Why is only now Donald Trump being fired?

2015-07-08T08:42:12-04:00

Good morning. I have been wondering something. I hope you can share your insights. Why did it take Donald Trump comments on Hispanics for him to get fired? Why was it not considered freedom of speech? I ask this because Mr. Trump implied our POTUS needed to prove he was a citizen among other things. He implied Obama was not educated enough to be president. Why did got to be considered this is Trump being Trump but the comments about Hispanics had such dire consequences for him?

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jul 8 at 2015 8:46 AM

2015-07-08T08:46:19-04:00

Simple he brought in ratings.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Jul 8 at 2015 8:59 AM

2015-07-08T08:59:18-04:00

As said before, you have the freedom of speech and the freedom to deal with the outcomes of that speech. It may not always be "fair" in the eyes of everyone but the fallout from what you say or do is on you to deal with. This is just a case in point of that.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jul 8 at 2015 9:04 AM

2015-07-08T09:04:17-04:00

First, our Freedom of X, whether it be Speech, Assembly, Religion, etc is often used incorrectly.

It is a PROTECTION from GOVERNMENT action when we are using those things. For whatever reason, many people do not understand that. Simply put, you can say almost anything you want, and the GOVERNMENT cannot do anything to you, but you are NOT Free from the Consequences of your fellow Citizens.

If your fellow Citizens turn a blind eye, there are no consequences. If they choose to take action, those Protections are NOT applicable.

This is NOT a (Protection of) Freedom of Speech issue. Mr. Trump has been exercising Freedom of Speech the entire time, and barring the Mayor of NY saying his contracts should be investigated, there have been no (Protection of) Free Speech issues. If he gets fired from a Private Party, that does NOT trigger 1a issues.

But back to your original question. When you talk about 1 person, you have 1 person mad at you. When you talk about a CLASS OF People, you have a class of People mad at you, as well as anyone who wants to PROFIT off said class of People. That is why he is seeing the Consequences of his Speech now.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jul 8 at 2015 9:07 AM

2015-07-08T09:07:14-04:00

SPC Makissa Lewis, Don't fall trap of the media. Donald Trump can't be bought off like other politicians. That is probably one reason why he can speak without much concerned with PC. Also, like someone else said, the TV networks got ratings out of calling out Trump and his comments of which were in reference to the illegal aliens who commit repeat felonies. I did see an edited version of a snipet which was altered and it appeared that Trump said Hispanics were criminal but that was incorrect and false.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 9:21 AM

2015-07-08T09:21:23-04:00

Freedom of speech is freedom from government prosecution so one will not go to jail for saying something stupid but it does not extend to employment. If someone wants to make a potentially controversial remark publicly that is in direct odds with their employers social or political point of view they have the right to fire that person.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 10:42 AM

2015-07-08T10:42:05-04:00

I am beyond lost? Who fired Trump? He is a multi-billion that runs his own businesses. I am not sure how he could be fired. He is worth 4.1 billion.

Freedom of speech means idiots can say what ever they want. I am not saying that he is an idiot but just because an opposing view doesn't mean he can't speak out. If you think he is crazy you need to look up some other people out there.

Response by SSG Joaquin Santos made Jul 8 at 2015 10:43 AM

2015-07-08T10:43:57-04:00

Sgt Kennedy spoke it perfectly up there. Basically, freedom of speech is NOT freedom from criticism. Too often, people think freedom of speech means no one should be upset by what was said. The constitutional right of freedom of speech only means the government can't throw you in jail (or worse) simply because of what you said. Trump is free to be the bigoted blowhard that he is, without worry that he'll get locked up. However, Univision, NBC and anyone else offended by his remarks are also free to feel and say what they think about him as part of their own freedom of speech.

Lastly, as Sgt Kennedy stated as well: there's a difference between a derogatory comment towards a person (in this case, Pres. Obama) and a derogatory comment towards a whole group of people. Personally, the birther claim seems based on a racist presumption as well, but every president has a target on his back for unfounded claims of some sort. Trump meanwhile indicated that EVERYONE who comes from Mexico is either a drug dealer or rapist, oh and MAYBE there's a few good people thrown in there as well. Univision is a Latin company- how would they NOT be offended by that?

Response by MAJ Pete Joplin made Jul 8 at 2015 11:21 AM

2015-07-08T11:21:04-04:00

SPC Lewis, you don't need "insights" and that's not really what you're looking for. You're looking for someone--anyone--to validate your disagreement with Trump and how he treated your Caliph Sheikh Ø-bama-bin-lyin compared to his comments about Mexicans.
No, what you need is education. Trump wasn't "fired." The show on NBC was HIS show. NBC has simply chosen not to "buy" it any longer. I'm not a Trump fan, per se, but he's better than your your Caliph Sheikh Ø-bama-bin-lyin, who is the worst POS ever, and wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in the forehead!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 11:26 AM

2015-07-08T11:26:27-04:00

It's a good question but I'm sorry to say I don't know the answer to that one.

Response by SSgt Charles Edwards made Jul 8 at 2015 11:27 AM

2015-07-08T11:27:06-04:00

Unfortunately, we live in a world of political correctness and corporate kiss asses. Trump spoke what a good number of Americans were already thinking. Yes, he's going to take shots at the President, but what declaring candidate doesn't? Were his remarks about Hispanics out of line? Perhaps. That is why NBC parted ways with him. Viewership and ratings are everything in televised media, so alienating part of that crowd by keeping Trump on would be bad for business. I think Trump should have split from the network before declaring his candidacy and making his controversial remarks. At least that way, it may have only been limited to political suicide.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Jul 8 at 2015 11:35 AM

2015-07-08T11:35:11-04:00

He didn't get fined or arrested. People used their freedom of expression to do business with him or not. He's not doing the Apprentice right now because he's all in on the campaign. (2nd in the poles!)

He isn't being racist. He employs thousands of Mexicans. At first, I didn't take him seriously but given the fact that our enemies no longer fear us and our allies no longer believe us, we need someone like Trump to say to ISIS "you're fired", to Iran "you're fired"

He's just repeating what government reports are already saying.

Response by SPC Makissa Lewis made Jul 8 at 2015 12:22 PM

2015-07-08T12:22:50-04:00

Below is the statement release by NBC in regards to Trump situation. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. See below:

At NBC, respect and dignity for all people are cornerstones of our values.
Due to the recent derogatory statements by Donald Trump regarding immigrants, NBCUniversal is ending its business relationship with Mr. Trump.
To that end, the annual Miss USA and Miss Universe Pageants, which are part of a joint venture between NBC and Trump, will no longer air on NBC

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Jul 8 at 2015 12:48 PM

2015-07-08T12:48:44-04:00

Generally, a person is free to say anything they want:
until someone objects
Until you become celebrity enough to have every word analysed by the press
Until you word a comment without thinking about how it will repeated in the news
Until you run for president, and then all words, deeds and life history are up for criticism
Until those that lay in wait for you to say something they can misrepresent are given something to use.

Not that Trump deserved getting jumped on, but he fits all the above criteria for getting stomped on for speaking his mind.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2015 8:15 AM

2015-07-10T08:15:32-04:00

Trump is the only politico that likes to tell the truth about what is going on.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Sep 8 at 2015 5:14 PM

2015-09-08T17:14:06-04:00

Has Trump been fired? I hadn't heard. What comments about Hispanics? I haven't heard him say much about them. It seems he has little time for idle chit chat. He is focused on illegal aliens which does include many Hispanics. Yes, there are those who attempt to turn his comments against him as racist, but how are they racist? Trespassing isn't a racial issue, is it? It's a legal issue. Indeed, his comments on this subject have won him support. I can't imagine how that would get him "fired". Can you?

Why was there no outcry in response to Trumps other plaints? Which ones? Questioning the President's failure to prove his citizenship? What's wrong with that? There is a Constitutionally defined requirement for the presidency that has never been satisfied. No, I never heard it raised before with any other candidate. Have you? But there is plenty of evidence that Barack Obama may not be qualified. He has claimed legal status as a foreign student to gain certain advantages at American universities. His birth certificate has been presented and retracted countless times (most currently called into doubt by the issuing agency in Hawaii). I never heard Trump (or any other responsible party) claim that Obama wasn't a US citizen. They have merely asked that he provide proof of natural citizenship as a reasonable response to Obama's own statements of being foreign born.

When has Trump claimed that Obama isn't educated enough to be President? I may have missed it. Please provide a citation. I will, however, agree that Obama never evinced any practical experience that would qualify him to be President. To be honest, most voted for him simply because of his race. I don't hold that against him and I haven't seen any other responsible party hold his race against him. Indeed, most of us, Obama's severest critics were happy to see him elected for just one reason: That is demonstrated that racial discrimination, although some may still harbor it, was no longer officially sanctioned (or even acceptable in polite society).

Now please help me out. I've have taken much time seeking help in understanding the issue. Will you help me now?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 10:30 AM

2015-09-09T10:30:03-04:00

In the land of political corectness, Mr. Trump has been set to sail. One has to make sure that any words leaving your mouth are not offensive to anyone, spares the feelings of all and most often are the polar opposite of what you really want to say.... so, why say anything! LOL

Response by LTC John Wilson made Nov 9 at 2023 3:09 PM

2023-11-09T15:09:22-05:00

Two reasons:

(1) Trumps remarks did not apply to all Hispanics. It only applied to cartel and MS-13 gang thugs who exploit a porous southern border, violate our immigration laws, and then commit violence against US citizens.

(2) At the time of those remarks, Trump served in the role of a business owner... And the only person who may fire a business owner is the business owner, himself.