Posted on Nov 28, 2015
Sgt Spencer Sikder
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It doesn't matter what the issue is regarding abortion. You can't just shoot people.
I could give a damn what his motive was.
Trying to justify it that way... just doesn't work if you are pro-life.
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CPT L S, I don't agree with how you frame the question, because it requires me to concede that this was an act of terrorism. Those facts are not out yet. It appears that he will not be charged as such, which kind of figures since more obviously terror-oriented situations such as MAJ Hassan at Fort Hood were not given terrorism charges and it was labeled "workplace violence".
For the record, I answered that question with my original post.
Pro-life people, like me, think murder is abhorrent.
We think that abortion is a terrible thing, and should not occur with some variations in view in what circumstances should allow it as an option. There is general unanimity in the pro-life crowd that feels that abortion on demand is akin to murder, legal though it may be.
Many (not me) believe capital punishment is wrong.
Some turned to violence over the years, and they were apprehended and punished appropriately. To which I will be the first in line to applaud, because their actions do not represent the cause, nor do they advance it. They invite the shrill folks on the "choice" side of the issue to paint all of the pro-life crowd with a broad brush of "fringe" and "anti-women. In fact, it is a majority of people in polls that believe that there should be curbs in abortion, not a fringe.
Many (not me) are very shrill in their verbiage and disparage those who view things the other way. This reached its nadir with the release of that series of videos you reference, where various officials of PP said some pretty despicable things, cavalierly discussing the dismemberment of human beings and sale of the remains while sipping a cabernet and munching a salad. Yes, zealots took it up some notches and did some splicing, but the WORDS spoken by those officials, including senior ones, was what got me motivated to contact my Congressman and two Senators. And if PP would have us believe that they were not selling aborted fetus bits to research firms and the like, why did they recently announce that they were ending the practice?

For every Robert Dear, there is a Kermit Gosnell.
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MSgt Bj Jones
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1SG (Join to see) , I agree: you can't justify murder and killing those folks while claiming to be against abortion, pro-life, et cetera is counterproductive. Besides, for all anyone knows, any of the victims may have been pregnant.
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MSgt Bj Jones
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CPT L S - Before I joined the Air Force, I volunteered as a Receptionist/Lay Counselor at a Crisis Pregnancy center. No true Christian and no true Pro-life person bombs abortion clinics nor terrorizes women. The center I volunteered for was completely opposed to terrorist type tactics, harassment, and abuse. We offered free pregnancy tests, counseling, Shepherd Homes, and adoption assistance. We were also a Christian organization. As someone whose birthparents talked of aborting, and whose birthmother is still pro-choice (I've never met my birthfather, but he was supposedly the one who suggested my birthmother have an abortion when she carried me-long story), I do have some very strong anti-abortion views. Murder of any kind is never justified.
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CPT (Servicemember) - The way you phrase your speech implies that anyone with a contrary opinion could be potentially labeled a terrorist. The fact is that people are passionate about some issues, and they are vastly polarizing.

I have not given the Planned Parenthood much credibility until they consider releasing the full thing, however if they did simply release an uncut version, would anyone watch it?? The fact is that our society is so "ADHD", that if you can't grab someone's attention in 5-15 minutes then you've lost them. Even if you "skip", then you may miss part of it which can change things.

Then you mean that Charlie Hebdo was to blame for the terrorist attacks in April (and maybe onwards)?? What about holding the media accountable for fueling the multitude of American riots and fueling paranoia about many of the issues?? What about blaming the Onion or DuffelBlog for any potential "incited violence"??

Your comments basically justify 'hurt feelings' as a reason for inciting violence. "Don't joke about inflammatory stuff, you may inspire someone to go off on a killing spree."

I personally feel that I am "generally pro life". Rape, incest, and risk of maternal demise are the 3 times I consider acceptable to offer the "pro choice". However, I also recognize that "coathanger abortions" can exist without planned parenthood. Some of this is a societal problem...which is a totally different debate, and one that I'll avoid for the sake of [relative] brevity.

To return to your original post, it reads that you are totally absolving these people of ANY responsibility. Did you ever see something that offended you? Yes? Did it inspire you to go on a killing rampage? You blame the NRA, but were ALL of these terrorists members of the NRA? Did they obtain their weapons through NRA fundraisers?

Fringe groups always exist, but to simply lump them together is no different than saying "Every Muslim is a terrorist." It is also critical to hold those shooters accountable for their own decisions that led them to these heinous acts and unify as a nation to condemn them.
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Christian terrorism is still terrorism.

Is this the part where we say that all Christians have to denounce him, or else be branded terrorists, and suggest they wear identifying marks?
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PO1 Joseph Pennington
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Big difference. This is one nut job that lived in the woods. ISIS is an organization the size of Indiana. Can you not see the difference?
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MSgt Bj Jones
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CPT L S - How is the NRA responsible? I don't see how they can be held responsible for what another does with a firearm and ammunition he may have obtained legally or illegally, just as I don't see how suing the Silverware company for my gaining weight makes any sense. Oh, and as someone with strong conservative values, it really rankles me when those who are supposed to be like-minded put out ridiculous distorted stuff that completely twists around what is actually said. For example, when a conservative outlet or person posts some stupid meme that reads, "Obama is going to take away all our guns." Posting stuff like that just makes those who 'supposedly' share my views look stupid as well as shows they aren't doing their research.
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Because typically, when you have an issue with something, you don't go and shoot it up... Sounds like a mental issue to me...
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PO1 John Miller
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So all Christians are terrorists? That's the same as Tea Partiers who claim that all Muslims are terrorists. See the flaw in your logic?
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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CPT L S - ???
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MSgt Curtis Ellis
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CPT L S Interesting pov...
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MSgt Curtis Ellis - Master Sergeant; It appears that the ISISites have an "issue with something" and that they also "go and shoot it up".

So, are we dealing with a "religious issue" or a "mental issue" in the Middle East.

When "the bad guy" is "like us" isn't there a tendency to say "But that's different." when they do things that "the bad guy" who ISN'T "like us" also does?
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