Why does it seem like Junior Enlisted do not participate on RP discussions?

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Updated at 825 a.m. 16 May 15 The results show it is fear of influence from the senior military. So now my question is what is the issue her?

Updated at 210 p.m. 14 May 15 Believe it or not the polls are pretty even. We have so many good comments and participation that all levels can learn something from. Take the time to read the comments and then give your input.

Updated at 1040 a.m. 14 May 15 This is all great feedback so far keep it coming and thank you to the Junior Enlisted who have responded so far. I encourage you all to participate because your opinion does count.

Response by SFC A.M. Drake made May 14 at 2015 10:09 AM

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For fear of being ridiculed or treated like there opinion does not matter. Then to it could be the Y/Z generation

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:12 AM

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They may not realize how to participate in the discussion via the rally point app. I just learned myself...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:11 AM

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Most lower enlisted do not know about RP, I was informed about it from my former commander. As for the lower enlisted like myself on the site, I honestly think it's fear of discussion with higher ups.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:13 AM

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I am new to RP and make sure to choose my words and responses wisely because of my lack of knowledge along with being in since breakfast. I did not even know it existed until I saw someone repost an article on Facebook from RP. I joined because it seemed like a good network with applicable discussions.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made May 14 at 2015 10:17 AM

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Don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of junior enlisted participating in disucssions.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:21 AM

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Combo of lack of knowledge of the Army and RP itself. I found out about this community through an ad by chance while on an unrelated website.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made May 14 at 2015 10:21 AM

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I have noticed quite a few more jumping into the conversations of late. This is a good thing as I feel RP has a heck of a lot to offer lower enlisted folks. They have an opportunity to interact with people of all ranks and experience levels that just wasn't there when we were new to this life.

Response by SFC(P) Jonathan P. made May 14 at 2015 10:24 AM

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The rea son being we do not participate to much in discussions of higher ranking personnel for the fact that as junior enlisted we are always told to do as where told and don't ask to much questions maybe if we where able to be heard and if our opinions where to be taking seriously then at that point it would make it easier for junior enlisted to participate SFC !

Response by SFC Steve Bracero made May 14 at 2015 10:25 AM

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Well I would assume it's because they feel their voice won't be acknowledged because of their rank. I personally believe we could learn from all.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:31 AM

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I don't think many lower enlisted are afraid of being ridiculed by senior leadership as most realize this is more of a place to learn in a more knowledge and experience rich environment. Personally, I would feel better asking a general question on RP than at my unit. Here, you get many opinions and answers without judgement. My last squad leader I asked a question that my NCOIC did not know and the reply I got was "maybe we should take back that promotion."

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:34 AM

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I attend to increase my knowledge on topics.

Other junior enlisted might feel intimidated at discusding things oprnly with NCOs and officers, for fear of repercussion.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:33 AM

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When considering the answer to this question I think you should reflect on how the lower ranks are and have been treated within the military in general.

When you served or now as you are serving, were/are the lower ranks considered or do they participate in discussions? And, if so how is their input received?

Just a point to ponder.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:34 AM

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I dont know I have seen a few junior enlisted with over 100k in points.

But on a side note, I think that as an NCO it may be something to look at for SGT'S Time... dont know if they still have it but I know that when i become an NCO i am going to be sending all of my Soldiers ( and I use that term vaugely) an invite to Rally Point and asking them all to join it. Not just for the interaction but its a way to network especially if you are planning on staying in long term. For alot of the Junior Enlisted that I have talked to they are afraid of the rank that floats around on some of these posts and dont want to sound like they are fresh off the boat per say. I think we as a community can do more to push this website then we have been.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:35 AM

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Honestly, Sgt, I think it's because we aren't held to the same standards. We aren't in charge of anything or anyone and we aren't in leadership roles. As a junior enlisted my responsibility is to show up right time, right uniform. I feel as though I am not privy to the same Intel as NCOs and the opinion and a junior enlisted doesn't matter.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:37 AM

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Because it seems from my observations, that whenever a junior enlisted asks a question, they are ridiculed, their experience questioned, or someone of a higher rank pulls rank on them and it's wrong on all levels. People come on here to learn and grow as SMs as well as network not to be bashed or name called or rank pulled.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:35 AM

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I truly believe that is has to deal with two things the lack of knowledge and experience and the fear that they will get in trouble! While most of us conduct ourselves in a accordingly manner there are those that feel since they do have rank that they are better than the Junior enlisted.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:36 AM

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I know when I was in their shoes the last thing I wanted to do with my very little, precious free time was to engage in conversations with SNCOs. My sleep, friends, and gym time were way too important to sacrifice. I did sometimes corner and pester officers on how I could steal their jobs, but otherwise avoided them as well.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:45 AM

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I think it's a mix of fear of conversation with those of higher rank and also a lack of awareness of this community. It is also possible that many may simply avoid the site because they lack the knowledge of how to comment on topics respectfully, tactfully, and professionally.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:46 AM

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1SG Private RallyPoint Member SFC I think it is lack of knowledge as well as fear like most have posted, but some don't care or others don't see a point. Myself I've been on here a minute and my last unit encouraged lower enlisted to ask questions I joined rally point after seeing a post about it on Facebook so I joined and have learned a lot that I apply everyday during work or away from work.

Response by PO1 Jason Taylor made May 14 at 2015 10:46 AM

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It is hard for them to comment on subjects that they don't have a lot of experience in.

Response by SGT Richard H. made May 14 at 2015 10:48 AM

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My guess relates to the age group. I would think that many would find Facebook, Twitter, Etc. more interesting.

With that being said, I very much like seeing the the few that do post here. This is a resource that can help them in their career by leaps and bounds compared to the "old days".

Response by SGT William Howell made May 14 at 2015 10:49 AM

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Right now they are hiding. Jez, you act like you don't know how PFC works?

Response by PFC Zanie Young made May 14 at 2015 10:49 AM

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A lot of times, junior enlisted often have fear of their superiors catching them in the way of expressing themselves anywhere. It is also from the lack of knowledge about the subject at hand. When I was in, my opinions didn't always matter, as long as I followed orders. I may not always been right, but it was, most of the time, it was "always seen, never heard".

Response by SPC Nate Lamphier made May 14 at 2015 10:51 AM

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I found out through a friend. While I was serving I did not know this site existed. Perhaps that could be an area of emphasis for this sites expansion?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:51 AM

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One great example is the enlisted guy that asked how to get his PSG off his ass. Asking a question here didn't work out for him, but it did make a SSG feel powerful.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:55 AM

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It's hard to even vote. I'm sure there are many different reasons for man different people. It's easy to give yourself a bad name here, as some certainly have, and maybe it's wiser to avoid that. Lack of experience, certainly plausible, and with that said, maybe more actually reading (and benefiting? ) grin the shared knowledge but just don't have anything to add. Lack of interest? Yonger people generally have different interests than opinions on prismatic development. They're possibly getting saturated with on the job training that is more than sufficient for their development. Frankly we could all do just fine without RP. There's also some people that are just plain a**holes here that sometimes belittle the opinions or thoughts from those who don't have much first hand experience. Why should anyone bother entertain that? It's also getting cluttered a lot of junk that's better suited for FB and the sort that could really be filed in "who gives a s***?" drawer that detracts it as a source of professional advice or development, and is useless in terms of making RP unique in its intent. Cleaning that up would be of help, but this is all opinion I suppose.

Response by SPC David Knippers made May 14 at 2015 10:54 AM

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Lack of knowledge on subjects

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 14 at 2015 10:56 AM

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All of the above. Some may not know about RP yet, some could be afraid of being influenced or ratted out by others, and the facebook and twitter are more conducive to civilians and are geared towards civilians and as newly minted soldiers can communicate directly with family whereas here they would only be in contact with other military personnel. So much for my .02!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:58 AM

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It's a little of everything. Mainly for me, I don't want to look stupid. I'm also on here to learn and become a better soldier. I will read the comments, but often not respond because I don't have any knowledge about it.

Response by SPC Candace Leach made May 14 at 2015 11:00 AM

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It can be lack of knowledge and/or experience or if they have an opinion and someone who is higher ranking belittle them because their opinion is wrong or doesn't matter, it would decrease their morale. Also we've been taught since bootcamp (I don't know what Army basic was like since I went to Marine bootcamp) to respect and at the same time our Drill Instructors put some of that fear into us but that was to break us down and build us back up. Or they might not like what some leaders have to say or the discussion does not pertain to them. Even some Non-NCOs usually don't want to participate in discussions. I've never heard of RP until my old GySgt. sent me an email a out it because I was having a hard time finding a job. RP is a great tool for Non-NCOs to use to participate and even learn something from RP. It depends on the Marine, Soldier, Sailor, and Airman.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:00 AM

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I personally don't know very much about what other people are asking about. Because of that I don't want to put out incorrect information.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:00 AM

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I have seen a lot of senior leaders talk down to people on here. Behavior like that is discouraging. Plus, when a junior person does post something, many people tear them apart for what they wrote, or the comments are all "be tactful blah blah blah." The question they ask doesn't seem to really get answered.

Response by PV2 Chris Soule made May 14 at 2015 11:01 AM

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No sense of authority.

Response by SGT Chris Reese made May 14 at 2015 11:02 AM

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I think they don't really know RP exist.

Response by SPC Justin MacKellar made May 14 at 2015 11:04 AM

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I believe the lower enlisted are: 1) Not aware of this resources and
2) Many of them seem to be too intimidated to comment or begin discussions. To be honest some of the discussions and comments make this resource a bit unpalatable to the lower enlisted (especially non-NCOs).

Response by SPC Christian Ziegler made May 14 at 2015 11:04 AM

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You guys remember that incident a while back where a Senior Enlisted trolled the net busted lower Enlisted and then got a award for it. Yeah it's probably because of things like that. When speaking out gets you hammered you tend not to stick your neck out.

As for me, well I'm in the land of what you going to do to me? So I don't care who I make mad. I'll speak my peace and if someone does not like it well call me names, give me thumbs down, send me a message, tell me to my face what ever makes you happy.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:04 AM

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I just enjoy reading other service members thoughts and opinions.

Response by MSG Brian Breaker made May 14 at 2015 11:06 AM

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They are having more fun on facebook, Instagram and Twitter. I am not sure they understand the need for networking on RallyPoint yet.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:09 AM

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I don't know shit

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:12 AM

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Personally, I pick and choose what I reply to based on the content. I prefer to read articles and see what others have to say before jumping in. Not for fear of being ridiculed of any sort because this is a professional environment. Some things peak my interest enough to write a response others do not. I think getting used to how this app works plays a role too because when I first explored RP it was a tad confusing.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made May 14 at 2015 11:13 AM

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Many "seniors" here forget that this is not an official military website. It is geared towards military people and there's a difference.

So when a "junior" asks a question and it is answered with "I know your leadership and I'll call them and get you in trouble"... That is very discouraging.

Bullying does exist online as we all know.

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Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:15 AM

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I think that it is because most lower enlisted do not know about RP.

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made May 14 at 2015 11:16 AM

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Personally I feel all three of the above play a part. We'd love to get the junior enlisted and Millennials more engaged on RallyPoint. Thanks for your question. I'm interested in the responses.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:16 AM

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At least for me- I will chime in every now and then when I have an opinion, but involvement can be unseen. As in the army, it can be advisable for junior enlisted to spend time listening before speaking. A lot of times I go through and read different points of view. Gives me a chance to learn and see other perspectives before I chime in.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:22 AM

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Perhaps they are more focused on their career? CDCs, or whatever is branch specific? Perhaps they are inactively participating? Reading the boards & gleaning info?

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:28 AM

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I like interacting with people on RP. I came into the Army at the age of 32 so a lack of knowledge or life experience is not a deterrent for me personally. I may lack Army experience but that's why I am on RP to begin with. It seems like most junior enlisted I talk to really don't care and want to get out of the Army when their contract is up.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:31 AM

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I wasn't told myself. A Sgt of mine put me on. One of the greatest leaders I have ever met

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:31 AM

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I enjoy RP, and I find myself skimming through topics a lot. The reason I do not choose to post often is either the subject doesn't pertain to me or I feel like I do not have enough experience in the Army or MOS to give an educated and impactful response. If I am really good at something and have years of experience, I often won't listen to advice from someone who barely has their feet wet. I won't be rude about it, but just nod and let it go in one ear and out the other. So in sense sometimes posting on here I feel would be wasted breath if I have spent less than 6 months out of AIT.

Response by SPC David S. made May 14 at 2015 11:34 AM

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I think it is a combination of all the above. I think more than likely the biggest is the age and maturity of jr sm's. More interested in physical relationships and having fun RP doesn't provide much in supporting these interests. While there are a number of post requiring experience to participate there is the opportunity to ask questions. However I feel the way RP is set-up, jr sm's expose themselves to senior leadership when not intending to do so. They come here seeking advice from the peers yet seniors are privy to their gripes and thus interject. Sometimes seniors need to back off and let the jr's resolve their issues within their peer group. The social dynamics of the military are striped away on RP and we all hang out in one big combined officer's, NCO and jr sm club. This has its pros and cons -

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made May 14 at 2015 11:36 AM

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I think a lot of it is fear of superiors telling them they're wrong. The reason I do partake is that while I got out as an E-3, my life experience since I'm 40 goes well beyond the rank I got out as so I do not feel intimidated by someones rank.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:39 AM

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From what I have seen, when a lower enlisted soldier mainly the PFC and PV2 types comment or participate their comments will be rediculed or picked apart.

Response by SGT Neil Chandler made May 14 at 2015 11:44 AM

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I try to post and read as much as I can to add to the various discussions on here. I also tell all of my fellow soldiers about RP. I really like this.
On the subject of the discussion, I feel a lot doesn't post or reply due to the fact that they don't feel like their opinions matter because of the way some get treated. Of course, if you act a fool, your gonna get treated like a fool.
Or maybe some may lack maturity....

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:48 AM

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RP is a site for active, veterans, and retired military. I suspect that there is a much larger percentage of senior folks here than what one would find in active duty.

Perhaps the perception is just a function of the demographics of the members.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:49 AM

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Another thing to add to the many fantastic comments:

Senior enlisted/officers are old. HA HA!

But seriously, young people spend most of there time jumping between apps, not forums. This place just doesn't appeal to a lot of people.

Also, having to associate their social lifestyle and their online lifestyle together so closely (with possibly very drastic results) can cause a person to pause. I joined this site seems like years ago. Only became actively engaged when I got a regular 9-to-5 and don't have UCMJ hanging over my head anymore.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:59 AM

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What is RP?

Response by SPC Fred Krauer made May 14 at 2015 12:00 PM

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I know everyone has a different experience when joining the military. Mine can be summed up with - abuse from leadership for not having knowledge, abuse FOR having knowledge, abuse just for NCO fun. I had little to no development. What I had, I got from looking up the regs myself. I would have loved to have conversations with leadership above team leader level. Instead I avoided any contact with them.

Having said that, even though I'm under the safety of my DD214 blanket, I still avoid conversations with senior enlisted for fear they are the type of NCO's I had. I applaud the junior enlisted that are commenting. If abusive responses can be flagged and other NCO'S can rebuke the offender and develop the SM, I'm sure more junior enlisted will participate, especially if they are the type of soldier I was... starving for guidance and knowledge.

Response by SPC Lisa Nolasco made May 14 at 2015 12:05 PM

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Because one, the app is too slow and two if I respond to a question, im afraid I'll get hounded by an E7 ive never met.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 12:09 PM

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I think it is because many junior enlisted soldiers do not think the seniors value their input.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made May 14 at 2015 12:08 PM

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I would vote all three. Professional development forums and this sort of interaction aren't something that necessarily interests your average 23 year old.

Incidents where an NCO hunts down their PSG and gets them in trouble for asking a question that contained maybe just a little TMI don't help either.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 12:11 PM

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I've not seen many E1-E3's on here.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 12:11 PM

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A lot of soldiers have no idea what RP is. I mean not just E4 and below but not a lot of soldiers period. Also a lot of the discussion on here might go over some younger soldiers heads. I embrace it as a chance to soak up info I didn't know when I'm lost in the sauce.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made May 14 at 2015 12:12 PM

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Thinking back to when I was in their boots, I think it has to do with a feeling that they do not have anything to offer. To which I say, bring on because you do have something to add which is a fresh perception that we the old have lost. You are our future, and you need to pick our brains while we still can use them, and most important you might just help to set us straight in case we have gone down the wrong path. "Out of the Mouth of Babes"

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 14 at 2015 12:18 PM

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Many of the lower enlisted are taking baby steps like how do I get to this Army Post, what is the Post like, what can I expect out of my MOS.

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made May 14 at 2015 12:19 PM

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For some folks I know, fear of reprisal. Yes it has happened.

Response by SPC Chad Kolod made May 14 at 2015 12:26 PM

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I have been pretty active after starting on RP myself. I think in my case I'm a little too opinionated and needed an outlet... But I'm working through it. Lol. Put yourself out there, there is a lot of great people on RP with some really great insight! More lower enlisted should start discussions so that they can get some good mentoring from our more senior crowd!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 12:30 PM

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Most don't know about RP. Personally I usually don't answer these because if you say anything that could take offense to others than you are going down, and it would be easier to find that individual than on other media such as Facebook.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 1:00 PM

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Myself personally I respond as much as my knowledge permits. I believe other service members may not feel as comfortable to do so by fear of being ridiculed or to say the wrong thing.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 1:14 PM

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I agree with SPC Oxendine. Most dont know about RP, or dont know about the subject matter.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 1:14 PM

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Well it is what it is in reality, we're lower enlisted, we're only allowed to do what we're told. Too many leaders love to flex and thinks it's disrespect to their leadership when we present them an exceptional idea FOR Example, Field days... high Speed Private me, without being told preps for our squad mission, squad leader busy with accountability, I leaped into the leaders tent to grab ammo for the squad, Lt comes in and gives me shit about who gave me the orders, told me to drop the ammo cans and gtfo, as soon as I got out, squad leader yells grab the ammo! Surely taught me one thing. That a private is supposedly stupid and unreasonable.

And...
RP is too slow, takes me 4 clicks plus loading time to go anywhere on here, by the time the page loads up, I'm ready to close it.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 1:27 PM

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1SG Private RallyPoint Member I really think is the lack of discussions that would appeal to the Junior Enlisted. Deployment, Veterans Benefits, PCS, ETS, etc. Most of us haven't deployed yet, have PCSed maybe once, ETS not even close, etc. I think we should, as I've tried with my last discussions, bring topics that we can relate. Tag them, I look for the top influencers in the lower ranks and tag them as an invitation to comment. There's a lot of space to improve.

Response by PFC Alex Rivers made May 14 at 2015 1:39 PM

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I try to participate in discussions that I have personal experience in or have knowledge of. I do tend to lurk on subjects I don't know much about sometimes, just to see if I can pick up anything from it. Rank may have another reason to do with it as it can be quite intimidating to a junior enlisted to have conversation with some of the brass and senior nco's.

Response by SSG John Jensen made May 14 at 2015 1:51 PM

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for all of the jr enlisteds out there that don't participate - many lifetimes ago i was part of the IG inspection interviews - the NCOs were interviewed by the IG SGM, the Officers were interviewed by the IG XO, and the SP4s and below were interviewed by the IG himself (where would all of the complaints come from?) there were a number of things we complained about that after the IG inspection was over were changed: the sports PT tues and thurs. didn't happen that the army started didn't happen in my bn until after that, I received and AAM and an Expert Drivers badge after that ( the unofficial official 82d policy is 'you don't need medals, you have jump wings, and we got to go on bn fun jumps ( before the officers would all sign up and sign up their friends and friends in other bns, and the only enlisted on the flight would be the Air Force air crew, and on a tactical note jump, the only officer on the jump would be your CO or plt ldr, and after that inspection the jump situation was switched and on fun jumps every body was lower enlisted, and on a tactical nite jump you might see the bn cdr

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 1:56 PM

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I think they are likely intimidated by some of the senior rank here (if still active) or hopefully they are using both ears to obtain knowledge/experience from those who out rank them? I know when I first moved into my first assignment and my latest I use my ears more than my mouth and then slowly intermingle myself in. I was the same way here. I like to learn about the people and groups I will be interacting with prior to really coming out of my shell and interjecting myself into the mix.

I know when I got to my first assignment at the Center HQ all of the rank around me kind of blew my mind! BMT/Tech school the highest ranks we normally were around was a MSgt at most then I was surrounded my Capts, Lt Cols, Cols, and the Lt General so it was definitely a culture shock. It may have been bad for other assignments from being comfortable with speaking with those with senior rank, although if you keep your customs and courtesies I can only see it as beneficial in the long run

Response by SPC Jeff Paulsen made May 14 at 2015 2:13 PM

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It appears that if junior enlisted give their honest opinions, as myself in the past, you get some higher ranking yahoo....voting u down points. But if I were a SFC or above making comments the same rank or high might be more lenient in judgment? I could have been Commissioned in the USAR, as an RN, but could get my weight to the ridiculous low level they wanted. So, I decided not to go that route. Just a thought.

Response by MSG Morgan Fiszel, CPCM, CFCM made May 14 at 2015 2:16 PM

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Because they believe video games are cooler.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 2:22 PM

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Probably lack of involvement really

Response by SSG Steven Borders made May 14 at 2015 2:27 PM

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To most younger generations I feel they are more into Facebook and Twitter. I prefer here than those. I use Facebook to keep in touch with family. But for the most part I am on here more. But again I am almost 36 so that could be a difference as well.

I also think junior enlisted don't know how to interact with superiors. I am used to it because of where I work. I work with COL's, MAJ's, CPT's (And other Branch equivalents) on a daily basis. So I could see where they would be intimidated.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 2:32 PM

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The same reason that they would not do so offline. From the units I have been with and observed, the only reason why anyone enlisted would be talking to a Field Grade or Senior Non-Commissioned Officer is when they are trouble. So it should not be surprised if they many do not want to talk online with Field Grade or Senior Non-Commissioned Officer, more so when it is someone in your unit.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 3:30 PM

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Personally I scroll through topics or ask questions about career development for myself. I just haven't had to much of an opportunity to find and try out the right answers and I would rather not give someone the wrong answer because of my inexperience.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 3:42 PM

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I think there are some topics that may be over a soldiers understanding. Some question by a Battalion Staff Officer about operations in relation with Brigade assets may be something they have never dealt with. But still just about every question is something that their input would be valued.

I will just say when I was a PFC stuff like this was pretty low on my list. As a young Paratrooper at Fort Bragg I have a couple other things on my mind. None of which were developmental in any way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 3:59 PM

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It's a hassle dealing with seniors that 'know everything' in person. Doing it on their off time online would be no different, I surmise. :-)

Response by MSgt Keith Hebert made May 14 at 2015 4:15 PM

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After reading most of the responses I believe it is the three things most commonly said
1 lack of experience
2 does not know about RP
3 afraid of belittlement or what is said will be used against them

Response by SFC Charles S. made May 14 at 2015 4:50 PM

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Because they have much better stuff to do, they are young and trying to make or practice at making biological specimen copies of themselves. There is also the Reason why young People left faceBook in Droves... because the Old people started using it. There is always something more hip and unique than what your elders are into.

Response by SPC Todd Hanson made May 14 at 2015 4:57 PM

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I would not say lack of knowledge but with that said anyone new to a job will need to learn the skills and knowledge of the job.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 5:12 PM

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Being ridiculed might be the biggest reason why they do not add to discussions. Everyone's viewpoint should be valued. Well, as long as they are respectful and mind their manners.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made May 14 at 2015 5:24 PM

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The nature of this forum invites some candid conversations. Unfortunately, that can go directly against the grain of military protocol: I have my DD-214. Now, I am a civilian. To this, I don't have any issue addressing anyone in a familiar manner... nor, I could care less about anyone addressing me with familiarity. However, some active-duty members (at least by some of their responses) apparently demand protocol be maintained. Bottom line: Albeit this is a military-themed site, it is just another form of social media.

But to the Question: I've see junior ranks take a verbal beat-down at the words of seniors. Similarly, I've seen some senior members say some things that, bluntly, aren't consistent with their (current or former) pay-grades. It can be an unfriendly site for the younger/junior members. A youngster asks a question ...and too many take it as an opportunity to "square the kid away" via their keyboard.

Response by TSgt Trevor Vander made May 14 at 2015 5:44 PM

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This isn't all that " trendy" as of yet - once it catches on - if it does - I'm sure you will be overwhelmed by the amount of - on the clock - post coming from junior members;-)

Response by 1LT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 5:45 PM

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Battle,

SSGs and SGTs appear to be the target audience on these symposiums. Both of which are, by definition, junior enlisted. However, I believe you are referring to the lower enlisted ranks PVT-CPL. From my foxhole there are quite a bit that partake in RP dialogues.

Response by SGT John Wesley made May 14 at 2015 5:58 PM

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Did you not see that Ssg slam that PFC in a post a few weeks ago? I think if I were a Pvt, I'd see that and delete the app.

Response by 1SG Kenneth Talkington Sr made May 14 at 2015 6:29 PM

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I believe most of the younger soldiers are not aware of this site. I just found out about it recently. There also may be a fear of retribution it they say something the higher ups do not like.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 6:33 PM

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If it never popped up while scrolling on Facebook I would have never knew about it. Some know and have been on here, but some of the high ups aren't friendly and are very rude/disrespectful to what the junior enlisted have to say. Me personally, well I love reading on here

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 6:56 PM

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Alot of my guys didn't know about it. Had to put that word out.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made May 14 at 2015 6:59 PM

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I assume you're referring to active duty... I'm sure some people would prefer I shut up. :-)

Response by 1LT William Clardy made May 14 at 2015 7:43 PM

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Active junior enlisted servicemembers would seem less likely to have as much opportunity during the day to read and comment on online forums as the officers and more senior enlisted who doing their work while attached to the Internet.

Response by CCMSgt Michael Sullivan Ph.D made May 14 at 2015 8:30 PM

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I see a lot of Jr. NCO participation. I think it lack of knowledge of the website.

Response by SSG Derek Scheller made May 14 at 2015 8:37 PM

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Already left my comment earlier, but as I feel it is a combination of all those as well as not even knowing about RP.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 9:05 PM

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I am a SOLDIER first regardless of my rank and if anyone that out ranks be decides to as I have seen it put "bash me" for a question I'm asking I laugh because of the lack of discipline and leadership that SM has any question is somewhat a good question but no question is ignorance

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 9:28 PM

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I like RP because it's flooded with people who have endless amounts of information and wisdom.On here I ask questions because it never ceases to amaze who will answer and who's willing to help a stranger and face but not in uniform ,I could name a lot of leaders and peers on here who have come to my aid and helped me with questions and offered me advice that you can't sometimes get from the people around you.Most of the time I do not like to comment is because I either do not know the
anything about the subject,we have lives outside the military that has given ourselves experience and for someone to tell you just because they're higher rank then you that means they know more and been through more is not always true,so me I leave it alone and I keep it moving .I have nothing but respect for EVERYONE on this site because at the end of the day no matter what branch were in,rank we are of all out person we are,we all serve to help the person next to us.Thats is one of the main reason why I joined the military.

Response by COL Charles Williams made May 14 at 2015 9:35 PM

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Although I don't want it to be that, I would say a social media site, with senior leaders commenting, would be a deterrent. I try to honor and respect all comments and posts, and help to enable understanding when that is necessary. At the same time, I need, we need the candor from all levels. I hope guys like me are not putting a chill on RP. I enjoy the discussions. I enjoy helping, and I learn a lot from everyone on here. 1SG Private RallyPoint Member.

That said, in 1980, I started my Army career as an E-1. I feel I have a duty to repay a huge debt to our Army.

Response by LTC Gavin Heater made May 14 at 2015 9:42 PM

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The great thing about RP is the access to all MOSs in all ranks and in all Services. No one should fear retribution from their commentary as long as they are respectful of others and to others. I wish something like this existed when I first started Soldiering in 1984.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:07 PM

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I think it is because there are a lot of "senior leaders" who post here who are quick to hide behind their rank and their ERBs to win internet arguments even though they are as wrong as two boys...well...you know the old saying.

Response by SSG VNicia Young made May 14 at 2015 10:46 PM

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I participate.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 10:55 PM

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I think they are more involved with going out and about, Facebook and other things that are associated with the norm. This is not a norm.

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made May 14 at 2015 11:08 PM

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I try to participate as much as possible, to give out advice to any sm that need advice, or even to get advice.

Response by 1SG Cameron M. Wesson made May 14 at 2015 11:15 PM

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Back in the day... That was a Thursday a million years ago... When I was a PFC in my first company... I listened to the conversations that the NCOs were having and that between the PL and PSG and SLs. I learned so much... Some good and some bad... But I learned. Maybe this generation is learning from a broader and more diverse pool of talent... however they are doing so By reading... and this forum is the next stage in mentorship.

With this thought in mind, maybe we senior and dinosaurs should consider first what we read... and ask some fact finding questions... Before jumping to a conclusion\assumption on what a younger soldier,sailor,airman, or marine states\ask before responding in a less than professional manner... or dismissing their position. Maybe we should remember how we felt when we were summarily dismissed. We have an opportunity to help... and influence.... Let's not screw that up and miss the chance. Let's start with the next generation... in a better fashion than how many of us were treated.

My 2 cents

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 11:52 PM

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Reprisal from the big green weenie.

Response by SGT Justin Lamb made May 15 at 2015 1:00 AM

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I find RP rather fun. I chime in from time to time.

Response by PO1 John Miller made May 15 at 2015 2:25 AM

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I definitely feel that junior, active duty service members are afraid to engage in discussion, particularly if they have a different opinion on a topic. I've seen it before on other social networking sites, in particular Together We Served.

Members would post their opinions in the political forum and their superiors would see their comments. If the superior had a different opinion they would find some reason to "punish" the junior member and give them EMI (Extra Military Instruction) to correct a perceived deficiency.

Response by PO1 John Miller made May 15 at 2015 2:28 AM

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Other opinions I've seen in this thread say that some junior personnel aren't aware of RP.

I actually discovered RP through Facebook.

Response by SPC Angel Guma made May 15 at 2015 2:32 AM

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SFC Michael Loveless,

Getting canned for even a harmless comment is very easy on here for anyone serving actively, either NG, Reserve or AD. There was even a very long and bitter thread on here on just this subject a month or two ago. A PFC had posted a question on here, and although he could have used more tact in his question, many thought he was simply trying to reach out to the military community. Instead, someone on here looked up his chain of command and called his NCOIC on him, which could have easily escalated the poor dude's plight.

Many times though, they are also simply young and or inexperienced. They are more interested in learning or getting feedback from older NCOs and Officers and are less interested in a reciprocal exchange.

Or, it could be they are distracted. I would say fear of being put unjustly into a negative light weighs on a few minds.

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2015 7:15 AM

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I think once they are done with work, they just don't want to talk about it also.

Response by SPC Louis Rushano made May 15 at 2015 9:40 AM

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Its other people "tattle telling" to the posters unit. Very common thing sadly.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2015 12:44 PM

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I think it's the fear of influence. Especially here on Rallypoint, versus a more anonymous medium like Reddit or Twitter. Even on FB, where you can restrict posts to be viewable just by your friends, and you can control your friends list, is more anonymous. It also doesn't help when we have several examples of people getting real world consequences for things said (or typed) online.

Response by SSG James Courtney made May 15 at 2015 2:33 PM

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Many reasons, I would have to say the OPTEMPO is very high as we are worldwide, and that great motorpool keeping your equipment operational. The internet is very slow in barracks, slower than dial up time to time, when conducting Leader Checks on the soldiers you ask many many questions about their living conditions, as well as inspect their rooms; Additionally, I would say video games, and most questions are answered through Chain of Command starting with Team Leader, Squad Leader.

Response by SSG James Courtney made May 15 at 2015 3:38 PM

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Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2015 8:03 PM

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It's just statistics! I personally believe that significantly fewer junior enlisted use RallyPoint, so fewer can be online or participate at any given time.

I've invited many of those who I went to basic training and AIT with, but very few joined. In my current company, I only know of five other people who use the site, and only one is a junior (not including myself, obviously).

Furthermore, I think that this is because most junior enlisted service members don't see the benefits of having a RallyPoint account, or don't know what it is. (Does "What's a LinkedIn?" ring a bell?)

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 15 at 2015 11:42 PM

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I think some of them are worried about saying something their higher ups may disagree with, although personally I don't think that's a reason to avoid saying something, as long as it's said respectfully.

I think some of it also has to do with Facebook and Twitter (I guess...I have Twitter, but pretty much made a profile and left it alone) might be more interesting to them. But I think once they've been in the military a bit longer, maybe started rotating out into the civilian world a bit, they'll start craving the contact with other veterans this site provides.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made May 16 at 2015 12:39 AM

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They still work for a living. ; )

Response by PFC Kyle Klofstad made May 16 at 2015 3:03 AM

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I think it is fair to say that a number of lower enlisted soldiers don't feel comfortable, do not want, or fear that if they do, post on RP that they could face repercussions should their leadership disapprove of their opinions. In a lot of situations, a private or specialist voicing an opinion opposing their leadership, they are considered "disrespectful" and are counseled and/or punished for it. In these cases, what is to stop the same thing from happening when they voice those opinions here on psuedo-public forum?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 3:12 AM

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I disagree. I think the Junior enlisted are participating because I'm one of the ones who does.

What I do see is that the familiar and established names tend to dominate the top comments since they are sorted by thumbs, so the junior enlisted and other new members tend to get pushed much further down the page.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 3:36 AM

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Because we're busy cleaning battalion restrooms after officers, getting meals for officers while on deployment, cutting the battalion grass area while staff duty and extra duty sits idly, and busy picking pieces of track rubber in the motor pool when the rest of the battalion has been zonked on a Friday.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 11:26 AM

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Well, also keep in mind that the site states it is "professional", but what may they see? A bunch of senior folks and veterans/retirees goofing off? Kind of sending potentially wrong message, don't you think?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 12:47 PM

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For me part of it is ignorance of the topic at hand. The other part is me being the "sponge" I can't read what everybody is saying if I am blasting comments out. I really don't mind discussing things with higher ups, but that might be because my first unit I was in an S-3 shop and I was working closely with Sergeant Majors and Majors.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made May 16 at 2015 2:23 PM

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If I feel that I can contribute to a discussion, I usually will do so. I have two years TIS next week, so there's plenty that I don't know. We all have different life experiences, which means that we can all learn from each other. Knowing this helps me have the confidence to express my opinions and contribute facts, but others may not be confident enough to contribute to our discussions.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 3:40 PM

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I think it's honestly just that with ranks like CDR and CAPT and Master Chief posting around, I'd rather one of them not decide to destroy little old me.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made May 16 at 2015 4:20 PM

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Maybe we need a Junior Enlisted only "lounge" here on RP for active JE that are new and want to experience RP but not feel intimidated by talking in an all ranks forum. Maybe something monitored by RP staff and a selected group of SCNOs from the community representing all branches that can admin and provide mentorship for the sub site. Then when they feel comfortable enough, they can branch out into the open forums.

A lot of active junior enlisted may not have much interaction in general but with a handful of SNCOs and even fewer Os in person, let alone on an all ranks forum. Just a thought.

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made May 16 at 2015 5:01 PM

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I would say two reasons. One is of course all of the rank that is active on here that could easily find you if you posted something stupid.

The other and the one I think plays more into it is a lack of interest. Most junior enlisted aren't as 'into' the military as others. Most only join for school or whatever other reason and just aren't interested in joining a military website. I know most of the Airmen that I have worked with plain and simple have no desire to venture here, even the NCOs and Officers, because they get enough military for the day.

I also know many that don't really know this website exists or just don't care.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 5:03 PM

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I have seen Junior Enlisted Soldiers get lit up for expressing their respectful opinions that run against the higher ranking poster and no one steps in to assist the Junior and often they get railroaded out of the community. I have seen the flip side of it that a Junior Enlisted Soldier can get away with disrespecting a NCO/Officer as long as it is in line with the general census.

That is why I have moved to LinkedIn for my networking. Just my 2 cents

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2015 5:23 PM

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It may boil down to several issues; fear of being 'shot down' by senior leaders, lack of knowledge, or general fear of putting their opinions out there. I know that, personally, I have absolutely no problem in putting my opinion out there. I enjoy reading the input at all levels, and everyone's opinion is valid in the sense that they are entitled to have an opinion.

However, Newton's Law (every action has a reaction) does apply. If you put something down, people will read it and may not agree with your opinion.

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made May 16 at 2015 9:04 PM

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Do you really need to ask this? The Army just gave an Army Commendation Medal to a 1SG who trolled Social Media and called some soldiers out for not being politically correct. 1SG Moerk was raised up as a role model because she called out soldiers that had an opinion and the guts to post what they thought.

The Army today, as well as most of the Dept of Defense, have lost something...Something that is needed in a Soldier. The Army is too worried that someone might GET OFFENDED...WOW, really? You know Kim Jong Un and the North Korean People's Army are noted for being so understanding, ISIS is leading the way in being considerate of other people's feelings ... Right before they cut your head off with a bayonet.

I don't know how to best describe it other than to say that the Special Interests are using the military as a Social Experiment, and destroying it as they go.

thank God I am retired, I doubt that I could keep silent now.

Response by SGT Kristin Wiley made May 16 at 2015 9:32 PM

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The words non-attributable don't hold meaning here. Everything is public for the world to see. I've already seen one soldier ask for help, and immediately an NCO involved this soldier's chain of command instead of providing the guidance he was desperately seeking. Despite us wanting to think that RallyPoint can't have toxic leaders, they exist. A wrong word to the wrong person and their lives could be throw into a typhoon. I don't know about you, but I really don't blame them.

Response by PO2 Kimberly Miller made May 16 at 2015 11:42 PM

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I have no fear of ridicule from the higher ups. It's simply a lack of understanding a lot of what is being discussed even when following the comments threads. I was medically discharged in 2002 from the Navy. The military today is an entirely different entity then it had been while I was in. The jargon has even changed a lot. When I see the newer acronyms that are foreign to me I just elect not to respond because I haven't the full understanding of what's being discussed - especially in the comments threads.

When a discussion makes perfect sense to me, after reading the comments thread, if someone else has pointed out my own viewpoint, I don't see the point of redundancy. Mainly, of late, I haven't been following RP too much.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 2:02 AM

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But also what SPC Oxendine saids, lack of knowledge of Rally Point itself. But its not just JRs, I know some SRs that weren't aware it existed either until I invited them.

Response by SPC Christopher Salustro made May 17 at 2015 2:00 AM

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I mean, i've been on here a lot! I sometimes just don't comment. I read many more topics then comment on. Though if I had to vote I'd say that some of the topics just don't apply to skill set or knowledge base.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 9:05 AM

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I assume that most either don't know about it or just don't care. It is so easy now today for privates to enter the military and not try to engage in what it can offer. Either way they are missing out.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 10:46 AM

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I would have to say its between lack of knowledge of subjects and fear of influence by Seniors. Actually, it's all three now that I look at it. Many of my military friends don't want to be on Rallypoint because of the fact they don't want to deal with Senior leadership telling them how wrong they are for having an opinion.
In my opinion many subjects I just do not have all the knowledge on and therefore can't fully participate. I only receive so much news and the stuff I do receive is never complete. I end up asking my chief for more details.
On the flip side there are a lot of senior leadership who tend to let their ranks get to their heads. I understand we should respect them, however, when they use their rank to belittle your opinion then we have a problem.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made May 17 at 2015 11:16 AM

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Don't forget about personal fear of yourself. I remember being junior enlisted. Sure there's some fear of a senior jumping down your throat, but there is a larger fear of asking stupid questions. I have personal experience in asking a number of them. I knew it was stupid but the mouth works faster than the brain when you're young. Some never grow out of it.

So the real answer is all of the above.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 1:14 PM

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It took me a while to get used to commenting when an Officer or high ranking NCO made his/her comment. Especially if the Officers/ NCO were E-8 and above. It was that way in the military when I was in. Aside from the pilots I flew with, higher rank was supposed to be treated with the ultimate respect they earned and deserved. Now here on RP, it doesn't matter. From an E-2 to General, I've learned it is ok to speak your mind as long as it is respectfully spoken. The Officers and NCO respect anyone on RP and treat the lower enlisted with respect.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 1:20 PM

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Senior NCOs out headhunting. Junior Soldiers shouldn't have to be afraid to express themselves, as long as it is appropriately, in an online forum. Senior NCOs who get a tad too offended are probably toxic anyway.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 4:51 PM

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I have only been on RP for a few months now and I love it so far. I look for the appropriate forum to post my opinion in though. I don't spout off at the mouth about things I don't understand and then expect my voice to matter. I don't think many junior enlisted troops fear ridicule as much as they fear being disregarded. At least that's that's the case for me. Everyone brings something to the fight and when I get a chance to voice my opinion all I want is for that opinion to count for something.

Response by SPC Michael Clark made May 17 at 2015 5:01 PM

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Junior Enlisted troops have quite often been retaliated against for speaking their minds our giving their honest opinions.

Have Senior Enlisted Troops forgotten where they came from?

I have proven numerous times to be more knowledgeable about certain subjects than numerous senior enlisted troops. Those NCOs were often intimidated by what I knew.

The term "barracks lawyer" wasn't coined as a compliment.

How many NCOs here like when a junior enlisted informs you that you are abusing your rank and privilege?

Response by SPC Larry Boutwell made May 18 at 2015 9:42 AM

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Party poopers?? Scared?? Antisocial???? Crazy???wait thats me sorry...

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2015 9:28 PM

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I am new to army and stumbled upon RP through facebook and downloaded it because I thought an app dedicated to military life would be a great thing for someone who is new to this all. The reason I know I find it hard to participate is lack of knowledge and not wanting to seem dumb with my lack of knowledge.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2015 7:38 AM

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In my opinion. I prefer not to answer to any of the conversations not for been afraid of NCO's but because I hate been attach and have some NCO trying to make feel ignorant and pull rank. I didn't joint the site for that. I do enjoy otherwise the ones that take the time to answer questions for us and tried to do what it should be done guide the junior enlisted. I got attack like crazy by an NCO about my points of view in education. I guess he was trying to tell me that I needed to get an education. I have almost a masters and two bachelors. I am not an officer for personal choices, but I am proud of been an enlisted soldier. We are what makes the army and I believe I the guidance of great NCO's. Some times we forget that we are professionals.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2015 3:08 PM

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Most of the time lower enlisted dont really have a say. Senior leadership in my unit is about as twisted as it can get, the lead NCO treats the lower NCO's and jr enlisted like we are boots straight out of tradoc and well there isnt one of us under 4 years in and I am at 6 years and have trained with 9 units in the states and 3 out of country. Personally I trust my leadership but the courtesy is not returned. So most of the time we as e4 and below just dont want to fight or argue. So staying quiet to save face is easier than getting counseled or U'd because we had an opinion.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made May 19 at 2015 5:13 PM

2015-05-19T17:13:22-04:00

E-1 through E-4 may not have had much to talk about yet compared to stories from the higher enlisted grades (and officers). They might be a little intimidated by fear of Influence by Seniors and :-), Facebook & Twitter may interest them more. All of the choices are excellent but lack of knowledge is the biggest driver at this point in their career although one could believe that an E-4 should/could be out of AIT by now and working in their MOS. Thanks for joining men! Jump in here!

Response by CPT Jack Durish made May 19 at 2015 6:23 PM

2015-05-19T18:23:37-04:00

I don't have a clue as to why junior enlisted personnel don't participate more. To be honest, I didn't have a clue that they weren't. That being said, I wish they would. I wish they would join veterans organizations when they separate. There's nothing that makes me feel old like hanging around with nothing but a bunch of old guys.

Now, if you're young (veteran or active duty) please get involved. You'll be more than welcome...

Response by SPC(P) Mark Newman made May 21 at 2015 1:33 AM

2015-05-21T01:33:56-04:00

For years after I got out of the service, I still felt the temptation to salute s uniformed Army officer, to make way for a sgt major, to say "Yes Sgt" or "No Sgt" to an SFC. Respect is one thing but I felt like these people were in charge. In charge of ME. I wouldn't dream of arguing w or even debating a full-bird colonel. In my chosen profession I had to change my attitude! So that's an answer from one jr enlisted man: I am embarrassed to admit it but I was intimidated by the thought of debating w officers or sr ncos.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2015 8:02 PM

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Sarcastic answer from what I've read from the last couple of days... Because they don't score a 270 on their PT Test.

In all reality soldiers are held responsible for what they put on social media. I understand what I put on here could be viewed by and have direct consequences (good or bad) from my chain of command.

There are just as many possibilities to burn bridges on RP as there are to build them.
I know most junior enlisted wouldn't think of adding military leadership as friends on Facebook or Twitter for this very reason.

Response by SPC Negel Mohammed made May 26 at 2015 6:53 AM

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junior enlisted knows that someone is watching an reading everything an is always being told keep your opinion to their selves.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2015 9:03 PM

2015-05-26T21:03:49-04:00

As my 1SG once told me, "You will never find a better opinion on the military than you will find with the junior enlisted."

There is an irrational fear in our ranks because of repercussions. How often are we told during BN or BDE censing sessions to keep quiet? But this is also why I believe that there is such a strong bond between juniors (E-4 mafia).

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2015 9:17 PM

2015-05-26T21:17:14-04:00

From what I have seen, it takes a while to get in to a place that they can find things like RP. If they know nothing about it they cant get involved.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2015 10:10 PM

2015-05-26T22:10:14-04:00

After seeing a topic from an active duty junior enlisted whom was asking advice end up having a senior enlisted who knew where said junior enlisted was and contacted junior enlisted's senior enlisted. I fear that if I ask/post/discuss anything, it could come up later in a negative way from someone who knows someone where I work. Many times I would type up a very thoughtful opinion but end up delete it because..

I fear that my opinions on this website could have consequences because of other people with connections who do not share the same opinion I do.

Response by CPL Aaron Cottingham made May 27 at 2015 4:06 AM

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Notion that my rank does not entitle me to speak. Being an E2 Vet, I may be viewed as impertinent in certain discussions.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2015 10:30 AM

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Just overall fear of coversing with senior military leadership or they just don't know about it at all.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Aug 10 at 2015 2:35 PM

2015-08-10T14:35:48-04:00

The problem rest in us because we fail to mentor them and too many use RP as a podium to vent or to criticize the new changes within the military. Sad because we are at fault and our pride blinds us.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2015 2:49 PM

2015-08-10T14:49:04-04:00

As a "former" guy, for me, I'm just honored to hear what folks on active duty are talking about, and offer my opinion if I think I've something positive (or just worth a needed laugh) to share. Any E-1 currently standing the watch has a great deal more to say than I do. However, I do think it makes sense that someone of more junior rank would tread into these discussions with caution...I know I would've been a bit apprehensive engaging seniors in discussion when I was a younger service member. Perhaps the more important point to make is that those of us here with any seniority (and isn't that relative, because you've got some very senior folks on here that still give me pause) should treat it professionally and realize the gravitas their stripes, bars, clusters or birds may add to their comments.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 11 at 2015 3:41 PM

2015-08-11T15:41:25-04:00

I think many younger soldiers don't have the requisite training on some topics. Take for an example the Principles of War, we don't subject young soldiers to those Principles.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 12:17 AM

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Not everyone is like me but being afraid to talk to "higher ups" should not be a factor. I feel like that is something I dealt with in BCT and AIT but here in my first duty station my 1SG commander and even higher ups have made it known that they are here for us, the soldiers. It might be because I am a tango in a small vip company but we have monthly classes where we interact with these individuals. Feelings aside I think its the NCO/Officers job to be people who you want to fight for and not people who you have to hide from. My vote would have been because I have never heard of RP until it popped up in my news feed; this is my first post. Even if there was a reason to be afraid weren't we taught in BCT that fear is always going to be there? We are soldiers, we were trained to overcome our fears. As a junior enlisted, even at the age of 27, even though I don't like to admit it, I make mistakes and will continue to do so, because I'm new.The only difference between higher ups and juniors is experience.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Mar 8 at 2016 6:29 AM

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This would be a good issue to repost to see if there are any significant changes or new responses since originally posted. A lot of good comments herein, esp from junior folks.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 8:31 AM

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Maybe it is out of fear. Maybe it is out of disgust.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 9:41 AM

2016-03-08T09:41:30-05:00

Most of them are too busy doing important stuff like cleaning latrines, emptying trash cans, cutting grass and painting rocks to spend time discussing policies on RP. lol

Response by SGT Chris Hill made Mar 9 at 2016 8:55 AM

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I do know that when I was in, it seemed to be due to fear of reprisal. Some take comments and opinions very seriously and will pull rank online, I've seen it. I, though, did not care about senior ranks, meaning I wasn't afraid to speak my mind to anyone with senior rank. The way I saw it was, the higher rank, the thicker skin you should have after all the years of ass chewings you've had. I believe in the old system that if I piss you off, pull that rank of and lets settle it like grown men.

Response by SPC Alejandro Martinez made May 5 at 2016 8:02 PM

2016-05-05T20:02:52-04:00

I didn't know about RP until AFTER I left the military.

Response by SPC Burt Epps made May 10 at 2016 9:57 AM

2016-05-10T09:57:39-04:00

The are a couple of ways of looking at this. First, I've been a Veteran for over 25 years and I know that the military has changed A LOT since since I ETS'd in 1989. Second, and just as important, I think that some junior enlisted are "intimidated" by the presence of Senior NCO's and Officers on Rally Point. That being said, I was one of the SP4's that knew how to tactfully approach differing opinions or command decisions without being disrespectful. If you are active duty your military bearing and decorum should be shown on this forum at all times. I'll still call officers "sir or ma'am" and refer to NCO's as "Sergeant" because they earned that, whether they are active, retired or veteran. No one has ever taken that road to try to belittle my thoughts or posts by virtue of their rank, though. That would cause me to break out an entirely different vernacular if I were to be, or someone else being berated (especially from Vet to Vet or retired). Remember that if even if you are Active, Retired, or a Veteran that you hold no dominion by virtue of rank or otherwise over any Veteran.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2016 7:08 PM

2016-05-26T19:08:02-04:00

I learned about RP on Facebook and have joined since then. I come here for advice and to see what's going on. When I first joined I was nervous of higher enlisted however rank doesn't really make me nervous like it used to. Rank is just that rank just because your high in the food chain doesn't make you a leader. Leadership comes from training and teaching those below you and laying down the law when you need to. As long as you don' threaten someone or criticize your the people above you, your fine.

Response by SPC John Lebiecki made Aug 22 at 2016 2:28 PM

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Multiple reasons.

1) Too many seniors on here have been chastising juniors for asking questions.

2) Many do not know about Rally Point.

3) Fear of reprisal.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2016 10:44 PM

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I personally think it's because of the age difference and that most junior enlisted fear to talk to "senior" enlisted because of lack of knowledge and not wanting to get talked down on, but not only that but a lot of junior enlisted don't know about Rp I didn't know about it till my dad showed me today. It seems like a pretty cool social media sight for the military and looks like it could be really helpful for junior enlisted if used properly

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2016 11:38 PM

2016-10-14T23:38:16-04:00

I see plenty of junior enlisted participating in RallyPoint discussions. Perhaps a lot of changed since 2015. RallyPoint isn't very well known in the Navy; I am trying to change that.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2016 8:37 AM

2016-10-22T08:37:49-04:00

I heard about RP through FB. As a junior enlisted man I rarely participate because I don't have as much knowledge about the subjects at hand. Also, I go on here primarily for the bank of knowledge that this site provides.

Response by SPC Jordan Brown made Mar 1 at 2017 11:54 AM

2017-03-01T11:54:24-05:00

Well I know for me, I like to try and be involved in discussions, but a lot of the time, it's stuff I don't have any idea about because I still lack experience being in IET Sergeant.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made May 24 at 2017 4:57 PM

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I would assume that it has to do with rally point having heavier traffic from veterans and retirees than active personnel. It's a great resource for them, but I notice when they do use rally point they tend to broadcast things that is best kept in a JAG office or within the unit.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 25 at 2017 9:38 AM

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I am the mot Junior enlisted haha. I have been in one or two but when everyone around me is full birds or CSMs I don't want to over step my bounds. I read a lot of them but obviously fullbirds know a lot more then me.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2017 10:15 AM

2017-05-26T10:15:57-04:00

i think it is because these NCOs and Os that ask these questions are people we are use to " hooah sir/SGT" " i agree sir/sgt" we don't really act normal around them in uniform and it transfers over here.

Response by SPC Mel White made Jun 9 at 2017 11:54 PM

2017-06-09T23:54:37-04:00

No offense to the senior enlisted or officers, but what is the point?

The younger troops who may not have been as thoroughly influenced by military life as those who spend/spent years in the military. Therefore it is not as big of a deal as to those who spend years and years living the military life.

I spent 10 years in, and honestly? I can find more interesting things to do. Hobbies, games, social media, etc. military type forums just don't seem to be as interesting.

I would also suspect that those who have served in a combat role, would just as soon forget about it.... at least when everyone here is more or less anonymous. I would suspect that if we were all face to face, more would participate. This is just speculation on my part , as I ETS'ed before the first trip to Iraq. I missed out on Grenada and Panama while I was in, so I CANNOT and will not pretend to know on that point

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2017 1:57 PM

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I believe is could be because a large amount of Junior Enlisted (E-4 and below) just don't care any more or don't feel that the response they give will have any credit. Then you have people like me that will tell you what I think.

Response by PFC John Coble Jr made Feb 2 at 2018 2:32 AM

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Because they don't feel they are being listen to and taken seriously not to mention they're intimidated and frankly don't have the crazy stupid brass balls the older Generations grew up with

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2018 3:09 AM

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Because majority aren't necessarily motivated outside of work. Most Jr enlisted want to do 9-5 and go back to the barracks. The few that have their eyes on becoming an NCO etc. take the time to reach out and improve themselves. I have a good friend who was an E3, recently made E4 overseas. Squared away as shit. Three AMAs, waivers, CO guidon, 250+ PT, IN PLT RTO. All around soldier right? But he's still the kind to go back to the barracks after work. He does his job like he's supposed to, but that's it.

Response by SGT George Crowder made Jun 12 at 2018 4:07 PM

2018-06-12T16:07:13-04:00

I could be that younger soldiers are afraid to show their lack of knowledge and are content to be "lurkers".

It also appears that senior NCO's and officers who have opinions are not used to having junior enlisted engage in discussions where these viewpoints are questioned. A few of them get a little touchy.

There is also a bit of "elitism" where a soldier who comes to this site to find information is told "look it up" or "you should know that". Not helpful or conducive to creating an environment where young soldiers can feel safe asking questions or seeking knowledge. I get that you are trying to "teach a man to fish" to feed him for a lifetime, but sometimes a soldier comes here already frustrated with not having a clear answer to his/her question. Instead of being mentored they are made to feel incompetent.

Just observations. My 2 cents.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2018 6:15 PM

2018-07-01T18:15:03-04:00

Honestly its probably the intimidation of receiving backlash for making an incorrect statement or mistake, which is why I primarily observe rather than comment

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Jul 3 at 2018 7:26 PM

2018-07-03T19:26:28-04:00

When I was in active duty and national I was a SPC for 14 yrs not because I was shot bag but because I knew my job and was good at it now I was in from 89-08 before social media RP is a good way to network but interact with your chain of command because every NCO and officer is different just do your job and try to improve every chance you get and believe me your COC will notice and they will value your input

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Jul 3 at 2018 7:51 PM

2018-07-03T19:51:05-04:00

Just a comment, that has no teeth...if you're still a SM, you probably have much to lose if someone recognizes you...if you're a veteran and out of the military...who's give a damn?!

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jul 4 at 2018 2:20 PM

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I doubt a young person has the interest in topics that most of us with years under our belt. Most of what we discuss wasn’t of interest to me until post E-5, and even then, primarily about pay and benefits. My firs letter to Congress was to my hero, L. Mendel Rivers. The answer was not a form letter as they are today.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2018 5:01 PM

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One need only look at the quantity of the lack of quality in the discussions posted. They probably have better things to do with their time. How many valid military-related posts are there? A question that should not be necessary on a site like this, but it is. Quality Control existed briefly, if ever. Now, it barely exists at all.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2019 12:56 PM

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I don't post much of anything anywhere unless I can't find answers elsewhere or encounter another person on a website with the same issue and I do know.

VR

Response by SPC Deb Root-White made Jul 20 at 2019 3:57 PM

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As a Veteran from duty many years ago, I enjoy discussions now with people of all ranks. My only wish is that I could get on her more often than I do. Life seems to get in the way.

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Oct 26 at 2020 10:54 AM

2020-10-26T10:54:12-04:00

It is the same for everyone even people with a little more in rank. Responses on RP not well thought out and using assumptions to answer are a problem. It is also a problem when enlisted simply attack another enlisted senior or junior with things like you a toxic leader simply because they don't like your opinion. People posting on that thread posting off topic can be a problem. Just a couple of things i see their is a large list of the things that make it hard for junior ranks to want to respond or ask on rally point.

Response by SPC Vonnie Jones made Oct 31 at 2021 11:00 PM

2021-10-31T23:00:41-04:00

We live in very busy time, so Twitter wins. Short twits cause a lot of misunderstanding between people of all cultures. Even in the medical community we have all but stopped using abriviation, one reason medication errors. Even the art of letter writing has stopped not just because off slow mail service, but it is somewhat easier to send a text. I am surprised that any one would feel intimidated? Normally people feel more imbolden behind a cel phone or type writer. I must say when I first joined this sight I did think there were more E8 and above, officers and few E5 and E4 like my self. My mom told me I could talk to anbody:)