Posted on Apr 12, 2017
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I have walked around on post and noticed that saying good morning or acknowledging NCOs by subordinates is just not happening...or maybe not happening to me? I know I'm an old Soldier but it was common courtesy and respect to do it when I was coming up and I still do it today to Senior NCOs and peers. What gives? Or am I out of touch here?
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MSgt Neil Greenfield
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Customs, courtesies, etiquette, manners, politeness, etc., are not taught anywhere anymore, in my opinion. This is like good character, integrity and the like. Parents don't teach it (generally speaking), schools don't teach it, religion doesn't teach it (think Westborough, etc.). Look at all of our so-called public leaders. Look at a lot of commentary on this site. Look at everybody on a smart device ignoring others. Everyone seems to be looking out for themselves these days. Heck, I still open doors for people or hold them open for others. Sometimes I'm thanked, and lots of times I'm not. Oh, the times, the times......
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MSgt Gary Miller
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Because SNCO's tend to be "A" holes at times so it's better to not even say anything to them at all. Less chance of being called on the carpet for some petty infraction.
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CMSgt Peter McDermott
CMSgt Peter McDermott
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MSgt Gary Miller - My apologies for not being on here for a long time. "A-holes", as you put it come in all shapes and sizes. Those to me are the individuals who choose to think for themselves and not for their people. You can be a CMSgt in the Airforce or you can be an E-9, they are not one in the same except for on paper. I have met many of both. I have been retired for almost 4 years not but before that I put in 32 years and have learned many lessons along the way. I have learned these lessons from those appointed over me and those I was in charge of. Taking charge became a thing of the past for many, as they received more rank they became more into themselves and cared very little for the men and women who depended on them for leadership. Leading by example is nothing easy but so many want the rank but not the responsibility. Many want it all for the wrong reasons. I wanted it as I enjoyed being put in places of responsibility. The more I had the better I did. I learned more from those I was in charge of then anyone. A true leader is an outstanding follower first. When you become an NCO or even below you will be given tasks to do in which you are in charge. This does not mean, you get to sit back and watch as others do all the dirty work for you. It means you are "RESPONSIBLE" for everyone's actions. So you better make every moment count and make sure that job is done right. If one of your subordinates screws up it is your responsibility to correct them and also take the heat for them as they did this under your supervision. Again, one of the things even some past US Presidents refused to do. When you become a SNCO, you better have your leadership skills and job and career refined, as now it is "NO LONGER ABOUT YOU BUT ABOUT YOUR MEN AND WOMEN YOU SUPERVISE AND WORK FOR". There are many rewards for being a good leader, sometimes it comes in the form of a job well done , a letter of appreciation, a pass, etc. With this credit should always be given to those who completed the task. It is your job to take the credit when it is bad and when it is good you hand it back to those who helped get the job done. This will reflect greatly on you and your future and your career.
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MSgt Gary Miller
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I agree 100% Chief.
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TSgt Gary McPherson
TSgt Gary McPherson
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CMSgt Peter McDermott - I learned long ago as a SSGT in the USAF that a outstanding APR on me was not about how great I did my job but how well my people did theirs which in turn reflects on me.One of the greatest thing happened to me was when I was transferred to take over another section and two of my people went to the Chief of Supply and ask to be transferred with me..I walked very tall that day..One has to show that they are leaders and treat worked fairly and show them you do care about them
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SFC Stephen King
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No, you are not out of touch. Common curiosity is not a value instilled in many in today's society. Military or Civilian
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GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
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I can only speak from a Marine Corps perspective, and this is NOT a problem in the Corps. People joke about how "crazy" Marines seem sometimes, but there are things the other branches do that are simply not allowed in the Marine Corps. A Marine would get CHEWED if he was walking and talking on a cell phone, or for not rendering an appropriate greeting to a senior. Even in basic training we hear about cameras, and that sort of thing being allowed by the other branches. That contraband would never be allowed in the Marines. I say all that to point out that this level of discipline needs to be instilled from the very beginning, and made to be muscle memory. Basic training for the other branches isn't even long enough to do this in my opinion. Not ragging on the other branches, but that's a problem the Marines don't have, and if it reared its ugly head it would be quickly bitten off and spit out.
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SFC Stephen R. King, Please do not take offense. But, I think you meant 'courtesy' not curiosity !!! HOORAH !!!
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GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED - I was assigned to the marines as a medic way back when, we would never ever call a MSG, sgt, or even the the FSG, sgt, but somehow in the army its tollerated, especially in the reserves, and even once on this site, so glad I retired, my blood pressure was already high enough.
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GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
GySgt Leo Rochon RETIRED
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Not addressing someone by their full rank is disrespectful of what that person did to achieve that rank. To refer to both a Sergeant and a Master Sergeant as simply Sergeant, does not give proper respect to the Master Sergeant and the authority he holds. Marines never do this, or call some one "Sarge". Wanna get a Marine hot under the collar, call him that, lol!
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SSG Steven Borders
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CSM (Join to see) I always do, it is common courtesy. It is no different than greeting an officer. It isn't that hard to say Good Morning Sergeant or Good Afternoon. I guess it was just instilled in me when I was at Basic in Fort Leonardwood back in 2010.
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I spent 26 years in the Army mostly as a Flight Medic but those 26 months with the 31st where the best times I had in the Army.
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SPC Darren Talcott
SPC Darren Talcott
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In the division I was in it was required to give either the greeting of the day or call out "Climb to glory." (10th Mtn Div.) To which they would respond "To the top." Not paying this courtesy was a quick way to trouble.
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SSG Steven Borders
SSG Steven Borders
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Our greeting in Stewart was "Rock of the Marne" and you would reply "Top of the Rock".
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SGT Medical Nco Paarng
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I was at Ft. Leonardwood OCT-DEC 2010 E1/48
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