So I posted a thread about welfare/WIC/SNAP - government assistance in general. I cited an example in an observation I made. Got some very mixed reviews...mostly negative. There seems to be an ongoing theme about passing judgement - you're right, shame on me, I'm human.
As a result of the feedback received, I have another question. Only about four people have had a mindset similar to mine, which is:
*I brought children into this world. Me. They are MY responsibility to feed - not society's.*
In essence, to quote SFC (Join to see) off of a previous thread, "If you can't feed them, don't breed them!"
Why does that mindset, which I find to be mature, responsible, and reflect having responsibilities in line, offend so many people?
I'm not looking for an old saying "It takes a village to raise a child" or anything like that. Direct, honest and blunt: YOU had a kid, why should I have to feed him/her?
When did relying on everyone else to take care of an individual's personal responsibilities become acceptable?
As a result of the feedback received, I have another question. Only about four people have had a mindset similar to mine, which is:
*I brought children into this world. Me. They are MY responsibility to feed - not society's.*
In essence, to quote SFC (Join to see) off of a previous thread, "If you can't feed them, don't breed them!"
Why does that mindset, which I find to be mature, responsible, and reflect having responsibilities in line, offend so many people?
I'm not looking for an old saying "It takes a village to raise a child" or anything like that. Direct, honest and blunt: YOU had a kid, why should I have to feed him/her?
When did relying on everyone else to take care of an individual's personal responsibilities become acceptable?
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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Every now and again I've come across a huge push about military members having to use food stamps in order to get by - I find it disgusting. While the posts and comments I read are in fact pro-military (glad people are still supportive of us), I feel like we shouldn't be on any kind of assistance whatsoever.
About a year ago I was at my local Walmart grabbing a few things. There was a female Soldier checking out ahead of me with her toddler and husband. She was paying with WIC. I looked the three of them over...the small child had diamond earrings in both ears, husband wearing a plethora of gold chains, huge sparkly rocks in each ear - it just didn't appear like it added up.
Icing on the cake is this: the baby food, diapers and so on was paid for with WIC. When it came time to pay for the 18 pack of beer and carton of smokes, the husband pulled a bankroll out of his pocket and sorted through $100 and $50 bills to pay. They then left the store and went outside to their BRAND new car, still with dealer tags.
All in all, we make decent money. Base pay + housing allowance + food allowance. All around not too shabby. What warrants needing free (at the expense of others) food, especially after seeing something like this.
I think the problem is that some would rather have a shiny new car, the latest iPhone and other needless frivolities but then rely on society to provide them with their grown up responsibilities.
If a Soldier is going to accept food stamps/WIC/other assistance, they shouldn't warrant or receive BAS.
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I had created a separate question simply referencing this discussion and it was reported as being a duplicate. Apparently someone needs to look up the definition of "duplicate". My more direct question was posed and realization/admittance that I had been human and was judgmental was addressed and acknowledged. Thanks whoever reported that. Though you like to disagree with anything I suggest, that is fine. I have no need to have a "measuring" contest with you on a blog. Despite your attitude of "every problem is you", you still couldn't answer a simple question.
YOU bring a child into this world when you couldn't afford to. THAT an individual can control - Why should society have to pay for it?
Lay offs, death and extraordinary circumstances are another story - don't get it confused. I am strictly referring to being financially unstable and making society pay for it.
SFC (Join to see) put it best, "If you can't feed them, don't breed them". That's YOUR child - not society's.
About a year ago I was at my local Walmart grabbing a few things. There was a female Soldier checking out ahead of me with her toddler and husband. She was paying with WIC. I looked the three of them over...the small child had diamond earrings in both ears, husband wearing a plethora of gold chains, huge sparkly rocks in each ear - it just didn't appear like it added up.
Icing on the cake is this: the baby food, diapers and so on was paid for with WIC. When it came time to pay for the 18 pack of beer and carton of smokes, the husband pulled a bankroll out of his pocket and sorted through $100 and $50 bills to pay. They then left the store and went outside to their BRAND new car, still with dealer tags.
All in all, we make decent money. Base pay + housing allowance + food allowance. All around not too shabby. What warrants needing free (at the expense of others) food, especially after seeing something like this.
I think the problem is that some would rather have a shiny new car, the latest iPhone and other needless frivolities but then rely on society to provide them with their grown up responsibilities.
If a Soldier is going to accept food stamps/WIC/other assistance, they shouldn't warrant or receive BAS.
**** EDIT EDIT EDIT****
I had created a separate question simply referencing this discussion and it was reported as being a duplicate. Apparently someone needs to look up the definition of "duplicate". My more direct question was posed and realization/admittance that I had been human and was judgmental was addressed and acknowledged. Thanks whoever reported that. Though you like to disagree with anything I suggest, that is fine. I have no need to have a "measuring" contest with you on a blog. Despite your attitude of "every problem is you", you still couldn't answer a simple question.
YOU bring a child into this world when you couldn't afford to. THAT an individual can control - Why should society have to pay for it?
Lay offs, death and extraordinary circumstances are another story - don't get it confused. I am strictly referring to being financially unstable and making society pay for it.
SFC (Join to see) put it best, "If you can't feed them, don't breed them". That's YOUR child - not society's.
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I think what the issue is SSG Jacob Wiley is perspective. Food Stamps, now known as SNAP, was set up for lower income individuals and families to survive. I know many homeless Veterans and others that if it weren't for these benefits could go without eating. Yes, there are some irresponsible individuals in the US that "game the system", not defending them. But let's look at the system as a whole.
Tennessee recently enacted a law I agree with on drug testing to receive SNAP. Out of all of the recipients tested to date, only 16% showed positive for drugs and off that group only approximately 2% were for illegal drugs (ie, Not prescribed or illegal). This was a common misconception that all SNAP users were "druggies" in my opinion but further testing is needed also. But I digress.
There are Senior Citizens, Disabled, mentally ill individuals that truly need these benefits at no fault of their own. The system could use some overhauling I agree but the "net" has to be in place for those that truly need it in my opinion.
Tennessee recently enacted a law I agree with on drug testing to receive SNAP. Out of all of the recipients tested to date, only 16% showed positive for drugs and off that group only approximately 2% were for illegal drugs (ie, Not prescribed or illegal). This was a common misconception that all SNAP users were "druggies" in my opinion but further testing is needed also. But I digress.
There are Senior Citizens, Disabled, mentally ill individuals that truly need these benefits at no fault of their own. The system could use some overhauling I agree but the "net" has to be in place for those that truly need it in my opinion.
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But but that doesn't answer the question I posed.