need to convince you to believe the way I do - I have my basis for my beliefs and you have yours. If you decide to cut off some heads because of the differences, then that will have a difference response. Otherwise, I'd accept your point of view as your point of view - but not mine.

My apologies for the long comment - I don't mean to preach at anyone. Its a pet peeve of mine. Just my humble opinion.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 9:18 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 May 2015 09:18:10 -0400

Example?

I'll tell you why I speak up: religious people make policy everyday. And I think we could all benifit from a more secular nation. The libertarian in me suspects I'd feel this way christian or otherwise.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made May 17 at 2015 9:52 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Sun, 17 May 2015 09:52:47 -0400

Since Dr. Dawkins is mentioned by name in this question, perhaps his words might have some relevance here...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/15/evolutionary-biologist-richard-dawkins-slams-young-earth-creationists-i-said-id-never-despise-individuals-just-their-views-but/

Atheist Richard Dawkins’ Tough Message About Young Earth Creationists: ‘I Said I’d Never Despise...

Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins took to Twitter on Thursday to proclaim that, though he makes it a habit not to hate ideological opponents, there's an exception when it comes to young earth creationists who believe that God made the world thousands of years ago in a very short period...

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 11:51 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 May 2015 11:51:04 -0400

I believe that both are wrong on both sides. I get tired of hearing atheists push their ideas on me. I don't, I am a catholic that does not push my views on people and I never would. I do see certain Christians that push their views on people overwhelmingly also. So I believe both sides are wrong and both sides spread hate fear and distrust.

Response by SSG Angela Valtierra made May 17 at 2015 10:23 PM

SSG Angela Valtierra — Sun, 17 May 2015 22:23:23 -0400

I believe that our society teaches us to respect all religions most people walk on eggshells now a days trying to not offend anyone, except Christian faith no one cares about Christianity anymore heaven forbid you say the crap people say to Christians to another faith. I think it's ridiculious. Freedom of religion ! I believe in Jesus I don't care if my neighbor believes in goats if that's his thing then whatever. Disrespect my religion then I'll disrespect yours .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 11:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 May 2015 23:27:06 -0400

Personally, I try not to "attack" people for their religious beliefs. I will feel free to chime in on a discussion thread. In individual conversation, I will (usually) only talk about my beliefs if someone else brings it up. And then I will try to explain my position without being insulting...but without being apologetic and with extreme prejudice against the notion that religion "requires" reverence by non-believers.

Where it comes up for me most here on RP, is that I will take EVERY opportunity to attempt to remove references to any religion (see? Non-discriminate) from official things (policy, ceremonies, decorations...basically, anything that isn't specifically "yours" to do with what you wish).

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 12:45 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2015 00:45:58 -0400

No clue. I'm a Christian and have friends/coworkers of different faiths or none at all. I realize there are people out there that will disagree with me. I am challenged, a lot, by atheists who ask me how I could believe and I just respond with "Faith". I never ask "Why don't you believe" but they feel it's okay to question my belief. The ONLY time I felt that my religion was an "issue" for someone was when I was asked a question about my job and how I liked it during a meeting. I said I loved what I did and that I blessed with whom I worked with... I was cut off by another senior officer in the room. I suppose I should have used the word "lucky" and they would have felt more comfortable. In the end, regardless, I am truly blessed.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 9:47 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2015 09:47:46 -0400

Every moderately sized group of people inevitably includes d*****bags

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made May 18 at 2015 10:45 AM

LTC Bink Romanick — Mon, 18 May 2015 10:45:21 -0400

I wonder what you would think if another religion was proselytizing and evangelizing the way that some Christians do.

Evangelicals seem to think that they're under attack. Maybe it's their actions that cause that reaction.

Don't try to force your beliefs on others and stop politicizing your religion.

Even more so be a Christian in actions not just words.

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made May 18 at 2015 11:45 AM

MSgt Michelle Mondia — Mon, 18 May 2015 11:45:55 -0400

You illustrated it perfectly..."I respect your lack of faith, even though it saddens me." when you quantify "faith" as something tangible that a person can have allot or a little of you elevate yourself above others. This is why there is so much volatile anger involved in conversation between Christians and others. You are taking a position above another because you see them as "lacking". And further more you pitty them by stating how sad you are about their lack of faith, you see that right? Would you have to express that to an opposing fan of a sports team or a vegetarian? further more your "sadness" is only felt because your faith condemns these indivials to eternal hell for their "lack of faith" if it didn't you wouldn't the need the to pitty them...and they know it. I find your statement passive aggressive. I find Christians who evangelize in this way always meet aggression and opposition. I've watched it happened. Jesus didn't use pitty and pretentiousness to gain a following...use him as your example.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made May 18 at 2015 2:24 PM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Mon, 18 May 2015 14:24:26 -0400

I cannot figure it out. Normally, when a person is comfortable and confident in their own position, and happy to be who they are, they can discuss their own position and contrarian positions without emotion, condescension, or antagonism. When I see the threads become antagonistic, especially in RP, I think it's self-defeating and unprofessional.

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made May 18 at 2015 5:11 PM

Capt Christian D. Orr — Mon, 18 May 2015 17:11:48 -0400

As a practicing Catholic Christian, I daresay that the worst and most vicious antagonism I've received has been from supposed fellow Christians. I have a big-time problem with bigoted fundamentalist/born-again/Evangelical Christians telling me that because I'm a Catholic, I'm not a "real" Christian (never mind that my Church is about 2,000 years older than theirs), that my Church is the spiritual Babylon, and that the Pope is the Antichrist. With "friends" and supposed fellow Christians like these, who needs enemies? I'd much rather be in the company of atheists or agnostics than those insufferable dogmatic judgmental jerks any ol' day of the week.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 5:43 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2015 17:43:58 -0400

If you are brought up accepting whatever religious ideology you are born into as indisputable fact, exempt from being challenged (believe it because I said so- you just have to have faith), what chance do you have as a child to avoid this brainwashing? What chance does anyone have unless at some point you decide to think critically and start questioning things?

I find it amusing how religious people justify their beliefs by quoting scripture. That's like Wal-Mart hiring someone to say that Wal-Mart is the best place to shop.

I have antagonistic tendencies towards christians when they make open statements under the assumption that their beliefs apply to everyone. Or when there are giant billboards along the interstate that make threatening statements like, you better go to church or you will burn forever. Or a 10-story lit-up cross to make sure you see it from at least 2 miles away, day or night.

I don't care if you need a mental security blanket because you're afraid of what happens to you after death. Party onward if that's what makes you feel good. I'm happy that you considered my happiness too and knocked on my door to invite me along, but don't try to make me feel like I'm a short-bus derpster for wanting to do something else with my free time. I'm concerned about making a good life right now and being good to people because it's the right thing do as a non-sociopath, not because of a falsely promised reward of endless bbq, beer and boobies coupled with the false threat of spending eternal afterlife in the business end of the bbq.

As it pertains to us in the military- how about get rid of religious references in our oath of enlistment? and promotion ceremonies? and PME graduations? and unit parties? and professional organization openings? and... and... etc. How about keep it at the chapel, where it belongs, not in my face at every military function we find ourselves at. Invoking the spirits at these functions does not make them more meaningful- it suggests the military is the armed wing of the church.

Animosity towards christians? How about animosity towards everyone else by christians... Don't like that I don't capitalize those words? I don't have to respect your religion or anything about it. Religion is destructive, divisive mental poison and there's a TON of evidence to support that. However, I respect your freedom to be religious.

Response by SGT Kevin Brown made May 18 at 2015 5:53 PM

SGT Kevin Brown — Mon, 18 May 2015 17:53:15 -0400

I kind of commented about this earlier on a separate post, but here is one possibilty (and I say one because it is about me and my actions are mine alone, not the actions of others). I was an Atheist converted to Catholic during my first tour in Afghanistan. Without getting into how that happened here, when I was an Atheist, I made it my personal mission to disprove the beliefs of all religious people, most particularly Chriatians. I didnt do this because I hated them or that I actually believed Atheist views weee better then religous ones. I did this because I was angry at God, hated the church and couldnt stand the crape I was feed as a kid by my Mothers extremist church groups. I generalized all Christians under the actions of the few that did me wrong. Just like I shouldnt have generalized then, I ask that you don't generalize the above identified actions as anything other then my own.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 10:50 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 May 2015 22:50:46 -0400

The door goes both ways on this one. I personally have never told anyone to give up God, but multiple times in my life I have been told by complete strangers I am going to hell.

Response by SPC Angel Guma made May 19 at 2015 1:04 AM

SPC Angel Guma — Tue, 19 May 2015 01:04:27 -0400

Sir-

Very respectfully, people are antagonistic in general. I have to be on guard 100% of the time if I am being needlessly combative.

As one spiritual person to another (I still respect your rank, but just asking that what I say next is just considered as one person to another), antagonistic people are actually opportunities. Sharks can be easily led by the scent of blood. Use it to your advantage.

Response by SGT Anthony Bussing made May 19 at 2015 1:04 AM

SGT Anthony Bussing — Tue, 19 May 2015 01:04:57 -0400

as long as you dont try to force your god and your religion on me or any other american citizen...I have no problem...God does not belong in the congress...he doesnot belong in our laws...

you want "in god we trust" on our money? sure...I have no issue with that.

wanna say "so help me god"...so, I have no problem with that, either...

wanna tell women they are bad and committing murder when they have an abortion because your "god" says so...I now have an issue

wanna deny services to people of different sexes, religions, genders and races because "god made adam and eve, not adam and steve" then...we have a problem...

so, in essence...keep your god to your self...and Ill keep my heathenistic, atheism to myself...deal?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2015 6:34 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 May 2015 06:34:52 -0400

I can only speak of my experiences, but I come from a family that is deeply religious, and it was shoved down my throat constantly growing up and still to this day. Because of that I formed a sour taste for religion. My mother is a literalist in regards to her interpretation of the Bible. To her the world is 6,000 years old, and science is a lie. It drives me nuts because I find science very interesting and I can't talk to her about it without her throwing a fit and wanting to pray. Because of all of this I have developed a subconscious intolerance of religion in general. I however don't have a problem with religion itself, and I have learned to catch myself from being disrespectful and dismissing someone's beliefs. I think a lot of people haven't developed this mechanism. I may not be a believer but it upsets me to see others bash it like they do. Really, it shouldn't bother them either way, but for some reason it does.

Response by SGT Jimmy Stout made May 19 at 2015 10:56 AM

SGT Jimmy Stout — Tue, 19 May 2015 10:56:50 -0400

People hate the truth

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made May 19 at 2015 11:15 AM

MSgt Michelle Mondia — Tue, 19 May 2015 11:15:18 -0400

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2015 4:26 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 May 2015 16:26:10 -0400

Well, why is it okay to be openly antagonistic toward Muslims? Why is it okay to say that those who aren't religious are anti-gun, anti-family, and immoral?
Outrage is only acceptable, it appears, if one feels that they are in the company of the majority.

Response by MSgt Brian Welch made May 19 at 2015 11:06 PM

MSgt Brian Welch — Tue, 19 May 2015 23:06:37 -0400

Sir, I share your question and have only surmised these thoughts on it over time:
1. The polarization of American politics pits one against the other. As though only one view can be right. If you are right they are negated. That's a sad thought that atheists have self esteem issues. There should be a support group for that.
2. There are people that legitimately can't conceive of a faith based belief. Even scientists can believe and do.
3. Some have keyed religion due to some negative headline surrounding members of the religious community and their individual impropriety.
4. I'll leave this one open for others to fill in....

Response by Capt Jeff S. made May 20 at 2015 2:08 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Wed, 20 May 2015 02:08:30 -0400

Because they are small and picking on Christians is a safe way for people who are unhappy with themselves to elevate their uncomfortably low self-esteems... : )

And besides, Christians tend to roll with the punches and generally don't respond with the same viscious nasty personal insults; they are more apt to turn the other cheek and ignore the insult.

If you're going to piss someone off because you are desperately in need of an ego boost, best to piss off a Christian. You won't get your head cut off and they might even pray for you.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made May 20 at 2015 2:43 AM

SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA — Wed, 20 May 2015 02:43:44 -0400

Listen, if you are a christian believer, then you should abide by the Bible.

It plainly states that, basically, you should worship in private and not to make a big deal about it. As in, it is between you and your god, no need to advertise it to the world.

I feel religious people of all denominations like to go against this simple advice and advertise their religious colors.

Believer or not, keep it to yourself and congregate with your church if you must, end of story, chances are the belligerence would diminish.

I am not an atheist, I simply keep my religion to myself and do not proselytize.

Isn't it obvious that religious questions here on RP or elsewhere inevitably end in discord? Why not simply stop asking or trolling for religious enmity?

Good night everyone.

Response by PO3 Jeffrey Levy made May 20 at 2015 7:13 AM

PO3 Jeffrey Levy — Wed, 20 May 2015 07:13:36 -0400

*Im confused is this a military or veteran topic/question?

Response by SSG(P) Auston Terry made May 20 at 2015 10:03 AM

SSG(P) Auston Terry — Wed, 20 May 2015 10:03:11 -0400

I can't speak to the motivations of others but I will recount an anecdote that I think is a root cause, although the exact situation is unique I suppose.
Last year I went to the MPD on my post early in the morning to replace a worn ID. In front of me in line were two Humanist chaplains from the Royal Netherlands Army. The ID card section worked with it's usual alacrity and I got to listen to about 20 minutes of the civilian alternating between berating the KL chaplain and having him explain his point of view. It was pretty offensive to me because she seemed openly antagonistic and he was our guest, both to our country and our Army. If that was MY first impression of American Christendom I'd be pretty antagonistic too.
To his credit the guy was very patient and thanked her for her time and left.

American Christians in particular seem to feel the need to be openly antagonistic on their own and historically have been. I think what you are describing is a modern backlash. I think you will also find that historically speaking Christians have been intolerant of differences in opinion within their own ranks, murderously so, and in this century. Any outsider, especially someone who doesn't share your faith would be logically skeptical, and militantly so.

Response by Cpl Christopher Thrower made May 20 at 2015 11:14 AM

Cpl Christopher Thrower — Wed, 20 May 2015 11:14:41 -0400

What i wish all people could understand is that there is no definitive, factual proof that validates the experiences one has chosen to interpret as spiritual. Therefore, if someone believes in something, let them. If someone does not believe in something, also let them. No one should get sad or hurt or offended by the interpretations one decides to make, but everyone should be aware that what they individually experience is just that - an individual experience; and does not validate or disprove anything.

I for example, have decided to invest in christianity. But I understand that I cannot prove or share the individual experiences have or do not have. I think that is the most reasonable and practical approach, and everyone should jump on board with that approach lol.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 12:14 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 May 2015 12:14:18 -0400

I wasn't aware this was a problem. My only guess can be that Christians make up the largest percentage of religious individuals in the military. Call it a test of faith if someone questions it. I'm not Christian, but if someone tested my beliefs I don't think I'd get all that upset about it. They're my beliefs. 1) What difference does it make to them? I'm not going to agree with everything anyone in the world believes. 2) They're mine. I'm just going to respect that person's right to believe in their own things. If it's to not be Christian/Jewish/Buddhist/etc. then that's their prerogative.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 12:26 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 May 2015 12:26:02 -0400

It is a definite two way street and I respect everyones personal choice whether to believe in a higher power or not. There are folks on both sides of the debate that take it way way to far. Case in point the guy who was calling for criminal charges against the AF general who credited his faith for his success. That guy (not the general) in my opinion is a nut job. Not for being an aethist but for what he was demanding.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made May 20 at 2015 1:52 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 20 May 2015 13:52:27 -0400

Let me answer the question simply: fear.
Fear that Christians might be right and they may be wrong (no body likes being wrong)
Fear that Christians may hold them accountable for enjoying mortal pleasures without thought of long-term consequences or social impact, for example murder, theft, sexual perversion, exploitation of other humans, excessive consumption of substances that alter mind or body and many more.
Fear that there is an existence after mortal death in which they may be disadvantaged for wanting to distance themselves from God
Fear that they are right and their existence is a meaningless accident
Fear that their "god" will punish them if they do no convert or kill Christians

Response by SGT Jimmy Carpenter made May 20 at 2015 2:29 PM

SGT Jimmy Carpenter — Wed, 20 May 2015 14:29:29 -0400

I don't believe in God but I don't consider myself an Atheist.

I really don't care what other's belief or faith is either. I don't push my beliefs on anyone and I don't want them pushing theirs on me.

I think the 10 commandments are good rules to live by but I don't believe a burning bush etched them in stone while Moses looked on.

I celebrate Christmas from a tradition point of view, not a religious one.

I don't celebrate Easter.

I don't pray.

My wife is Catholic and while it has created some tension, all on her part, it doesn't bother me one bit.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 3:36 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 May 2015 15:36:27 -0400

Religion is something personal. It has little place in public and work places. I personally feel it should be kept in the home, place of worship and with close family and friends. Religion is one of those things that you should be proud of, but often we end up being over proud. We end up pressing our views on others. A Jew might not want to hear about the ways of the Christian, or visa versa. But if he does let him ask in a more private venue.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 3:38 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 May 2015 15:38:56 -0400

Some people fear what they don't understand, and lash out because of it.

Others see through the thin veil of their "religion", and lash out on the hypocracy. (Matthew 7:15-20)

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 4:59 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 May 2015 16:59:38 -0400

i think that there will always be those who wish to impose their will upon others. if religion never existed, there would be another silly practice to impose upon others. so chalk it up to human nature. i don't personally get offended with religion in and of itself, and religion in a public setting can be attributed to custom and tradition. the bible and theology are interesting topics for discussion, but nothing more to me.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made May 20 at 2015 5:46 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Wed, 20 May 2015 17:46:06 -0400

RallyPoint is the only Internet forum I have found where religion and politics can be discussed without degenerating into a hate-fest. Thank you.

After scanning the various responses to the initial question "Why do some people feel compelled to bash Christians?" I see only a narrow window of opportunity to add something constructive without piling on and echoing that which has already been said so well.

The simple truth is that there has never been a time when religion has been fully and truly "tolerated". Faith is, by definition, unsupported. It is simply accepted on faith. It is difficult to respond rationally when an irrational belief is attacked. (Note: I am not using "irrational" as a pejorative.)

This is why people of similar faiths band together in congregations. They take comfort in associating with people who share rather than attack their faith.

This is why people respond so badly when their children "leave the faith". There is no greater attack on one's beliefs than when their children refuse to share them.

Fortunately, we live in a country (the United States) where all faiths have coexisted more or less peacefully. Yes, there have been exceptions. The Mormons were persecuted unmercifully until they dropped a couple of their basic tenants (notably polygamy). Until Vatican I, relations were strained between Catholics and Protestants (and some still harbor resentments).

Thus, anyone expressing surprise that someone attacks their religious beliefs is almost unbelievable. Really? Be thankful that you don't live within the Islamic Caliphate wherein non-Muslims and even Muslims of different flavors are routinely tortured, mutilated, and murdered. Be thankful that you didn't live through the Inquisition or the Catholic/Protestant wars of Europe. Be thankful that you're Americans and among your many services in the military you have preserved, protected, and defended the Constitution against all enemies including those who would deny you your right to practice or not practice the religion of your choice.

Personally, I thank God for just that every day. You may thank whomever or whatever you like and won't get any objection from me.

Response by LTC Nancy Bodyk (Retired) made May 20 at 2015 7:14 PM

LTC Nancy Bodyk (Retired) — Wed, 20 May 2015 19:14:24 -0400

Part of the reason people may have a negative response to hearing an individual is a Christian is because of your comment about being sad for those who do not have faith. To begin with that signifies to an atheist that you think they are misguided, which is rather arrogant and probably one of the reasons some people are angry at Christians. Before Christianity there was Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Norse Gods and many others. Those religions faded over time.

I am Christian and what I don't want is other Christians in our Country imposing their religious beliefs on me through the laws of our States and Country. We have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that guarantees freedom of religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,..." I will respect your right to practice your religion as you see fit as long as you are not advocating the harming of or killing of others because they do not follow your religion. I only ask that you respect my right not to have your beliefs shoved down my throat. There are many States who have passed laws to protect the rights of Christians, but what about the other religions that exist in this Country? I did not serve almost 22 years in the Army, protecting our Constitution, to have our politicians impose religious laws on our Country. And they are slowly doing this at the State level right now and I find it disturbing.

I grew up believing in LOVE others as you would want to be LOVED. Just one example of devout people not following this is the hate coming out of the devout community because States are allowing gay marriage. If that is how religious people express their love for others I want no part of it. I was taught to love everyone regardless of race, gender, religion, or orientation.

Response by Cpl Kristoffer Mischel made May 20 at 2015 11:25 PM

Cpl Kristoffer Mischel — Wed, 20 May 2015 23:25:42 -0400

I am personally agnostic. I have never attacked anyone about their religion. I may ask a few questions in order to gain a better understanding of a person's views, but these are solicited. My issue, which will make me get on the offensive, is when a person is aggressively pushing their views on me. I am open to discussion and will go point for point with someone. I have also never seen this shark feeding frenzy that you have addressed, but I can see that it could happen. I have full respect for peoples faiths, that's one of the things I fought to protect.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made May 21 at 2015 9:10 AM

SSG Richard Reilly — Thu, 21 May 2015 09:10:58 -0400

1. They think it is cool to be atheist.
2. They really don't want the carne, christians bothering them. (the door to door, death by fire, my kids walk on water christians that treat people rudely)
3. They think it makes them smarter.

Note I am a christian and believe in God however I am not a door to door christian.

Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made May 21 at 2015 2:13 PM

MAJ Keira Brennan — Thu, 21 May 2015 14:13:36 -0400

IMHO its the pendulum swinging back and forth to (hopefully) a natural center where people can chose to to believe whatever they want without fear and retaliation. I served from 87-12 in the Army both AD and the Res. The idea that a person could could serve openly as an atheist, deist, pagan, or what-have-you was inconceivable. Just like being gay. I reckon a lot of troops go after Christians as "payback" for the modern institutional intolerance. I think the military is a conservative family in nature. I mean come on - Duty/Honor/Country. OUR beliefs are good beliefs. But IMHO there was always a "religious test." I am glad I will have the Happy Humanist icon on my govt-issued headstone.

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 21 at 2015 2:23 PM

SPC Charles Brown — Thu, 21 May 2015 14:23:47 -0400

I will say this in my own case I have noticed that Christians are as antagonistic to each other as some are towards the Atheists and Agnostics. I have noticed that there are a few trolling these posts as a way of enforcing their beliefs. This is sad in that this country was founded on religious freedom. I will share the Gospel with those who are willing to listen and are interested, however, and this is where I have problems, when the person has become adversarial or no longer interested I will stop the conversation. Again, this is not the case with some. When the deaf ear is turned on the believer the believer will often turn up the volume to make sure they are heard. This is were the problem lies, NO RESPECT for the beliefs or lack of by those who profess a belief in God, Christ or whatever the individual chooses to believe in.

So for you out there who don't believe in a creator God, I say good for you. If it is working that is fine with me. DO Not try to change my beliefs to match your conscience.

Those who profess a belief in a creator God, again, good for you. If it works for you great. DO NOT try to convince me that your beliefs are better than mine because I will not mention which Christian denomination I belong to.

Your choice should be what you believe in respect what I believe and don't force your opinions on me and tell me I am wrong. When in doubt, leave me out.

Let the attacks begin! I am ready.

Just in case someone wants to take this out into left field somewhere I am going to tag some admins.

Response by MSgt Robert Pellam made May 21 at 2015 6:25 PM

MSgt Robert Pellam — Thu, 21 May 2015 18:25:34 -0400

I am going to try and answer this without invoking the "religion" side of this question at all.

Second.. all you are about to hear is a personal Theory I have garnered from experience and time. I do not have any degree or serious training in Psychology to quantify anything I write, except experience and logical thought processes.

Some people are openly antagonistic to one another for many different reasons. Religion is a Highly emotional believe , but so is family, friends, country, politics and so on. People feel a need to defend what they believe and many people were taught that the best defense is a good offense. I think this is mostly the case with the original question, people on both sides of an issue attack rather then defend because it makes the best defense.

Another aspect of any social conflict like the one mentioned in the title is the fact many people want to "Help" other people. I call this the "Busy body theory" (again this is a personal theory) These people are trying to "help" the other person by pushing their thoughts, beliefs, experiences, on the other person. They believe that their experiences or learning trumps the other persons and that They know what is best for said individual. This is why Parents constantly tell their Children what to do even when their Children are in there 50's and are more successful and socially developed then their parents.

Now many humans seem to always want to try and others. Some times help given is not wanted. So honestly I don't think this is a religious question aspect but a social aspect of Humans. In my opinion.

Response by LTC John Wilson made May 21 at 2015 8:16 PM

LTC John Wilson — Thu, 21 May 2015 20:16:36 -0400

The person attacking you is shallow and in need of support for his or her beliefs. They attempt to show their so called superiority with ignorance and can be hateful in the process. Uphold your values, don't get emotional, and forgive and plant the seed. Somewhere in life it may grow for the other person and you have grown spiritually.

Response by PFC Chris Hemingway made May 23 at 2015 9:43 AM

PFC Chris Hemingway — Sat, 23 May 2015 09:43:58 -0400

Do any of you realise how often Christianity antagonizes and persecuted other religions? I was persecuted by my catholic nco even after I asked him to stop but to you Christians it's just bringing the word to the heathen but to me it was harassment so tell why we have to behave when Christians don't

Response by LTC John Wilson made May 24 at 2015 5:55 PM

LTC John Wilson — Sun, 24 May 2015 17:55:47 -0400

Some people are misinformed or just out of touch with their beliefs. No Christian or Atheist should have to defend their belief to anyone. We all are free to believe what we want. Respecting others goes a long way in making friends and having a decent relationship.
However, no one has the right to make laws to stop Christians from practicing their religion or an Atheist from practicing his or hers. This is called tolerance and it is a must if we are to live together and create a better place for our children.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2015 5:56 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 May 2015 17:56:00 -0400

The screaming, shouting and name calling. Is it possible they are trying to feel superior to organized religion? They think they need to make a spectacle of themselves so they can be seen and draw attention?

I don't know. I'm an Irish Catholic. I don't force anyone to talk religion with me, but if a challenge is engaged, I will take part.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Jun 2 at 2015 2:59 PM

SPC Nathan Freeman — Tue, 02 Jun 2015 14:59:04 -0400

Don't be surprised when people persecute you. They persecuted Jesus and the apostles, and they will persecute you. Soon physical persecution will be legal.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2015 8:46 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 08:46:03 -0400

Well, first I'll say I rarely have this problem... most Christians are pretty okay and don't try to act superior or push their beliefs on me. But when it *does* happen, it is really annoying and disrespectful.

I'm not atheist, I'm Jewish, and every once in awhile I get "witnessed" to or even told flat-out I'm "wrong" or a "Christ killer" (I'm including civilian as well as military). It is very rare but displayed some serious cracks in professionalism or basic civility.

Interestingly, look at the assumptions here in this one particular thread: the assumption that this is between "Christians" and "Atheists". There's no one else out there with a viewpoint; only the Christian one? But then... I've never had a Buddhist or Ba'hai, Hindu, Pagan, Muslim, etc get in my face about religion, either, so...

So while the majority of Christians I've met are perfectly nice folks, some *are* arrogant, pushy, and demand all the respect while giving none back.

Response by SSG Brian Kresge made Jun 3 at 2015 9:14 AM

SSG Brian Kresge — Wed, 03 Jun 2015 09:14:36 -0400

Let's talk about the power structure that can feed the resentment. Without rancor I say this: hostility towards Christianity is not born in a vacuum. Some of it is the unfortunate consequence of a Christian value system at odds with societal moral shifts, and some of it is very much earned contempt.

I hold no ill-will towards Christianity personally, but I'll share some of my own experiences over the last 20 years as a Jew in uniform. In garrison, we all know that there's usually at least a 4 day holiday over Christmas, and often units will have a block leave allocation over the same time frame. Chanukah is not Jewish Christmas - it's a minor holiday that observant Jews consider of less significance than Passover or Rosh Hashanah/Yom Kippur, both of which seem to somehow always overlap a training schedule or deployability cycle at various MACOMs. So you put in for the holiday accommodation, and the immediate authority usually glibly tells you he's lost Christmas to deployment (though not since you've met him). Even in theater, while yes, some people will continue their duties, there is some modicum of an official treatment of Christmas abroad. Being an observant adherent of a minority faith can generate a lot of resentment towards Christians, because they so very often don't understand how good they have it.

When I was a younger soldier, it positively infuriated me how Christians could claim persecution and enjoy such a relatively easy time of it. You're almost always apt to find a denominationally relevant chaplain on post or in theater, religious support is easily understood and attended to. I saw a Jewish chaplain twice, until I became a lay leader.

None of that should be an indictment of Christianity, but if you're a member of a minority faith, you have to remember that the indignities we even inadvertently in what should be a secular military because Christians make up the majority feed acrimony.

I'm older and wiser now, and I see it as my responsibility to make sure to send the elevator back down to the ground floor for new religious minority troops. They must be consistent and persistent if they want their faith needs taken care of, and to understand, more often than not, that the people they're asking just don't know.

Now, that said, there are many negative experiences I've had with religious Christians over the years. A Dominionist off-post cult had a number of unit soldiers' piety interfering with their duties, and their commitment to the Great Commission and conversion attempts of me and other even insufficiently saved Christians was an egregious abuse of power. A Baptist Chaplain overtly tried to convert me, and then later used the ambiguities of a yet-to-be-ended DADT to start a witch hunt against a fellow chaplain from an LGBT-friendly denomination. A Jewish psychologist offering services to returning vets with PTSD in California as part of the Yellow Ribbon program was harassed by an Evangelical colonel because he wanted his participants to fit a particular religious mold.

You aren't responsible for any of this, and neither are the majority of Christians with whom we serve. In fact, these days, our Christian chaplains very often are the most helpful when it comes to ensuring my own observance. When my unit was mobilized for Katrina, it was a Christian chaplain and his (as it turned out himself ordained) assistant that drove me from New Orleans to Mandeville for services with a Jewish congregation.

I wish being American was a better common denominator sometimes. We all just need to be better neighbors.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Jun 6 at 2015 8:29 AM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 08:29:21 -0400

Cognitive Dissonance. Which I have found to exist in an inversely proportional relation to base IQ.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2015 3:16 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Jun 2015 15:16:11 -0400

Who cares. Just a bunch of people looking to argue about something.

Response by PO2 Jo Wi made Jun 10 at 2015 1:49 PM

PO2 Jo Wi — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:49:49 -0400

Many Xtians are a bunch of dirty hypocrites, that's why. The fact you said that it saddens you that people like myself lack faith is enough to dislike you; I do not need any pity from you. Concepts like afterlife are imaginary; ways for people to feel their lives have any meaning.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jun 30 at 2015 12:52 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:52:37 -0400

1LT Nick Kidwell, I do because those that claim to be Christian are not Christ like, fact so call Christian are the ones that use the phrase Religious Freedom as justification for discrimination against other including women. If you love thy neighbor as taught by Jesus there is no need for claiming Religious Freedom.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 3:45 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 03:45:09 -0400

O sweet! Another one of 'these' threads!
- She

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Oct 2 at 2015 1:20 AM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:20:18 -0400

Why do Atheists go out of their way to try and do away with anything and everything Christian?
Some Atheists don't care and mind their own business...but there are groups of Atheists who lobby against anything Christian or religious. WHY? No one is forcing them to believe... Why can't Atheists just do what they want, believe in what they want and let Christians and other religious groups do what they want? Why force people to take down nativity scenes and many other things at Christmas time...you don't have to join in...you don't have to share....why does it bother Atheists so much? Why take away the joy...the fun...the holiday season and other things....like Easter or other religious holidays? Why does it upset you so much? Just let things be...it's not hurting you. Why does it make Atheists so angry?

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 2 at 2015 1:27 AM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 01:27:27 -0400

Well, as a Catholic, I can say that I have not always been as open to other faiths as I am today, but that is just a part of growing up. What gets to me, is not that others want to practice their own faith, or lack of, but that they find something apparently offensive about me practicing my own beliefs. Case in point, the Ten Commandments type things in government buildings. One, this nation was founded on Judaeo-Christian values, there is no arguing that, and it IS a part of our nations history. Two, is there something inherently offensive about saying that people shouldn't lie, cheat or steal? Three, be my guest to put up the Star of David or whatever religious monuments you wish in regards to your religion. Things like not being allowed to pray in school, or not being allowed to open an event in prayer... what ever happened to being respectfully quiet and not participating? When a Jehovah's Witness comes to my door I invite them in and offer them something to drink and let them give me their speech (if I am not busy) and then politely decline, I don't write my Congressman asking for door-to-door ministry work to be made illegal. This nation was not founded on the lack of religious values, but the plurality of religious beliefs and acceptance of them. You practice yours, I'll practice mine. What is it about that, that seems to be so offensive?

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Oct 2 at 2015 2:36 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Fri, 02 Oct 2015 02:36:17 -0400

It feeds their ego to condescend to people they have a chip on their shoulder against.