Why is the care for veterans not equal?

2015-11-04T22:20:41-05:00

I went through the MEB process and I can say I was taken care of. I am rated at 90% with the VA. Resources, care, knowledge of a lot of benefits and the upmost respect from civilians and higher ranking officials were at my fingertips. I was already locked in with the VA, all my care was setup, I literally had nothing to worry about. When I went to the VA here in Martinez, California, I had appointments already lined up and the staff were absolutely curtious to me. So why is it when soliders get out on a chapter or regular ETS, they are lost? They have to wait months to be seen, or even talk to someone. Now I understand going through a MEB is for an injury and the solider should be taken care of. Shouldn't all soldiers being taken care of though, have the same resources, opportunities and advantages? Why is there such a huge disconnect between soliders getting out on a MEB than a soldier getting out regularly?

Response by SSG Keven Lahde made Nov 4 at 2015 10:23 PM

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SGT(P) Latoya Unger I am at 80% SGT and I don't mind the care I receive at the VA.

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Nov 4 at 2015 10:26 PM

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SGT(P) Latoya Unger great question, it should not be a disconnect, however it does happen. The MEB was designed for the utilateral service combined when the Veteran gets out. It must be a glitche in the system. Most of my friends are good to go. Military pay and VA going out the door. Some even got social security.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2015 10:32 PM

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We are expendable assets. Both during and after time in uniform.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 4 at 2015 10:44 PM

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And that is the million dollar question... I get most of my care at the Tucson VA here in AZ and I have no issues with the care I've received nor have I heard any real "horror" stories, but down the road at the Phoenix VA, all I hear are horror stories... Newspaper worthy horror stories and were talking about at a facility a few hours away from each other in the same state. Why that is? I wish I had an acceptable answer, but I don't. I'm just thankful that I get to go to the Tucson VA... And thankful that you are receiving the care you deserve. Many of our Vets, through no fault of their own, aren't so fortunate...

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Nov 5 at 2015 1:00 AM

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I think that it just depends on where you are.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Nov 5 at 2015 5:46 AM

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Where were you stationed when you went through the MEB? I truly believe just a few concerned people (no matter the job) can make a difference for the entire organization and evidently you had some good people that were concerned and addressed your health care needs. Interested as to where you were stationed SGT(P) Latoya Unger. Thanks for sharing the positive story of having your medical needs addressed and taken care of, we need more positive stories like this.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 9:04 AM

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I completed my VA process prior to retirement, had my rating about 30 days after retirement. The VA in Asheville treats me well, though I have used them for very little so far.

Response by SFC David McMahon made Nov 5 at 2015 9:23 AM

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I'm currently being medically separated after 22 years of service and feel the same.
I honestly believe anyone retiring should have access to this program. It seems unfair to me that someone who did 20+ years has to wait in line when typically all the resources are available anyway. Additionally, if you've done 20+ years with no significant injury, the process should actually be quite simple.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Nov 5 at 2015 10:30 AM

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One would think. Unfortunately, not all VAROs and VAMCs are created equal...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 11:35 AM

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Great question , Sgt Unger. Here in Columbus Georgia, you wait about two months for an appointment and the you may drive 80 miles for that appointment, even though there is a brand new military hospital at fort benning. ( about 20 miles from me). So we have to go to Tuskeegee or Montgomery Alabama. When you do go to see a doctor, you Never hear from them again. They say all these nice things about how they gonna help you and get all these test lined up. Just a smoke screen.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 5 at 2015 11:41 AM

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In the MEB process the military works with the VA, so there is a basis for a smoother transition.

Response by SFC Tim Drye made Nov 5 at 2015 12:04 PM

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The VA system is overwhelmed with all the Soldiers coming back from all the deployments and injuries. The military as done a decent job setting up the MEB process with the VA. The problem lies in regular ETS Soldier that's not afforded the "connections" that have been set up through the MEB process so they have to search for the information. I recommend they find the VA rep or DAV which can guide them through the many assistances that are available

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Nov 5 at 2015 12:23 PM

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I think it depends where you live. I live in rural Tennessee and I have to drive a long way in order to get ANY kind of VA issue taken care of, even though we have somebody right here in town that is supposed to assist Veterans in finding answers.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Nov 5 at 2015 1:04 PM

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SGT(P) Latoya Unger NCO, great question. I too went through the MEB / PEB process under the new combined system and faced some disconnects. My rating paperwork fell into a mysterious hole with the VA in Seattle. I would not have known this, but the VA Representative told me that "someone forgot to push the button to have the claim rated." My PEBLO was nice enough but did not truly understand how the Army operated and was very junior. Kind enough, but not engaged. I suspect that is more due to the sheer number of cases assigned. The medical professionals at the VA hospitals were I attended my rating appointments were courteous and professional and the medical professionals on the Army side were fabulous.

In my humble opinion when a Service member is transitioning from the military to the civilian world they should have an advocate who assists them in filing claims, scheduling medical appointments, and understanding the disability claims process with the VA. I recognize the DAV, VFW, WWP, and others offer this, but the support I have received is sporadic as again, these service organizations have more personnel with claims than they can effectively manage. My idea would involve a "battle hand off" of a Service member from the military branch to a VA advocate who would provide the assistance through the rest of the process.

I have spoken to many veterans who feel once discharged they were effectively abandon by the military (since they did not retire they had no benefits) and were overloaded by the VA process. Having a bridge the gap advocate and procedure might solve the issue.

The medical care I have received from the VA in Orlando has been great. Only now am I beginning to experience issues with obtaining appointments.

Lastly, I don't believe the VA or the military was prepared for the "long war" veterans influx into a system which was never designed for the numbers it now supports. Our duty, IMHO, as NCOs is to assist others as we can. While I may be retired, I still believe we must help each other.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 6 at 2015 2:12 PM

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The MED board synchronizes medical records, physical, military off, and VA offer. Those who don't get the MED board has themselves to orchestrate everything.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 7 at 2015 11:22 AM

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I want to share a mistake that I made. When the psychiatrist asked how I was doing, I replied I am doing OK, in reality I was experiencing depression, anxiety, or anger. My new normal feels like a miracle occurred, however, I am not really normal.

Response by SGT Barry Third made Nov 10 at 2015 7:12 AM

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there are classifications, income restrictions ,and in general flagging , such as a drug abuse,,These apply to NON rated service members,,,WHY you may ask,?? Budget cuts and funding ,,I use the TOGUS VA, and i have no complaints there,, but some of our guys arent so luckly

Response by CW5 Ivan Murdock made Nov 10 at 2015 7:30 AM

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The VA is overwhelmed trying to bend over backwards to service connect everything. Soldiers that get out on chapter or at the end of their contract that don't have anything wrong with them (not service connected) aren't given free care for the rest of their lives. All soldiers that are permanently hurt on active duty should have the same resources. To many misinterpret that the VA is permanent health care and it is not- unless it is service connected. The vast majority that simply ETS will have no VA health care benefits. From a taxpayer perspective - if you do three years, do you think that should be lifetime healthcare. Three years with any corporation doesn't provide those benefits after you depart. The MEB process gives many a leg up as it collects all the medical information and automatically (nearly) rates it as service connected. The departing soldier has to go to a VSO and have determined what is or isn't service connected. If you ETS at 23 years old and at 50 have a bad back - should the VA provide healthcare? The answer is if it didn't happen during your tour of duty - no. Many will go back and try to get it related to an event while serving and the system gets overwhelmed because the provider at the VA will try to connect it. The political football of showing them turning away a Veteran.

Response by COL John Power made Nov 10 at 2015 8:02 AM

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The VA has a priority system based on the degree of disability (or not) and whether or not the disability is combat related. Wounded/disabled come first. There is also a financial component. Reasonably well off veterans who are not disabled go to the bottom of the list. The system is in place because some locations are short of resources vs. the population they are trying to serve. Phoenix may represent such an example.

Response by CPT Pedro Rivera made Nov 10 at 2015 8:42 AM

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I had the VA rep during my separation flat out lie to me about what needed to be done. If it wasn't for the fact that I have family members that work in the VA I wouldn't have known what I was authorized or what was supposed to be done. Then again, I separated in 2007 and they really didn't care at that point. I had a VA psychologist tell me I had PTSD and in my evaluation write that I had major depression and anxiety issues instead. It took me an additional 4 years to fix that and get the assistance I needed from the VAMC.

Response by MAJ George Huley made Nov 10 at 2015 8:46 AM

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I would like to know why AC Soldiers get higher ratings than Reserve Soldiers. I was in the USAR and was hit by a car while doing Army PT. I was retired with 40% disability. I have had 8 surgeries since dealing with the resulting damage. I work with a retired Active Duty AF person who retired with sleep apnea who was given a 50% disability. My wife is retired USAR, service related PTSD and also has Parkinson's disease and had to fight for 70% disability.

Response by CSM Mike Keuten made Nov 10 at 2015 9:24 AM

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When I retired after 30 years went to VA for the separation physical. The VA Doctor said my records were to thick and he didn't have time to review them. My records were less than an inch thick. This was at Ft. Lewis, the Doctor also wrote that comment in the remarks section of the physical.

Response by SFC Cary Jeffery made Nov 10 at 2015 9:25 AM

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News versus old. Paper versus electronic. Microwave versus oven. The government want it fast. Your generation want it fast. But everyone want resources for a long time. Care is the objective when aptitude is the method and measurement of the care provider. Mistaklely, the main stream thinks the atitude is the person or patient only more than provider. Apathy is real world and military culture. If Veteran care is possible, then passing it on to comrades!

Response by SFC Cary Jeffery made Nov 10 at 2015 9:36 AM

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I complete MEB in 1999. But my records went missing for the pass 15 years in the VA system. The VA still has not report my official records in the 2013 C&PE. YES, Every Veteran Serve, But Served Differently at the VA.

Response by COL John Hudson made Nov 10 at 2015 9:54 AM

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There are as many reasons as there are individual service members, each with a different issue. There is not, nor has there ever been, a "one size fits all" policy within the military system as a whole, nor the VA system as well. I'm quite happy that you are receiving such excellent care. Please know that I am +68 years old and a boots-on-the-ground combat veteran of Vietnam, Balkan Conflict, and Iraq. That said, I also receive the highest level of care and attention from the VA. I suggest that your comments about others have to do with the specific issues they face, combined with a lack of personal knowledge about how to navigate within the VA system. That's what Patient Advocates and others within the VA system nation-wide are there for. The VA system is user-friendly IF one does their homework and seeks available assistance. I have personally found that to be true in all my encounters with the VA, its system and personnel. Hope this helps.

Response by PO2 Shawn New made Nov 10 at 2015 10:01 AM

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limited resources mainly, and poor management of those we do have. I am not rated yet, so the care I am receiving is not great. The system is so arcane and complicated that it is hard for most people to even get started. There is very little advocacy and no end in sight.

Response by PO2 Bruce Lacillade made Nov 10 at 2015 10:12 AM

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The sad part is that not everyone is aware of what a solder,sailor, airman or Marine sacrifices for their country. For the last 50 years society no longer develops our youth so they can become whole adults. The youth from the 1960's on are now in power positions and without a solid formation to fall back on they are too busy working on their own desires to see others needs.

Response by PO2 Harold Trott made Nov 10 at 2015 10:38 AM

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During my separation they asked me if I wanted to opt in for VA medical and dental as they do everyone I believe. The requirement was honorable discharge and a one time payment of $150.00 for the processing. I too got Carte Blanche because I "listened" to what the Yeoman was saying. I have no service connected disability and to this day I receive immediate care for any ailment I may have. Because I was in a combat zone I "decided" to participate in a program that taught Cognitive behavioral therapy to combat PTSD. I was never diagnosed with PTSD I merely volunteered due to a suggestion from the man who first taught me my combat training lessons. The VA has been right on top of things in my case and whenever I think about my whole service I think it boils down to the question they asked me during separation. Lots of vets chose the $150.00 for their pocket and in doing so they refused priority medical care. Can anyone fill out the paperwork? I'm sure they can but nothing speaks louder than opting in in the first place. I go to PAD for my care and they have Stanford doctors there as well and they have UCSF doctors over at Ft. Miley by my home. The VA in MY case has done an excellent job for me. If you weren't asked the question I was during separation and you participated in the GI Bill program I suggest you find a good rep to help you out. It will take longer that way but it will get done if you are eligible. The best of luck to all my fellow vets in getting what you need.

Response by PO1 Jeff Williams made Nov 10 at 2015 10:47 AM

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I guess it's hit and miss with the clinics and hospitals. I have been to clinics in Alabama and Florida where the care is superb! My care was so great in Alabama that I was afraid to move to Florida after hearing the horror stories, But, thank God, the care here has matched the care there. So far, so good!

Response by SGT Megan Gray made Nov 10 at 2015 11:07 AM

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I agree, there is a huge difference between MEB and regular veterans. I had an MEB also, but some of my battles got out regularly. They have no clue about the resources available to them and I am being asked for advice all the time. I don't mind, but it makes me frustrated that they get thrown aside, especially since I was always in a hospital and never deployed and they have. They certainly deserve more for the separation from their families and the other hardships they received from deployment. It shames me to be so taken care of when they are left to flounder.

Response by PO2 Tommy Crews made Nov 10 at 2015 11:16 AM

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I received a medical discharge in December of 1990 due to back surgery that consisted of spinal fusion from L1-S1 due to herniated disc and fractured vertebrae. At the time the Navy only rated it for 10%. It took me approximately 3 years to get it to 40%. Now all these years later I had to quit working due to my back problems and the pain I am having, the nerve pain in my legs and my leg just giving out on me causing me to fall. I recently did a re-evaluation for my back, legs, feet pain, depression, anxiety, and hearing loss. The VA gave me a new rate of 50%. I don't understand how some people I know and others I hear stories about receive much higher rates for less severe problems. To me it feels like if you weren't injured in the last 10 years or so or didn't retire they don't want to give you a decent rate. I just don't understand why that is.

Response by SFC Jason Thomas made Nov 10 at 2015 11:41 AM

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I'd have to say that most soldiers who are ETSing are much more concerned with "getting out" than actually paying attention to the information that is offered to them with their separation services. The information is there, it's an individual's responsibility to set themselves up for success. I did not MEB. I retired with 22 yrs, and was awarded 100% through the VA the month after my official retirement date. They only had to back pay one month. So, the system works if you do what needs to be done. Of course, only my opinion ;)

Response by SP5 Armando Burbank, PMP made Nov 10 at 2015 12:02 PM

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I truly believe it depends what VA hospital or clinic the vet. attends. For me, I travel nearly 50 miles sometimes twice a week but I get compensated for travel but literally for the past 3 years I have been treated like a KING

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Nov 10 at 2015 12:35 PM

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With there being such a tremendous amount of vets going all the way back to the Vietnam era , the VA in my findings and dealings with them is like a first come first serve bases. It can be very frustrating and even feel that we are not being treating equal. I can say get you a snickers bar cause it's going to be awhile! It will definitely frustrate you and teach you patience for sure.

Response by CW4 Don Cummings made Nov 10 at 2015 12:45 PM

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They should apply for benefits asap- can do online and at the local clinics.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Nov 10 at 2015 1:15 PM

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I think it all depends on what VA center / hospital you are dealing with. There are some good ones out there that our fellow veterans speak very highly of, yet overall the VA is an overburdened beast that is so far out of touch they don't realize they are not doing a bad job.
I got out in 2004 and it took me until 2009 to successfully get a claim filed and a decision reached. It was always the same old story about nothing on record, you never filed, you must not have completed the filing process, etc.. Going to the local VA in Norfolk, VA was hit or miss. The front desk staff almost never manned the front desk or were on personal calls when you approached and they always gave you the one minute please. And the counselors were looking at you exasperated as if you were keeping them past their time to go home.
The VA needs some serious overhaul so that all clinics operate like the one you go to and that the other veterans say are great. The clinic here in Oxnard, CA is by far more friendly than the hospitals at Sepulveda or Wilshire but the Oxnard clinic still lacks doctors or even PA's.
I do think that the VA can get to giving the proper level of care in a timely manner if they cut the dead weight and that means that Congress has to act to make it easier to fire those administrators who collect a huge check and don't do anything of value.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Nov 10 at 2015 1:18 PM

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SGT(P) Latoya Unger The Reserve/National Guard system is not setup the same way, even when returning from deployment most folks want to go home verses stay on endless medical hold.
Only a few individuals will get an MEB evaluation and even if you have medical conditions in the Reserve system it is YOUR problem, not the service.
I know that some people seem to be able to take advantage of the system, but from what I have seen this is one of the many reasons why we have inconsistent processes.

Response by CPT Jason Perry made Nov 10 at 2015 1:40 PM

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Not that it should be this way, but, folks ETSing do not always have same training or understanding of process as those who go through MEB/PEB/IDES system. TAPS is often not comprehensive enough.

Folks ETSing can apply to VA for Benefits Delivery at Discharge program to get VA process started before separation.

Response by CDR William Kempner made Nov 10 at 2015 1:48 PM

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I have always found my own experience with the VA to be very spotty. As one of the LAST WW II GI Bill guys (they call us Article 30s" courtesy of "Jimmuh Cahteh"") they broke my shoes when I tried to establish eligibility for Educational benefits the first time I got out-1981. I lost a day's pay, and waited from 8AM until 3:55PM at the old VA Center on 7th Ave and 24th St in NYC. Only when they told me to leave, and I refused and they told me they'd call the cops and I said "Go ahead", did one older gentleman-another vet-not one of the losers hired during the Cahteh Administration-sit down with me and help me out. Later when I retired from USN in '94, I got excellent dental care at the VA Hospital in Livermore, CA. near where I was last stationed. Went smoothly. They had to mail my dental crown to me as I returned to the metro NY area. In 1994, in the NY area, if you weren't a WW II vet, they wanted NOTHING to do with you. I took my crown, my VA Card from Livermore, my retired ID card, and went to the VA Hospital at Northport, NY and the screener told me "You really shouldn't be here. You have a job. This is for people who need it."(!!!!) I And then she asked, "How do I know you are who you say you are? " I showed her the crown with the model of MY teeth, and the temporary crown in MY mouth, and she STILL called the VA Hospital at Livermore to see if I was really me!!. (What a load of B.S.) I had a 10 % disability, granted during the Clinton Administration, but I stayed away from the VA after that-worked in health care for almost 12 years- then I reinjured my Achilles-service connected -and had the surgery done at my old hospital. Afterwards I was talking to some young vets, and when I told them I had a 10 % -they looked at me, and said "Man, you're probably a lot more f--ked up than you realize!! The Clinton VA wasn't giving anything to ANYbody!! Go to the DAV." Good advice. The DAV is GREAT!!! I recommend them to ANY vets having trouble with claims or getting seen. I went back to Northport for the first time in MANY years, and got upped to 30% disability. The care is always good, but unless it is for the actual injury, they want you to pay for it. I'll pass-I can see my own Dr. for a lot less. The VA alienated a generation of veterans from the Vietnam/post Vietnam era-and they KNOW it. We are their LARGEST potential audience (My hat is off to our newest veterans but it's so. ) And we are the SMALLEST user group. And they know THAT, too. I have friends who just refuse to use them. I have been apologized to several times by VA reps for the shabby treatment in the past-they admit it! I have given them a third chance. But at this point, it is care of the last resort. I'm glad our young combat wounded guys are being taken care of FIRST-they deserve it, but again, it is very spotty-they care is usually always good- but much depends on the location and the staff.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Nov 10 at 2015 2:51 PM

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It comes down to the people who gets the information and assistance ahead of time, And those administering your Final Physical and making the notes in your Medical Records. Everyone may go through the same exit physical but at that time they just want out, so they don't make sure all their medical issues are annotated, it depends on the Doc doing the physical and med record review. I know when I was getting out I had a Good Doc that put down some injuries I had that gave me a Zero Disability Rating and I being young and Dumb argued with him not to rate me disabled, and I made copies of my SRB and Med Records. Unless you have those that really care about Making sure your best interests are Priority 1 AND the person exiting the military is interested in making sure all their injuries and exposures are recorded, the V.A. Process will be long because you are trying to claim something that was not put in your records, Plus what the V.A. allows as claimable at that time. Vietnam vets are the ones that have had the hardest battles do to some illnesses not being connected to certain exposures while in service for years before now being considered a confirmed service related illness. Plus most service members don't even know where to start went doing anything with the V.A. I am Non-Service Related, unemployed and The V.A. and I have had no problems, They Treat me great. I got out in 95 and just started seeing the V.A. 3 yrs ago because a Vet Rep in the Work Force Center I went to for unemployment office Told me about the assistance I was eligible for and helped me get started, on the health care side of the V.A. I tell any and All young and old vets that great resources for help are D.A.V. The VFW and American Legion Word of mouth is how most vets get their information...the V.A. Doesn't advertise a lot of the assistance available, you get that info from those vets that know it's there.

Sorry for being Long Winded

Response by SSG Karl Fowler made Nov 10 at 2015 2:56 PM

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Sad to say but it is a hit or miss how you are treated at the VA hospital. The Hampton VA here in Virginia was bad until our Senator Warner stepped in, and this VA hospital has done a complete turn around. Its is nice to be greeted by the employees who really care about you,

Response by LTC Michael Parker made Nov 10 at 2015 3:01 PM

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Under the IDES, you undergo VA evaluation as well which helps in terms of getting the VA rating done in a timely manner. You have proposed VA ratings prior to separation. Those not undergoing IDES evaluation should take advantage of the VA's Benefits Delivered at Discharge program which can help setting up benefits prior to discharge.

Response by CPT Jim Davis made Nov 10 at 2015 4:57 PM

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I think it may be because the connection between the services and the VA isn't as focused for regular ETS as it is for MEB. There just doesn't appear to be a solid program in place (and hasn't been since I got off active duty in 1976) to guide servicemembers TO the VA.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Nov 10 at 2015 5:31 PM

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I have a Regional Rep and a Service Officer. Both are civilians. Why doesn't our own VA hire veterans as they have been there, done that? But I have been fighting the VA and the Kentucky VDA for over 3 years now for service-connected disability. I was repeatedly exposed to "ionizing radiation", both my PCP and Oncologist have written letter proclaiming me to be 100% Disabled. Hawk Radar (CW) Missile System gave me pancreatic cancer. They removed over half of the head of my pancreas and sewed the remainder inside my stomach. So, along with the cancer in 2004, becoming an instant clinical diabetic when they cut off over half of my pancreas and total, 100% Neuropathy in both hands and feet from six months of 24/7 chemotherapy. First claim rejected as the NAVY said I was never exposed to "ionizing radiation". I was ARMY for 6 years as my DD214 states. Second claim rejected because the AIR FORCE said I was never exposed. Like I said, ARMY for six YEARS, two honorable discharges. Then my appeal was denied, it was an email and they never stated a reson. Same email that gave me the URL for a NOD. (Notice of Disagreement)
I wish they would call me in for a physical, 7 scars on my abdomen from surgeries, one on my spine from the pain pump insertion 9/11/2012.
I have also been denied Medical Benefits, no reason stated.
So, I agree with you, not all veterans are treated equally.
Thanks,
Rick

Response by SGT Tim Fridley made Nov 10 at 2015 6:31 PM

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The disconnect comes from the fact that there is a system set up for MEB where the injury is obviously service connected but regular ETS you must have proof of service connection also you have VA doctors that do the tests and exams then have a pencil pusher behind a desk reading a chart to determine how messed up you are the service organizations really help in that. Case in point several months ago I had an exam to increase a percentage on an issue I had been originally rated at 0% was awarded 20% but then it was suspended because the pencil pushers said they ordered the wrong test though they were the same ones that awarded the increase the system is just crazy and in dire need of a fix

Response by PO2 Nick Burke made Nov 10 at 2015 7:59 PM

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Yes they should. Unfortunately that is not what happens. I does seem to have gotten better since the mid 90s, but that's not really any kind of endorsement.

Response by SMSgt David A Asbury made Nov 10 at 2015 8:26 PM

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I have help many friends to file a claim with the VA when they asked me help. The answer was the same when I asked my friends, "Why did you refuse to have a discharge physical?" The answer is," I was in a hurry to get out and did think I would need it, since I felt good at the time." Well I hope that anyone nearing their discharge date, please take the time and get the discharge physical. It will be a handy tool in the future if you need to file a claim. There should not be a difference in the rating given by MEB or VA. They both should use Title 38 of the US Code. The code tells what rating is given for a certain disability.

Response by SGT John Pleites made Nov 10 at 2015 8:41 PM

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When I went through MEB in 2010 he VA was not involved whatsoever in my rating. DoD rated me at 90% and retired me, after I got out I had to wait almost 2 years for the VA to give me a rating even though I already had my permanent PEB/MEB rating. Things would have been much easier if things were done like the way they are done now. The best part of being retired from the military is that I got to keep my medical benefits because I f'ing HATE going to the VA for treatments, plus there's no way in hell I would let the VA touch my spine, civilian surgeons it is for me.

Response by SGT Adlee Spratley made Nov 10 at 2015 11:47 PM

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For me personally, when I got out in April 2005 on medical separation my PEBLO guided me on what I should do and also the Transitioning seminar that you take when you are about to get out the military (I didn't fight to get retired because it took 3 years for my medical board's first decision...I was physically and mentally exhausted). I received my VA rating at 60% in October 2005. They were not doing the VA ratings like they are now. But once I got into the VA healthcare system I had no issues with them. I was scheduled my appointments timely, thank God. But now I am 100% permanent and total and I receive SSDi because I am unable to work.
I am glad things went smoothly for you, and prayerfully it will be for more soldiers.
By the way, I go to the VA in Hampton.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Nov 11 at 2015 12:17 AM

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SGT Unger, when you go through the MEB process everything is lined up for you if you’re getting out and have issues. Not so for the Soldier who ETS’s with no issues (this doesn’t mean they can’t get care). They need to go to the VA, establish eligibility (pretty straight forward), get appts then go to them. If they are filing for disability compensation, that’s a whole different animal. http://www.va.gov/healthbenefits/apply/veterans.asp

Veterans Eligibility - Health Benefits

For the purposes of VA health benefits and services, a person who served in the active military service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable is a Veteran.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Nov 11 at 2015 12:20 AM

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Here’s a great page that addresses many of the issues and comments I have read in this thread. Hope this is helpful. http://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/586/busting-myths-about-va-health-care/

Busting Myths About VA Health Care Eligibility - VAntage Point

Rumor mills are permanent fixtures in schools, offices and wherever people congregate, and most of the time they’re pretty innocuous.  But myths and rumors that deal with health–in this case Veterans health–are a serious matter that can prevent qualified Vets from seeking the care they both need and deserve.  Many have come up in the comments section, and others I hear from the guys in my old unit.  The myths won’t die unless...

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2015 12:56 AM

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I disagree. There must be a hierarchy. If you want to streamline the process, call out PTSD fakers.

Response by SPC Douglas Fuller made Nov 11 at 2015 1:54 AM

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I really am not sure why that is but that is the problem I am going through right now, I have been in and out of va appointments and physical therapy and now I am just getting the run around about my shoulder. I would love some kind of real answer from the VA but sadly nope, this happens to almost everyone i know as well

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Nov 11 at 2015 2:18 AM

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In my experience, I would say that the care is not equal because VA Health Clinics/Hospitals are not equal. I have relocated several times to different States and different VA Clinics/Hospitals from Orlando, FL to Buffalo, NY, to Denver, CO, to Alexandria Louisiana and Manila, Philippines and when I tell you that if you have been to ONE VA...that means you have been to ONE VA. Treatment and equipment available at one VA is not available at another, i.e. diabetic shoes/socks, shower accessories meant to accommodate disabilities, mobility needs equipment and worse of all, medications. Every time I changed VAs, I had to accept in at least one medication because of the formulary list used. At one VA, I received one drug for cholesterol and at another they gave a different (cheaper) medication as a 'generic.' At another VA I was reassigned to three different Primary Physicians in two months due to attrition. Manila, Alexandria and Denver were what I would consider 'good' VAs...whereas Buffalo, Niagara Falls, Colorado Springs were not so much. Orlando in somewhere in between, however since the bubble burst on the issues coming out of the VA and Orlando opening their brand new facility, Orlando has become vastly improved. But, know this...all VAs are different. I visited several others in my travels but have never actually been assigned at those clinics. Some are good...some are OK...some are really bad. If you are having a good experience, I am very happy for you....but, not everyone is having a good experience.

Response by PO2 Weaver Brian made Nov 11 at 2015 2:39 AM

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Here's the real deal. Not all VAs are the same. My usual VA Hospital in Loma Linda, Ca. is great. I have had nothing but the best from all the people I have dealt with there from the time I first went there in 1998. I got out of the Navy in 1984 not knowing anything. Everything was just fine for me until Loma Linda sent me to Long Beach VA for a 2nd opinion on an orthopedic matter. What a nightmare. That is the nicest way I can think of to say it. In the end I had to get my congressman involved. That's how Long Beach was. If I never go there ever again, it would be just fine. I'm happy to be dealing with Loma Linda again.

Response by CPT Jim Schwebach made Nov 11 at 2015 7:32 AM

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The quality of VA care is, unfortunately, variable from location to location, And from clinic to clinic within VA facilities. A prime example is VAMC in Dallas. VA Dallas is the home of surly service not only in the administrative areas like Comp and Pen where the surly standards are highest but in the outpatient clinics as well. The nastiest folks usually work the reception desks, (Are you listening visual and dental? - No, of course not). Some North Texas vets are fortunate to be able to transfer most of their treatments to the Bonham VA Hospital where they actually treat you like they are a real hospital and you are a real client. And it's clean too.
In the "civilian" health care world one can shop doctors and hospitals, it's possible to vote with your feet. In the world of VA health care, there are only limited opportunities to do so. We are, in most cases, a captive audience with all of the inherent low level treatment that infers.

Response by Col Gonzalo Arturo Gutierrez Orozco made Nov 11 at 2015 2:44 PM

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Yep i am in twon get back is good like before play ground no job or job is take for other
people dont have respect,just respect is OK.Give my some homework and is go on a be a dream back before I was a figther.VETERANS DAY HOME.

Response by LCpl H Tannehill made Nov 11 at 2015 3:57 PM

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It depends on which VA office/hospital you are dealing with. In North Carolina I had to do a mountain of paperwork so I gave up. When I got to Ca it 2-3 pages to get into the system for Palo Alto. I signed up 5 years ago and have had 4 different primary doctors. The first one I had was pretty clueless and seemed lost. Her English was broken and didn't understand side effects of the drugs she was pushing. I have had 2 good doctors out of the primarys that I have seen. The main hospital (2 hours away) has treated me well and been fairly efficient in handling my needs. Although it can take up to 3 months to get an appointment.

Response by CPL Marcelo Luc made Nov 11 at 2015 6:18 PM

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It is not good because a handful of Americas leaders hate the military and they keep cutting back on VA benefits.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made Nov 12 at 2015 7:28 AM

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The VA does a pretty good job but also to et treatment it also depends on your disability rating. It is like going to a your primary care doctor when on tircare, it takes time to se some of the specialist.

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Nov 12 at 2015 7:37 AM

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I am grateful that I had the opportunity to serve and retire from the Air Force and even though I knew benefits were eroding I always hoped for the best. My post retirement employer offered medical insurance and living in a smaller town it was a good option for me since many did not want to take Tricare. Over the years it worked out good using Tricare (Standard) as a secondary as some years ago Prime was no longer an option due to new regulations on distance from a MHF. That said, I always used Tricare for pharmacy since the co-pay was cheaper than thru my employer healthcare which I pay dearly for. Several months ago I was informed that Tricare will no longer pay for my meds since I have other health insurance. Long story short, now for just one medicine I need will go from $60 for 90 days co-pay to $148.00. While off subject up to a point this illustrates how it is easy to be cast aside after service regardless of promises made. For those who are struggling with the VA, hang in there and fight for what is yours and for those who are receiving the care you need and were promised, fight to retain it because it is only a rule change away from disappearing.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2015 10:56 AM

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I think the problem is three fold.

The Department of Veterans Affairs is inept at caring for the veterans they serve. They were never truly postured to support America's veterans in the first place. The issues with the VA seem to get worse as time goes by.

Secondly I think the VA is overloaded due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The number of folks injured who survived from IED's/mortars/gun fire increased. This is mainly due to life saving techniques in theater which have increased the chance a service member will live if injured.

Lastly the number of bogus claims with everything from sore toenails to sleep apnea has complicated matters. This kind of entitlement coming from current veterans is eventually going to break Uncle Sammy's purse.

Response by SGT Jay Ehrenfeld made Nov 12 at 2015 12:13 PM

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Sgt,
The left not consider us not human we are piece of trash so we have no right to anything

Response by 2LT Earl Dean made Nov 12 at 2015 12:40 PM

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SGT(P) Latoya Unger what SFC Tim Drye said is so true! It also runs on your rating when you get out! I broke my back in three places during Desert Storm and was put out at 20% and getting help from the VA sucks big! Adding things like my PTSD which they have been treating and the VA doctors have documented is something that is almost impossible! Been waiting three years now and they have been treating me for it for the past 15 years! If you don't or are not told you can list more than one thing at time of dx you get screwed! SFC Tim Drye is right get a good rep and if they don't help you fire them and get another! I was told DAV was a good one and they haven't done crap for me! Yet for others they swear by them. Its all in who you see and if they are motivated to do their job. Good luck!

Response by SrA Erin Hood made Nov 12 at 2015 1:23 PM

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As someone who separated 20 years ago, and was not service disabled, I did not enroll in the VA after separation. I didn't feel the need to do so because I went straight into the work force with a job that had benefits available and there wasn't a VA care facility within an hour's drive. Besides that, I did not want to burden the system.

Now, there is a facility in every county, for which I am glad. I had an abscessed tooth this year and went to the local outpatient care center with DD-214 in hand. I very quickly learned how eager the folks at the center wanted to help and were truly caring. They in-processed my forms on the spot, even though I made it in the door right at closing time. They set me up for an initial screening an appointment the next morning with a "float" doctor, who got me the antibiotics and anti inflammabilities I needed for my (by then) swollen face.

I was referred to the ER at Bay Pines to get my tooth taken care of, and was fortunate enough to have a friend drive me there 2 days later.
The nurse who screened me at the ER told me, "I can assure you that we aren't going to touch that tooth. We don't do that here... The best we can do for you is to give you an IV antibiotic. Please go back out the the waiting room, and the person who gives you an exam will make a determination as to what will be done".

After waiting 15 minutes, I decided to walk out of the emergency room and went to the Module "A" section because my local center told me that that was where I needed to resume in-processing (because my status was "unassigned") and I might as well try to accomplish something useful that day.

After seeing the nurse, the nurse practitioner and a doctor, they were extremely concerned about my abscess and the prospect of dying from sepsis, so much that they called upstairs to the dental clinic. "Cross your fingers" they said.

The end result was that BECAUSE I WAS NOT 100% DISABLED, I would not even be allowed to be seen for my dental emergency. "Good Luck" is what they told me after revising my antibiotic subscription and handing me a list of private practices who "might" be able to help me.

Two days later (making for a total of 5 days infected thus far) the pain was so bad I could not sleep and my face so swollen that the abscess finally burst open in my mouth. I then had the privilege of draining my own abscess, a gruesome task that I would wish on no one.

Now, after reading some of the other answers to your question on this thread, I agree that the DAV is the way to go when it comes to getting an advocate who can help establish disability status.
The VA is full of people that want to help, but are not able to, due to the horrendously bureaucratic atmosphere that is the largest health-care monopoly in the US.
It is the incompetence at the top of that organization that hampers the quality of care, and the ability for the care givers to actually be allowed to provide the care they want to deliver.

Later I discovered EMTALA Act, and only wish that ANYONE in the VA would have known about it.
With that law in hand, I could have gotten the emergency treatment that day, as I was entitled.

No my tooth is still not fixed, and I must say that I was impressed (in a bad way) as to the fact the more than half of the other veterans in those waiting rooms had less than half of their teeth.

If anyone reading this post cares to share this information, please feel free to do so.

EMTALA Act:
https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Legislation/EMTALA/

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid...

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Response by SPC Luis Mendez made Nov 12 at 2015 5:41 PM

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I have not one single complaint about the VA, NOT one for the 45 years since '70. Maybe I continue to be in Luck as I was back then, or maybe I'm just grateful and happy that there is such an organization it could be worst and as a matter of FACTS it's worst for most of the rest of the world. Or maybe being grateful leads to happiness. An Ungrateful people will NEVER EVER be happy.

If any; Complaints should be about some Warmongers part Intrinsic of the Military Industrial Complex in Wash. D.C. that are always looking for Wars here, there and anywhere. Many if not Most of these Politicians NEVER served in the Military. Some of the same are and have been for years what Jesse Ventura calls: "the chicken-hawks".

Others as long as there are enough SEOSEC's to send to wars here, there, anywhere and everywhere they'll do it. Now with a Military that's only ONE PERCENT of the population NOT MANY people care like back in the good old days of the DRAFT. Back then, sometimes men from an entire block, same street and neighborhood were called. Thus creating more concern in the Population, 'cause the Soldier was NOT some unknown in the other side of town. It was your son, my son, your brother, my brother, the guy next door, the other across the street, the one in the home behind ours and so on.

Response by Cpl Chris Rice made Nov 12 at 2015 8:29 PM

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The problem is that many individuals try and start the process after the already need assistance. Going to the government for anything is a slow process, it always has been, and it probably always will be. If you wait until you need assistance, or a service from the government that day then you are most likely not going to receive that assistance. When you went in front of the medical evaluation board the entire process was completed prior to you not having a job, and prior to you requiring assistance. If you need a disability payment in the next two weeks so that you can make a car payment the situation becomes far more stressful.

I knew multiple servicemembers, including myself who when it came time to be evaluated prior to separation were offered the ability to extend our enlistment to ensure that certain problems were sorted out prior to us leaving. Not a single one of us accepted this extension to our enlistment, instead deciding to pursue it with the VA at a later date. This really was a mistake on our parts, and a situation where we would’ve been sitting in the military for a few extra months waiting for a determination by the VA, some of us spent sitting unemployed waiting for a determination by the VA.

Honestly this is the advice I give to anybody who’s getting ready to get out of the military (not that many ask me), and that is to accept an extension to ensure that these matters are complete and finalized prior to discharge.

Response by SSG Gene Carroll SR. made Nov 13 at 2015 2:53 PM

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I don't know the answer to this since it seems like every VA functions differently in other states. But it's a great question.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2015 3:07 PM

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Good question. I'm about to go through the MEB process myself and I've heard the pros and cons from some folks who have gone through it. It seems like most of the cons came from people who weren't prepared, or didn't pay attention in the briefings.

Response by PO2 Lester Sullivan made Nov 13 at 2015 4:16 PM

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Thanx for reminding me, need to holar @ VA to send info for mine. DAV did their part,

Response by AA Charles Grammer made Nov 16 at 2015 4:11 PM

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You will notice that the major problems were in the south where they have the attitude to rape the VA of money and to hell with the veterans. That is the thought patterns of the upper class in the south. I am sorry if that is mean but that is the truth.

Response by 1SG Clifford Barnes made Nov 26 at 2015 4:04 PM

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Its the process that has to be followed. Some facilities are staffed and some ae not. Individuals have to follow the guidlines and many dont like this and expect to be treated instantly when they walk in. I volunteer at one and see the entitled egotistical people who come in here.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 26 at 2015 9:08 PM

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The system from leaving the military to being received into the VA is not standardized.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 15 at 2015 2:30 PM

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Imagine the MEB process is a nice big highway. Now imagine the non-MEB going on the back roads with the destination unknown at times.

Response by SGT Barry Third made Dec 17 at 2015 10:25 PM

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Well there are levels of care given by your status with the VA, for example tier 1 , 50 % or higher gets seen faster , with more attention to detail, there are 6 tiers, check them out on the new print of benefits,,.... with that being said, i have on occasion had to remind the staff that they work for me, and if not for me they would not have a job,,

Response by LCpl Donald Hall made Dec 20 at 2015 7:11 PM

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Check your veterans qualifications,their are about 10 different slots, like purple heart recipient..
Retries and so on.. i am Vietnam era #5 on list i believe

Good luck

Response by 2LT Earl Dean made Feb 1 at 2022 9:39 AM

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I have found help outside of the VA that has been great! I am not sure they will allow this content here but here goes! Look up on google VA guardiens They got me a really good en-crease in like two months. and VA claim pros. These tow groups are veterans and they know what they are doing! Yes there is a charge! Dont run yet! Both groups have a charge of 5 times the en-crease meaning. If you get 100 a month and they get you bumped to 1000 a month they charge 5 times the 900 they got you and they have diferent ways to pay the bill. it has been well worth it for me and my family. They do monthly payment or six months or one time payment. NO interest! and if they dont get you to 100% they will keep working on your case. I went from 20% to 90 % in like a total of five months, Man what a differance that has made! Good luck!