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That's not to say Spec Ops teams don't utilize these.Response by SrA Edward Vong made Mar 16 at 2017 9:56 AM2017-03-16T09:56:30-04:002017-03-16T09:56:30-04:00MAJ Private RallyPoint Member2424291<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Up until recently we didn't blend into anything other than a flowered couch. I'll take my multicam cover gladly. <br /><br />The reality is that we don't get issued the top tier gear, what we get is "good enough." As others have said, there's not really a need for it in our current environment. We dominate the battlespace. Even in a near-peer fight, outside of a few select individuals there's not that great of a need for camouflage and stealth. You could just as easily ask why we don't apply face paint anymore. You'll likely get a similar answer.Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2017 9:58 AM2017-03-16T09:58:56-04:002017-03-16T09:58:56-04:00MSG Mark Million2424323<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If we wore that, the French army would start complimenting us on our fashion sense.Response by MSG Mark Million made Mar 16 at 2017 10:07 AM2017-03-16T10:07:56-04:002017-03-16T10:07:56-04:00CSM Richard StCyr2424805<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Probably effective, but looks like a pizza hat gone terribly awry!Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Mar 16 at 2017 12:33 PM2017-03-16T12:33:14-04:002017-03-16T12:33:14-04:00SPC Private RallyPoint Member2425150<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Perhaps in small units, Infantry or Cav. Given the proper area. For a full force use during deployment, doubtful.Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2017 2:14 PM2017-03-16T14:14:52-04:002017-03-16T14:14:52-04:00CPT Jack Durish2425623<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Seems good unless a French chef happens upon you while looking for mushroomsResponse by CPT Jack Durish made Mar 16 at 2017 4:19 PM2017-03-16T16:19:01-04:002017-03-16T16:19:01-04:001LT William Clardy2425632<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'd sure hate to be breaking serious brush wearing something like that -- I can see the branches reaching out to snag it already.Response by 1LT William Clardy made Mar 16 at 2017 4:21 PM2017-03-16T16:21:44-04:002017-03-16T16:21:44-04:00CW3 Kevin Storm2426209<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because we didn't think of it first, someone hates it, and frankly it looks like Iron Chef went in and went camo on everyone. So no one in the world will approve it, until someone Like President Kennedy comes along and says "Nice Beret,"(History Lesson for the Jr Troopers out there, and I may be old, but no where old enough to have been around when that happened) will we get to have something that makes sense.Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Mar 16 at 2017 8:24 PM2017-03-16T20:24:30-04:002017-03-16T20:24:30-04:00COL Thomas F.2430887<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Looks like the mosquito netting I wore on my helmet back in '94. People thought I was strange, when I was in formation, but they couldn't see me in the field and the bugs couldn't bite me :) Best part I didn't have to paint my face as much since it covered by entire head. I just took it off after the field events so the Senior NCOs didn't have a heart-attack.Response by COL Thomas F. made Mar 18 at 2017 8:31 PM2017-03-18T20:31:39-04:002017-03-18T20:31:39-04:00SP5 Gary Smith4084256<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nerd factor too high.Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Oct 29 at 2018 3:50 PM2018-10-29T15:50:07-04:002018-10-29T15:50:07-04:00SGT Andrew Howard4084437<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because professional appearance trumps combat effectiveness every time.Response by SGT Andrew Howard made Oct 29 at 2018 4:59 PM2018-10-29T16:59:15-04:002018-10-29T16:59:15-04:00TSgt David Baillargeon4086905<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was 7th ID, we used to use the cabbage patch hat on our kevelars.... ughResponse by TSgt David Baillargeon made Oct 30 at 2018 3:15 PM2018-10-30T15:15:39-04:002018-10-30T15:15:39-04:00SFC Matthew Wagner4087896<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Hey, Luigi you gotta the pizza ready?Response by SFC Matthew Wagner made Oct 30 at 2018 9:51 PM2018-10-30T21:51:14-04:002018-10-30T21:51:14-04:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member4088033<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because why would we pay for that when we can camouflage enough to break up the helmet silhouette for free with veg? Or use carabella hair and veg it up.Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2018 11:31 PM2018-10-30T23:31:00-04:002018-10-30T23:31:00-04:00PO1 Bill Adams4088052<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because it looks like something out of a Mario Brothers video game.Response by PO1 Bill Adams made Oct 30 at 2018 11:54 PM2018-10-30T23:54:43-04:002018-10-30T23:54:43-04:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member4088808<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Water logged mop hanging over your face when it rains?Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2018 9:17 AM2018-10-31T09:17:30-04:002018-10-31T09:17:30-04:00SSG Shauna Holmes4089661<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I bet I can find that in the local beauty supply store in purple.Response by SSG Shauna Holmes made Oct 31 at 2018 3:02 PM2018-10-31T15:02:21-04:002018-10-31T15:02:21-04:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member4090308<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It would be sheer misery in wet weather, and not very effective outside of heavily wooded areas, where it would snag on every twig.Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2018 8:19 PM2018-10-31T20:19:16-04:002018-10-31T20:19:16-04:00SGT Private RallyPoint Member4091141<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Would get in the way of mounts on the helmet and snag on every goddamn twig and tree while trying to move through brush.<br /><br />Not to mention just sticking local floiage in your helmet band is better since it accomplishes the same thing and is matched to the environment.Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2018 7:45 AM2018-11-01T07:45:12-04:002018-11-01T07:45:12-04:00Cpl Ed Hines4091751<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because camo is only useful if you are not moving or at great distances.Response by Cpl Ed Hines made Nov 1 at 2018 12:09 PM2018-11-01T12:09:19-04:002018-11-01T12:09:19-04:00MSG Private RallyPoint Member4092001<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Violates the first rule of always looking cool.Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2018 2:05 PM2018-11-01T14:05:01-04:002018-11-01T14:05:01-04:00PFC Adam Murray4092332<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We were directed to wear a piece of camo netting on our helmets in Afghanistan. Dubbed "Carabello hair" after CSM Carabello, who was shiny-bald.<br />God bless him.Response by PFC Adam Murray made Nov 1 at 2018 4:41 PM2018-11-01T16:41:39-04:002018-11-01T16:41:39-04:00Cpl Bill Johnson4092820<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Bork! Bork! Bork!Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Nov 1 at 2018 7:35 PM2018-11-01T19:35:48-04:002018-11-01T19:35:48-04:00PV2 Robert Uherek4092963<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's as gay as cum on a mustacheResponse by PV2 Robert Uherek made Nov 1 at 2018 8:46 PM2018-11-01T20:46:32-04:002018-11-01T20:46:32-04:001SG Private RallyPoint Member4093077<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nope, we ain’t no Israelis. Never forget:<br /><br />American spy ship USS Liberty – which was bombed by an Israeli fighter jet and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967 in the eastern Mediterranean – was somewhat overlooked. Thirty-four American sailors were killed in the Israeli attack and many others were wounded.Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2018 9:21 PM2018-11-01T21:21:24-04:002018-11-01T21:21:24-04:00SPC Jose Vidrotiru4093968<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Maybe for jungle warfareResponse by SPC Jose Vidrotiru made Nov 2 at 2018 7:49 AM2018-11-02T07:49:14-04:002018-11-02T07:49:14-04:00Sgt John Nichols4094213<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Looks pretty.damn stupid. Why try to fix something that is not brokeResponse by Sgt John Nichols made Nov 2 at 2018 9:28 AM2018-11-02T09:28:22-04:002018-11-02T09:28:22-04:00PO1 Alan Sparks4099978<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was a Corpsman with 3/3, we wore CAMMO NET garnish on our helmets, at some point the Regional Commander ordered it removed. When we deployed to Okinawa, we had to put it back on.Response by PO1 Alan Sparks made Nov 4 at 2018 2:18 PM2018-11-04T14:18:58-05:002018-11-04T14:18:58-05:00PVT Mark Zehner4103186<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because we'd never get anything done! Spend to much time making fun of each other!Response by PVT Mark Zehner made Nov 5 at 2018 5:45 PM2018-11-05T17:45:22-05:002018-11-05T17:45:22-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member4103187<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the Army was worried about camouflage they never would have issued ACUs.Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2018 5:45 PM2018-11-05T17:45:24-05:002018-11-05T17:45:24-05:00SPC Martin Meyer4130684<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If it saves one infantry soldier it is worth using. I am sure the value of one life out weights the cost of the mitznefet. And would only have to be issued to the infantry soldier in a combat zone though probably help using one in training. The Israeli's use it and they are mostly desert open ground or urban fighters so might be worth at least evaluating.Response by SPC Martin Meyer made Nov 15 at 2018 9:43 PM2018-11-15T21:43:26-05:002018-11-15T21:43:26-05:00SSgt Daniel d'Errico4133569<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well to start, you're not in the IDF.Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Nov 17 at 2018 1:14 AM2018-11-17T01:14:29-05:002018-11-17T01:14:29-05:00SSgt Daniel d'Errico4133573<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Next while it is a great way to aid in camouflage, it adds a couple of pounds to you head. It's a piece of kit that must be maintained like everything else you're issued. You already have a helmet cover that keeps helmet shine low. Add to that you might use strips of old camo uniforms plus vegetation. Maybe some day the brass at the Pentagon will include this piece of head gear.Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Nov 17 at 2018 1:19 AM2018-11-17T01:19:37-05:002018-11-17T01:19:37-05:00SFC Ralph E Kelley4133692<div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-282557"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image">
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<a class="fancybox" rel="31aaae7e4dd5bb3f986c06719816aaf5" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/282/557/for_gallery_v2/435431d8.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/282/557/large_v3/435431d8.jpg" alt="435431d8" /></a></div></div>Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Nov 17 at 2018 5:30 AM2018-11-17T05:30:39-05:002018-11-17T05:30:39-05:00SFC Robert Walton4271790<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because it is not part of your TOE.Response by SFC Robert Walton made Jan 9 at 2019 10:19 AM2019-01-09T10:19:52-05:002019-01-09T10:19:52-05:00Sgt Dale Briggs5560546<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I’d rather just tie a bandana from my first aid kit over my head, and we did. Mother Nature grows things upwards to get to the sun, things horizontal kinda stand out, If the background colors are a great match it’s immaterial I suppose, but as a long time hunter you look for things that don’t fit. Things horizontal in a vertical world sometimes don’t fit, it’s hard to match the current flora most times, one size doesn’t fit all.Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Feb 14 at 2020 9:21 PM2020-02-14T21:21:25-05:002020-02-14T21:21:25-05:00CPT Private RallyPoint Member5562527<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Because you have a helmet band and should be updating your camouflage regularly in the field/deployed to match your terrain and environment. <br />Get some field craft going on.Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2020 12:57 PM2020-02-15T12:57:57-05:002020-02-15T12:57:57-05:002017-03-15T22:46:53-04:00