Why is it so hard to discharge soldiers who continually miss drill/battle assembly?

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:34:44 -0400

I'm seeing more and more soldiers just out of training not showing up. First I ask myself why. Second I ask why should it take 9 missed mutas to actually affect the soldier? Sure you can take their bonuses and GI Bill benefits but at the end of the day it's a general discharge. I think there needs to be stiffer penalties for those soldiers who waste the militaries time, money, and resources. Any other thoughts on this?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 9:49 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:49:12 -0400

A commander has a small range of actions he may take to correct or retain a Soldier. An NCO can do far more for a Soldier than a discharge packet.

NCO's can work with the Soldier instill some sense of duty and responsibility and hopefully transform them into an outstanding individual. I'm seen some fairly poor privates turn into stellar NCO's.

In the case that the NCO's can't assist the individual Officer's can discharge someone with 9 mutas, a commander may flag a Soldier for 1 unexcused absence. Typically it take far more than 9 before a separation packet will be processed anyway. Other than honorable and dishonorable discharges are only available through a court martial they are not appropriate for someone who just stops attending BAs.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 10:15 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:15:36 -0400

This is a struggle. I am happy you brought it up. I have two soldiers that comes and goes.. and one even stayed away for 4-5 months, then came back and is not punished. It has gone so far that I no longer want to be a part of it. The Army used to follow it's own rule book - now it is cater to the weakest element. A "no child left behind" mentality. The Army is getting weaker for it, and I can no longer represent that weakness with a pure heart.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 10:58 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:58:24 -0400

There are some Commanders that either don't know how to do the paperwork and are not wanting to ask or the Commanders simply do not want to do the paperwork.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 10:58 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:58:24 -0400

Its not that hard, just takes an aggressive S-1 and a command in favor of separation.

In my last company command (transportation company with 170 soldiers) I inherited 37 non-pars when I took command. Over the two years that I commanded the company I rehabilitated 21 of those non-pars. I actually called them personally and invited them to come to meet with the first sergeant and me for dinner the Friday evening before drill where we sat down, had dinner and discussed their reasons for not attending drill.

Of the 15 who showed up, one had serious family issues and didn't even consider the military as a resource to helping her through them, the others all talked about command climate issues. Those 15 soldiers all came off the non-par list and became productive and mostly content soldiers, as did six of their friends on hearing of the changes.

As for the 16 who did not rehabilitate their attendance, and 13 others who were continuous PT, height/weight or UPL flags, my personnel Sergeant with support from Battalion pushed the separation papers and within three months of filing they were off my books, with new soldiers from Retention and Recruiting taking their place.

It can be done, it just takes diligence.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 11:48 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:48:33 -0400

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member, there is a personal and a political angle to this one. My answer will probably draw fire.

The personal angle is that it takes a lot of paperwork, done in sequence and within certain time frames to throw a Soldier out for UNSAT. This protects the Soldier's rights and ensures due process, but the weakness is that the commander and his UA at minimum must be fully engaged for the entire six month process - making sure everything goes where it is supposed to go when it is supposed to get there. That is a lot of time investment in a Soldier who will never do much for you, and many commanders figure that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Those commanders don't realize the more subtle negative effects this has around the formation, as others who are unmotivated or disillusioned see there are no consequences and follow the example. And the cycle continues.

The political angle happens well above company level. The CAR is under a lot of pressure to show that the USAR is a good investment in an age where drawdowns are occurring. That boils down to strength and constructive attendance numbers. If he fails to convince Congress, the USAR gets cut. Non-Participants (or "ghosts", as we have colloquially called them) count as end strength, and could theoretically be activated if needed in the event of war. Now we all know what the numbers looked like when they tried to activate these cats during the dark days of Iraqi Freedom. Many of us can tell stories of how miserable these disgruntled Soldiers made our life if they did show up. That doesn't matter, because if the budget gets cut, it will not come back for a long time.
So intense pressure is placed on MACOMs to recover these Soldiers. I could tell many tales of being told to pay Soldiers just to keep them off the NONPAR list for questionable things like the GAT or AT Level 1. It is a very demoralizing place to be, when you work hard to enforce standards and are undercut by these political realities.

My personal opinion is that I only want Soldiers who want to be there, and I owe it to them to make their training relevant and interesting so that they want to be there. I have a responsibility for that as much as the Soldier does. How many just fade into the ether because they miss a drill and nobody calls? Nobody cares? In that regard, the higher CoC is exactly right that leaders should not just give up on people because they are too "busy" to find out what happened to them. The former CG of USACAPOC fired some commanders when he got packets on his desk saying that the Soldier was an UNSAT and couldn't be contacted and MG Jacobs (or his aide) was able to find them easily with facebook or a phone call. Respect, sir. That was money.
If leaders are engaged, UNSATs are pretty rare. I can proudly say that is six years as a First Sergeant, I can count on my fingers how many U's I issued. When a troop didn't show up, I went and found them. One time (and this is now legendary in my unit), I went and found the troop at church. I found him and quietly waited in the back as the service took place. During a break in the action for greetings, a number of people came up to me (I was in uniform) curious why I was there. I said I was trying to find Specialist Tentpeg because he did not report to drill and I was worried about him. The good people of the church did my work for me, and embarrassed, Tentpeg reports back to the unit and wasn't a problem again.
As a footnote, the Soldier did bellyache about me embarrassing him and how he hears all about it when he goes to church. Too bad.
Footnote 2: That church reached out to me years later when we deployed to Africa, even though Tentpeg was no longer in the Army, and very kindly sent several care packages to us.

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Oct 19 at 2015 1:24 PM

MAJ Jim Steven — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:24:36 -0400

I commanded a multi-compo unit back in the day....
we had people missing drill because they were contractors living in Iraq!!
We also had some silly "save the soldier" program where the NCOs had to call and damn near invite the reservist to come to drill...
But I did have someone share some interesting perspective...drill duty isn't their primary bread and butter - if you are making 50K a year at your regular job, trying to get promoted through those ranks...drill just isn't a super priority for you - I guess I get it...I don't know...

Response by CSM William Payne made Oct 19 at 2015 2:32 PM

CSM William Payne — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:32:15 -0400

This has been a question that has been around for a long time in the Reserves. We have worked hard to try and expedite the process when there was in fact no way to recover the Soldier. The biggest hurdle is legal making sure that all the i(s) are dotted and the t(s) are crossed.

A story for perspective. In 1958 - 1959 my dad, who was career active Navy was the senior full time NCO at a Navy Reserve Center in Winston-Salem, NC. This qualified as a shore duty assignment for him.

He ended that tour with a bad evaluation as a reprimand by his commander for refusing to falsify records to show that the Sailors were coming to drill on the weekends when they were in fact working at R J Reynolds making a lot more money working on the weekend shift.

Back to today. In order for the Reserve components to remain relevant they must maintain their numbers. This is done be either maintaining those already on the books or recruiting new Soldiers to fill the void.

Ask any recruiter, finding qualified candidates is getting more and more challenging. Only about 24% of the pool between 17 and 25 qualify physically or mentally. Remove those either have good job prospects or are going directly to college. Subtract those with criminal records or taking medication for diabetes, asthma, OCD or ADHD or whatever. Add in a few other disqualifiers and you end up with a pool of around 5%. The total military is already less than 1% of the current population of the US.

Big picture, given the time and financial investment the military puts in to each Soldier, unless the Soldier has a proven and WELL documented history of not meeting height and weight standards, APFT failures, insubordination, substandard performance and / or toxic leadership, the COC will not be as quick as we would like to separate.

We accept that there are extenuating circumstances that may keep Soldiers from battle assembly.

We rely on first line supervisors to reach out to these "ghosts" and try to re engage them, if not for their units maybe for another.

Sometimes it only takes a phone call or a cup of coffee.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Oct 19 at 2015 5:23 PM

COL Jon Thompson — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:23:35 -0400

As a former Battalion Commander who dealt with a few UNSAT packets, I understand your frustration. The situation is compounded by the part time nature of reserve Soldiers, including the chain of command. It is admittedly a pain in the butt to have to try and track down Soldiers. It is even more painful when you don't have the people to do it for you like you would on active duty. At the same time, we as leaders owe it to the Army and to the Soldier to put forth the best efforts to try and recover those Soldiers. The Army invested a lot of money in BCT and AIT for these Soldiers. It is the right thing to do to protect the Army's investment and also it helps out the unit. If you get the Soldier back, it is good. If you do the due diligence and discharge the Soldier, then it frees up a vacancy that can be filled. If we don't follow the procedures, the Soldier will sit on the NO PAY list and take up a slot which does not do anyone any good.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 5:28 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:28:24 -0400

First ask "what made these soldiers decided to stop participating or why they decided to not show up to drill"?

As a TPU commander I too had these soldiers that did not show up for long periods of time.

I had to learn to get involved in these Soldiers lives. Some of these Soldiers hated all of the Manditory training and sitting around during drill. Others made comments to me that said First Line Leaders really did care if they showed up or not. And others just didn't have the money to come to drill

So as a commander I listen and did the best I could with the Help of the 1SG and Senior NCOs to change our drills. We still did our Manditory training but made sure that soldiers did less sitting around and more training. Set up car pool to help with soldier who had no money to come to drill.

I'm not saying it fixed everything but we did have less Soldiers missing drill, and the Soldier to First Line Leader relationship improved a lot

It's not hard to process a soldier out, but there is a reason why ther are not showing. These Soldiers committed to joining the army, got passed Basic and AIT. So it shows commitment.

I know there are some we just can't reach and processing them out is probably what is the best, but I remember being a Pvt. at my first unit, and getting too many U's because I was trying to do college and Army Reserves. An NCO gave me a second chance and encouraged me to come to drill and ask for help when I needed it. This was before cell phones and I lived 3 hrs from my drill unit. He did that and more because he was my Squad Leader. Now I'm an officer and 19yrs in. Thanks to him, I stayed and made sure I followed his examples. I hope this helps

Response by MSG Alfred Aguilar made Oct 19 at 2015 7:57 PM

MSG Alfred Aguilar — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:57:25 -0400

Toss them into the IRR after two missed drills. Keep your slots open for those who want to be there.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2015 10:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:57:12 -0400

Can't speak for Reserve side of house, but on Guard side it takes generally 4 months to discharge a Soldier for Unsats. 3 months (usually) to accumulate the 9 UTA's needed and a additional month to get paperwork processed. That includes the certified letters, etc.

It all boils down to what the policy letters, and SOP's state on how to address unsat performance. On the Guard side not only do they lose all their benefits, a General discharge, there's also the civilian legal trouble they get into. In TN I can swear a warrant out for AWOL. Soldier gets arrested and has to go in front of judge. If they don't turn their gear in...guess what? Yup another warrant. If value of gear over $1000.00 guess what? A felony(theft over 1000.00). So yes 2nd and 3rd order effects can and sometimes are painful.

Response by LTC Martin Metz made Oct 20 at 2015 12:55 PM

LTC Martin Metz — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:55:46 -0400

Flag soldiers who are unsat early in the process. There are some that play brinkmanship with the 9 unsats. They play the game and come back right before the clock stops on them. The clock re-starts only to go through the same unproductive process again. Flagging is an early alarm and can end up going with the soldier if he ends up back in the IRR.

Response by 1LT Wayne Travers made Oct 20 at 2015 2:10 PM

1LT Wayne Travers — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:10:56 -0400

During several officer assignments in the Army National Guard, including company commander, I faced this situation, so I decided to take active measures. These included contacting a Soldier's employer directly offering to provide a drill schedule and discussing the employer's requirements under USERRA (when work conflict was the Soldier's excuse of choice). I even dropped in at a Soldier's employer, a car dealer, with a pre-written counseling form and had the offender sign it right there. I also conducted home visits with my Readiness NCO on those who failed to report. Believe me, the expression on a Soldier's face when he sees his commander and the unit Readiness NCO at his front door is priceless. My biggest frustration, however, wasn't with the Soldiers who didn't show up, but rather with the unsat Soldiers the National Guard insisted on keeping in the ranks. Once, I recommended that two NCOs, both with 20 years of service, not be retained and provided documentation as to my reasoning (multiple APFT failures, failure to meet height/weight, unsatisfactory performance) but both stayed in uniform. This may be part of the "numbers game," but it has a corrosive effect on morale and a leader's ability to maintain standards.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Oct 20 at 2015 2:31 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 14:31:43 -0400

If you signed on the dotted line, you have an obligation to make good on your commitment.

Likewise, when the gov't enters into contract with servicemembers and makes promises to them, it TOO should honor its end of the agreement. Am put off by the way the gov't gets to make unilateral changes that take away promised benefits and at the same time the same people screwing the veterans are giving themselves and their staffs exemptions from Obamacare, relieving them of their obligation to pay off college loans, and they of course have access to better healthcare than what we were promised would be "just like theirs."

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2015 3:30 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:30:17 -0400

The key to getting a member processed out for missed UTAs is documentation. The regulation requires it to be 9 periods so that is 2 and 1/2 UTAs. Depending on the members rank and length of service and the type of discharge the commander is recommending, will determine whether or not the individual is entitled to a discharge board. In the ANG, the member must be a SSgt (E-5) have over 6 good years of service or if the discharge will be and under other than honorable condictions. If thery are a first term airman, then they don't get a board - you send notice, they have usually 30 days to respond or submit documents for consideration and then the commander makes his decision, the JAG reviews the package and then it is sent to state headquarters for processing. If you have good documentation then it is quick - but so many times, there is missing certified mail receipts (green cards), etc. and the JAG has to send the package back to the unit to correct. It is a legal process that must follow the regs.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Oct 20 at 2015 4:11 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 16:11:38 -0400

To busy processing good Soldier's out

Response by MSG Lance Kelly made Oct 20 at 2015 10:14 PM

MSG Lance Kelly — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:14:40 -0400

There have been some great responses to this question. I am JAG and I can tell you the good and bad. It takes 9 unexcused absences within a one year period to get the paperwork going as long as the unit is documenting the absences, sending them to the Soldier's last address known address, and shows attempts as reaching the Soldier. My command covers three states, CA, AZ, NV so it's not uncommon that a Soldier lives far from the unit making it difficult to drive to their house to get them. However, as others have mentioned, Soldiers use social media and can be located. As JAG we have a data base that we can use to track a Soldier's address.

If a Soldier fails to respond to a notice of separation the CG can discharge them with an Other Than Honorable (OTH) discharge which results in an automatic reduction to a Private (E1). This is common in my command. Rarely will you get an unsatisfactory participant who responds, if this is the case it usually related to miscommunication between the Soldier and the unit. If a responding Soldier has over 6 years of service they are entitled to a hearing before an administrative separation board. The board hears the case and then makes a recommendation to the CG. The CG cannot give a lower discharge than what the board recommends. However, I have seen where the board recommended a suspended discharge but the CG disapproves the suspension and the Soldier is discharged. Once the CG signs the discharge I have seen discharge orders published within a day.

Going back to what others stated, our goal is to retain these individuals. They joined the military with the intent of serving honorably but somewhere along the way they were not challenged, they were not being trained, they were not being Soldiers/Sailors/Marines/Airmen. It is our job as leaders to ensure we engage them, that we challenge them, that we develop them, and that we give them opportunities to lead. They are our next leaders, we owe it to them to set them up for success. When they don't show up we need to ask why and determine what we can do to fix it. Yes, they have an obligation because they signed a contact but have you ever walked away from something because you felt it wasn't what you thought it was? I bet that is the happened to many of these individuals, they felt the military wasn't what they thought and chose to walk away. They are responsible for their actions but as leaders we are responsible for them. What are we doing about it?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2015 11:43 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Oct 2015 23:43:30 -0400

Your S1 has to ensure he or she keeps the UNSAT letters and build the non participate packet. And another option is to transfer them into the IRR.

Response by PV2 Ronald Primo made Oct 21 at 2015 1:16 PM

PV2 Ronald Primo — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:16:41 -0400

As a recipient of General under Honorable due to UnSat I must give my view. I enjoyed being a soldier, really enjoyed training, however the thing that caused my lack of participation was when I showed up for drill that faithful weekend every month I was met with the following scenario almost every time I went.

Lack of training......show up for morning formation, fall out and sit around all day waiting for someone to decide what we will do. It was pretty lack luster when it came to weekend drill. Sad when the only excitement was when selected for KP. Because you knew you would be busy all day! That's why I quit showing up as did 90% of the guys that signed up around the same time I did. Why waste my time and energy for someone that just didn't care about my time.

Looking back, I should have just asked to transfer into R/A but I was young and thought I knew what I was doing. My old NG unit has been since decommissioned and no longer exists. Charlie Co 3rd / 130th infantry.

Because I never saw active duty the U.S. Government doesn't even acknowledge me as a veteran, however, I can assure you I never relinquished my oath to defend this country.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2015 1:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:55:06 -0400

Retention is a key responsibility, and it's everyone's job. This can found in the regulations. The military's resources are already invested in the soldier, so discharging them would be wasteful and irresponsible. People have lives to live outside of the military and taking their benefits because they missed a couple of drills is a little ridiculous. You have an important responsibility to retain a soldier if at all possible.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2015 2:18 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:18:16 -0400

Ok. After some more thought, input, and reading some responses on this topic let me ask this.

A majority of the responses so far have been from SR level personnel ie: CDR's, 1SG's etc. where are the PLT SGT's, SL's, and TL's, and what impact do they contribute to this? Are they doing their jobs? Is the unit leadership empowering/mentoring them to do their jobs?

I'm in a PLT SGT position. I'm in contact with my SL's numerous times during the month with via phone, text or face to face. Not just for unit business, but also making sure they're doing good etc. more often then not just to shoot the shit with them. I also remind them to stay in contact with their TL's and Soldiers. Occasionally I'll talk to my TL's and even some of my Soldiers. I know who is having any issues etc. I honesty can't recall the last time I've had a AWOL Soldier.(41 man Infantry PLT currently over strength).

Response by SPC Tiffany Koehler made Oct 21 at 2015 4:57 PM

SPC Tiffany Koehler — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 16:57:29 -0400

I remember some soliders avoided their unit if they had been harassed.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2015 6:12 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:12:53 -0400

You may have the wrong focus and the wrong question. The question should be 'why are soldiers, recently returned fro training, not attending drill?' To answer that question, you need to reach out to the troop.

As a Squad Leader, I called every soldier before drill to ensure they were attending, they knew what was scheduled, they had transportation and to get a sense on their work-life-military balance. When they arrived at drill, I greeted them at the door. During the drill, I got my squad together for a teaming discussion. I continued this habit as a Plt Ldr, XO, Company CO, BN CO, and 2-star Command Staff officer. Instead of forcing soldiers out, I welcomed their participation (it is more fulfilling). If, after all your efforts to keep soldiers involved, they continue to miss drill, then start the paperwork.

However, in one incident, I learned that one of my officers was not attending because he had lost his wife to cancer. After repeated calls of support, he returned to drill. He found a unit that supported him and wanted him. Within 6 months, he replaced me as Commander. Sometimes people just need to be reminded that you care and that drill is much more than being in the Army.

Good luck.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2015 6:43 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:43:58 -0400

And those are he ones that need to be kicked out! But here is the catch....while there are regulations for everything that is done, the commander can ensure they don't return to the military either by effectively using the proper discharge codes.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2015 11:42 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:42:26 -0400

Try to catch'em texting Miley lyrics to each other, that oughta do it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2015 11:59 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Oct 2015 23:59:29 -0400

It's a numbers game. The more soldiers we have on the books the more money we get for our budget. Not that it's right but that's how it goes.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2015 11:11 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Oct 2015 23:11:38 -0400

The actions from the UA are not that difficult; its a letter sent to the last known residence of the soldier. The first letter is sent via certified mail; subsequent letters can be mailed by First Class USPS. An affidavit of service by mail needs to be completed for each letter mailed. All of this should be routine for a UA. Once the Soldier gets 10 or more Us, all of the copies of those letters, affidavits and mailing certificates are sent to legal along with a 268. With our unit we have gotten "rid" of 7 unseats by perfecting the process. The main problem now is OPERATION FULL COURT PRESS. "they" don't want to get rid of anyone because they need the numbers for $$$.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2016 5:50 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:50:36 -0500

Great question, as readiness nco I deal with this 90% of the time it seems like and I've only been in the position for 6 months. I am still trying to discharge people that I've never met and they haven't been to drill in a year. When I went to a recent class and had a briefing from legal, the NCOIC's answer to me when I asked your same question was it takes so long because it should and the soldier has rights. I was not happy with that answer. I best advice is do your due diligence to keep pushing the dirt bags out by doing the right paperwork and procedures and don't kick the can down road even when frustrates the hell out of you. Sorry kind of a rant on my part.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2016 2:18 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:18:59 -0400

This is a great question. I look forward to everyone's answer!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2017 3:12 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 05 Jul 2017 15:12:15 -0400

how do you even get an unsat?

Response by SFC Christopher Taggart made Dec 30 at 2017 10:26 PM

SFC Christopher Taggart — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:26:44 -0500

It must be “Murphy’s Law” because I’ve seen good soldiers on AD and in the AR that made a mistake, and plead their cases to stay in and were pink-slipped in a month, while the dirt-bags completed their enlistments before they were ever chaptered out.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jan 13 at 2018 11:54 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:54:01 -0500

It is this generation has never had to be accountable, they grew up in give them another chance, do overs, and everybody is a winner, not to mention my favorite your special (like a little yellow bus special but that is my opinion). You can't touch them, beat them into submission, and paperwork doesn't intimidate them. I am all for spend the weekend at drill or spend it in jail, but the police have far more pressing things to do.

Response by SPC Taylor Webb made Apr 13 at 2018 9:30 PM

SPC Taylor Webb — Fri, 13 Apr 2018 21:30:25 -0400

dude, I missed 1 push up on my last pt test a month before my contract ended and they flagged my to stay for another year, so I just left. I got 23 days before my chapter, but honestly that was sum seriouse bullshit on the armys part, I even had 2 no count push ups but they still gave me the shaft. i wasn't in the right state of mind at that time, pretty depressed and yet they did nothing about it, plus i had dislocated my shoulder a few times but still no relief. So chew on that before you judge for stiff penalty's!