Posted on Apr 6, 2015
Why is it ok for them to put animals with feelings to sleep, but not people who are sick from toxins?
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I often have wondered how they can put animals to sleep when animals have feelings and are smart. Why can't they put people to sleep peacefully in the same way especially if they are on their last days anyway. I understand that cures have been found for things. But this Fort McClellan thing they are not even trying to help in anyway and acting like it did not happen but it did.I prayed on the day I can only lay in bed and moan from the pain and can no longer move and nothing helps the pain that they will change that law so I can be peacefully put to sleep like the animals. It would bring down bills families can not afford and allow the patient to go peacefully and painlessly. I watched my mother die a slow and painful death from liver and lung cancer laying for 3 weeks in that bed suffering. They put the doctor in prison that was trying to help dying patients who wanted it. They tell me at the VA there is no cure for the Ft Mac people and we are dying from it. I would not want to be put to sleep until I just can't go on anymore and I have tried fighting this long and will continue too but why can't I be put to sleep if I choose it when the time comes? Why do they have to make us lay and suffer in more pain in the end haven't we lived enough of it already? I do all I can but the bones are getting worse. When it comes to trying to see the doctors it seems I am not worth the time so they do what is needed to just keep me barely happy and for my meds. But to truely help I am in need of a foot brace. Waiting till August for it by then my foot may be in pieces I can barely walk some days. My bones feel like they are falling apart inside my skin and I fall down. I no a few others of you are like that too. I pray for you always I promised God in 1986 that I would not take my own life or ever try again and have stuck to it but I did not promise not to ask Him to do it. Is it natural for all in the end to pray that God gets it done? Either by him or a doctor with a shot for sleep. Then I can do it right at home. What are you thoughts on this?
http://www.chicagonow.com/uncommon-sense/2013/08/toxic-vets-ft-mcclellan-08072013/
http://www.chicagonow.com/uncommon-sense/2013/08/toxic-vets-ft-mcclellan-08072013/
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It's a Catch-22.
You have to be a rational person to make that decision, however making that decision makes you appear irrational, which disallows you to make the decision.
You have to be a rational person to make that decision, however making that decision makes you appear irrational, which disallows you to make the decision.
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PV2 Violet Case
Well before I new about Fort McClellan my best friend in the world is my executor and she is a paralegal. We had drawn up a will and life one. That stated I was not to die in any hospital or doctor environments because my whole life has been around it. Even as a baby and growing up with grandma most the time she owned a large nursing home in Polk City Ia, and all my own stuff so I just want to go peacefully away from it all no machines just let God do as He will. I just was talking with a friend who had to put her dog to sleep and how she was so thankful that he did not have to suffer anymore but she would miss him, he was so smart and was like family. Like my dog he nos me very well when I am sad and when I need help everything and that to me says he has feelings and is alive. He even squints his little eyes at me when he is upset. So to me he to is life and yet they are allowed to be put to sleep not to suffer and the family is not drowned with hospital bills that could wipe them out. I was only using my mom as the main example of when it would be. She was terminal with liver and lung cancer and the doctor did not expect her to last as long as she did. She was in pain the way she gurgles and moaned said it all. My heart was crushed as many of you have experienced the watchings of such things and just find it odd that an animal can be laid to rest to not suffer but a human can not if terminal.
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SSG Gerhard S.
Many of us find nothing irrational about NOT wanting to suffer in pain for one's last days, weeks, or months. I want to qualify my support for euthanasia that it is only rational if it is voluntary, and made by an alert and oriented individual, or by one's selected Medical power of attorney under predetermined guidelines. Once government becomes the decider, on euthanasia whether proactively, or through the denial of reasonable treatment, the thing we're talking about becomes murder.
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I understand the effects you have from chemical exposure . I too have been down that road . It is not something that I would wish on any one no matter how much I loath them .
Working on and around equipment of all kinds we were exposed to solvents that were banded for use in the 50's and 60's but being it was the Army it was ok . Carbon tetrachloride and freon 113 and other isocyanates used as solvents . All have exposure warnings that include cancer and death . This was not only type of exposure we had it was in the form of experimental drugs and vaccines . Just as we had before going to Desert Storm . I had friends who were sick as I was who had the same vaccines , on the same day I that received them, that did not go to Desert Storm . They (IE The Military ) are still in denial fighting this over 20 years later . Don't give up keep up the good fight . We keep you in are prayers too !
Working on and around equipment of all kinds we were exposed to solvents that were banded for use in the 50's and 60's but being it was the Army it was ok . Carbon tetrachloride and freon 113 and other isocyanates used as solvents . All have exposure warnings that include cancer and death . This was not only type of exposure we had it was in the form of experimental drugs and vaccines . Just as we had before going to Desert Storm . I had friends who were sick as I was who had the same vaccines , on the same day I that received them, that did not go to Desert Storm . They (IE The Military ) are still in denial fighting this over 20 years later . Don't give up keep up the good fight . We keep you in are prayers too !
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PV2 Violet Case
Thank you SGT Ray Gadbury, You no this mention of solvents I am going to go threw my records because when I was in Germany they had wrote the rashes may have come from a reaction from solvents. And maybe that was why I did better for awhile and then when I went to Germany and was working with solvents in the motor pool it set it off again. How ever to think of this many toxins at once is like you said nothing to even wish on someone you may loathe.
"The thought of Mustard Gas,that particular toxin, along with Agent Orange, the less well-known but even more toxic Agent Blue, Sarin, VX and a host of other man-made chemical killers.Now add in the depleted uranium .
The devastating effects on the human body of these chemicals are well known. These effects were the purpose of their development. But, not even the maddest scientists operating in the darkest days of Nazi death camps ever conceived of exposing the human body to all of these toxins at once. " The doctors keep telling me I am dying from it and it will get worse before it gets better doesn't help mentally, but they have to tell us what they can or no. Some of my doctors have known and cared for me through so much never new all this have even been effected and I have seen them also leave the room when I could tell they were getting watery eyes. But as they said at least now we no what it has all been about why so much has been wrong with me because the one doctor said to be frank with you I had a hard time believing one person could have so much wrong with them and so young. I will pray for you too , the power of prayer can do so many things but the doctors I realize have to prepare us for things but at the same time doesn't help the fear of it all. But you no so many may think of it as sympathy seeking like a few civilians I no but it is trying to make people aware that these toxins could be in any one of us and not even no it till years down the road. If they can do it to all the ones they have allowed so far how many more. I just read some stuff about afghanistan and Iraq that explains to me why they had all that at Ft McClellan for future use in war like these and some sit dormat for years before symptoms and if you are not showing symptoms when in the military you can not get paid if they dont pass it. So before people judge they should realize this could happen to anyone ever in the service.
"The thought of Mustard Gas,that particular toxin, along with Agent Orange, the less well-known but even more toxic Agent Blue, Sarin, VX and a host of other man-made chemical killers.Now add in the depleted uranium .
The devastating effects on the human body of these chemicals are well known. These effects were the purpose of their development. But, not even the maddest scientists operating in the darkest days of Nazi death camps ever conceived of exposing the human body to all of these toxins at once. " The doctors keep telling me I am dying from it and it will get worse before it gets better doesn't help mentally, but they have to tell us what they can or no. Some of my doctors have known and cared for me through so much never new all this have even been effected and I have seen them also leave the room when I could tell they were getting watery eyes. But as they said at least now we no what it has all been about why so much has been wrong with me because the one doctor said to be frank with you I had a hard time believing one person could have so much wrong with them and so young. I will pray for you too , the power of prayer can do so many things but the doctors I realize have to prepare us for things but at the same time doesn't help the fear of it all. But you no so many may think of it as sympathy seeking like a few civilians I no but it is trying to make people aware that these toxins could be in any one of us and not even no it till years down the road. If they can do it to all the ones they have allowed so far how many more. I just read some stuff about afghanistan and Iraq that explains to me why they had all that at Ft McClellan for future use in war like these and some sit dormat for years before symptoms and if you are not showing symptoms when in the military you can not get paid if they dont pass it. So before people judge they should realize this could happen to anyone ever in the service.
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I do not believe it's wrong to ever help someone ease their suffering no matter the circumstances. I pray you will find a way to ease your suffering Sister. Thank you for sharing this.
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PV2 Violet Case
Hi PV2 Lisa Wilcox, I had gone to the doctors here in Dec asking for a leg brace. I will post the right after surgery and now xrays. They new that my state medical would be ending soon and they have waited until this next Aug to get me for a leg brace. I'm no tasking for them to cut off theirs and give it to me. But they cut mine off and it did not refuse all the way. The little femor was the only one holding good and the leg was not as bent. Now all this waiting my ankle is now bent more bone spurs coming in it and the femor is getting a hairline fracture too. I fear that they will wait until they have to amputate it. I could walk better, care for myself better , have a better life and maybe even drive myself farther alone because it is my right foot and the pressure to push the gas pedal sometimes is to much pain which could distract my driving so I always try to get rides. All I want and need is a little brace it will probably ease some pain too. Do I ask to much??
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