Why is the Marine Corps much more strict and carry a higher level of professionalism than the great US Army?

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I believe the Army can take some notes if you will from the Marine Corps. I love the US Army but I love the Marines traditions, their pride & honor, how much more close knit that they seem overall. I am not trying the belittle the Army I just wish that our level of overall professionalism matched our sister branch.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 7:09 AM

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Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Feb 16 at 2016 7:21 AM

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I was discharged from the Marines in 1961 so my opinion is probably dated but back in the day I believe the Marine Corps emphasized PT and Combat Training more than the Army except for the Army Rangers and Special Forces... I also served when Chesty Puller was our Commanding General and he really changed our training programs before he retired. We spent more time out in the field per Chesty's directives.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Feb 16 at 2016 7:50 AM

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The US Army is not great.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 7:54 AM

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"Physician, heal thyself". If you perceive a problem, fix it. Believe me we have similar traditions, pride and honor that the Marine Corps has, but they do a much better job across the board of fostering that sense of belonging than we do. I have always enjoyed working with the Marine Corps. I have also enjoyed working with the Air Force, and Navy. Each of the services has a different culture, and we can see that different Army units have a different culture when compared to other Army units. As a young paratrooper in the 82nd ABN DIV I was told I was the baddest Muldoon walking the planet. I believed it, as did the people around me, and we were an awesome unit not necessarily because we were trained any better (we weren't) but because we had the attitude that put us over the top. If the Army has a shortcoming it is that in some places/units/branches the mentality is that they are "just a maintenance unit" (Jessica Lynch said this after her release from captivity), or "I'm just a PAC clerk". In the Marine Corps EVERYBODY has the shared experience of being a Marine first, and a (insert MOS here) later.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Feb 16 at 2016 8:28 AM

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Lt. Little said at Tarawa, ““The Marines have a way of making you afraid—not of dying but of not doing your job.” I believe that one of the bulwarks of the Marine Corps is the constant focus on history. You are expected to be worthy of the standards.

I saw this on Tom Ricks’ Blog yesterday from a WWII Marine:

“The basis of success for my Marine Corps was the mantra of “you are now a Marine. You are as good as, but never better than, every other Marine” “Take care of your mates, do your job and never leave a fellow Marine behind.” No matter how important or how mundane your job, from the Commandant to the last private in the last rank, it is incumbent on you to do that job the best you can because this is the only way any of us will survive. Just as in the slums, we did our best and helped each other not just because it was the right thing to do but because it was the only way each one of us had a chance of continuing on.”

The Marine Corps focuses everyone in the whole Corps on the WHOLE Corps.

“My Corps,
Your Corps,
Our Corps,
Marine Corps!”

You get 200 guys screaming that out together and Dr. Pavlov will understand the effect perfectly.

The Army doesn’t do that. - that’s “Big Army.” The Army from what I gather stresses branch loyalty. It is a totally different basis for esprit de corps. And not a good one.

Every Marine has heard about the four Marine Corps colors:

“My Marine Corps color is Red. It tells the world of the blood we’ve shed.”
“My Marine Corps color is Blue. It tells the world we will be true.”
“My Marine Corps color is Green. It tells the world that we are mean.”
“My Marine Corps color is Gold. It tells the world we will be bold.”

The Army needs to stress its history and its heroes. It needs to keep unit cohesion alive. It may be too late for that.

I was a fire team leader, squad leader and platoon guide in Alpha 1/8 in 1976 and 1977. I can read about that they did on Tarawa. They were badly shot up. I know they were in Beirut where they were badly blown up. In fact, one of the lieutenants that Sen. Webb interviewed for his Emmy winning PSBS spot in Beirut was from Alpha, 1/8. I can watch the ‘Shootout!’ episode (it was just on the other night) about Alpha 1/8 in Ramadi.

Get the point? It may be too late for the Army to connect with that since they have largely sliced and diced their units so no one could follow many of the threads back to anything meaningful.

How many Army guys know who Lafayette Poole was? Walt Ehlers? How can the Army wrench its culture into a channel that will nurture a warrior ethos and loyalty to the whole?

I have no idea. They haven't maintained the links to the past.

I haven’t said this before. I haven’t been on active duty in 20 years. But I rant and rave about the Marine Corps and its foibles, and its institutional aspects, and no one ever says, “No, no, it’s all different now.”

I read Terminal Lance. I haven’t been a lance corporal in 40 years. But it all seems the same. That is the thing about the Marine Corps. It never seems to change. I posted the other day about having two young corporals get in line behind me at the DMV in 2008. Near as I could tell by standing right next to them, there was no difference whatsoever in what I wore when I pinned on corporal chevrons in November of 1975.

Work it Army. You might want to get rid of those ridiculous berets and your unflattering, odd looking dress uniforms. Go back to a green dress uniform - use the color from World War Two.

Go back to the Mandarin collar on your dress uniforms.

If you don't recognize the guy in the picture, go jump off a bridge.

Walt

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 8:37 AM

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You have the the power to make changes. First, start with yourself. You will be surprised how quickly others follow suit.

Response by SFC John Chmidling made Feb 16 at 2016 8:50 AM

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One of the first things you must consider in analyzing the 2 branches, is that the Marine Corps is a much, much, much smaller force, thereby, being more of a fraternity than the Army.

One of the comments I read discussed the propaganda that the Marine Corps spreads and lives by. During my time in recruiting we used to talk about how the Marine Corps would try to close an applicant. For the most part it is called the "testosterone close" they ask an applicant if they are man enough to join. Don't get me wrong if it works great but at the same time I want a soldier that can see thru the bs and excel.

Again the issue is that they are a much smaller force and can control public opinion more.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 8:55 AM

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Trust me brother. .I have friends and family who have served in the Corp and what they told me is that beneath all that is not what it's cracked up to be. People are objectified, and if yuo get hurt your just another malingering POS in many people's eyes in the corp.. it's kinda sad. Just what I have been told from others experiences and I know the Army is much different in that regard.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 9:29 AM

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When your tour is up, you can join the Marines. I would talk to a Marine recruiter, they can tell you what you have to do. If you talk to an Army Recruiter, they will talk you into re-uping for the Army! Lol

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Feb 16 at 2016 9:33 AM

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Nice can of worms you opened there Conrad. But you are right in that the Marines as a Service, have created and maintained an aura of invincibility that is carried on by not only the Marines, but by society at large. Truman said that the Marines had the best propaganda machine since Stalin and to some extent he was right. But far more than 'propaganda', the Marines foster an attitude built on history, tradition, pride and leadership. The Corps is only branch of service that tells you up front that you are going to TRY to join their ranks and that they are not going to compromise in order to make you a Marine. Other branches have their elite units that carry that same stature...Seals, Green Beret, etc.. and while the Marines have a pecking order within our ranks as well, the title Marine, regardless of MOS, rank, or unit, carries with it an automatic expectation of leadership, pride and honor. It's an understanding that regardless of job, each Marine is a rifleman. Each Marine is trained as a warrior first, crew chief, admin clerk, cook, infantryman, second. That's why "Marine" is always capitalized...it's at title.. not a job description. That's why Marines are always self aware.. that they represent the Corps 24/7. There are no bigger critics of Marines than other Marines. Finally, there is the esprit de corps... the brotherhood....the fact that anywhere a Marine is, he has a friend in any other Marine, active or not.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Feb 16 at 2016 9:44 AM

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The Marine Corps simply does a far better job from start to finish with those that join it's ranks. It starts with advertising and recruiting through MOS training and goes all the way to the grave whether you serve one hitch or a full career.

In advertising look at the Marine Corps messaging versus the Army. Maybe you can be one of us, The Few, the Proud or America's Warriors etc. versus Be all You can be or an Army of One (whatever that means) and a dozen others over the years. The Marine Corps issues a challenge. The Army promises job skills and benefits (like a federal job agency).

The Marine Corps focuses day 1 on making Marines first and foremost. History, customs and courtesies begin day one and those are ingrained not just in boot camp or OCS either. Every Marine knows many dates/battles/Marines of the past and a hundred other things that create a sense of belonging and a sense or pride and a real connection to the previous generations of Marines. We focus on being warriors. Every Marine is a rifleman. We all train and are all expected to be able to repel borders or take on an adversary. No exceptions.

You've heard once a Marine, always a Marine. That is true. We take the title for life. It wasn't a job we had or something we did at some point in our life (excluding some shitbirds, we all have some).

Some here call it propaganda or only perception but we all know perception is reality. Marines are different because they believe they are so much so that others see it and acknowledge it. Marines also know they are carrying the mantle of previous generations of Marines and cannot let them down. Any way you cut it, that is an edge.

That doesn't meant the Army doesn't have great units with great histories (Rangers, The Big Red 1, 10th Mountain etc). The Army has neglected to effectively teach, inculcate and develop the esprit de corps you see lacking. That is a leadership failure and must be addressed across the Army. It is disingenuous for some to say that you can somehow effect a change in this. Big Army did not get here over night. It has been decades of lower standards, relaxed training, reduced expectation and toleration of the slipping standards.

It is fixable but will take visionary leadership and time. The Army has a great history it is not teaching it's next generation. It is not just history but also higher standards and expectations from everyone in the ranks.

Response by TSgt Terry Hudson made Feb 16 at 2016 9:52 AM

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I agree with you. I know the AF is still a young branch but in my opinion it's a corporation with ranks and uniforms.

You can't really say well then make a change as if it's that easy. I get crap from some of the other NCOs for how "blue" I am. Lol it really didn't bother me at first but now it does. To me things are to lax in the AF. The only things stopping me from switching branches are I worked pretty hard for my rank and I can't let it go that easily and I know every branch has it flaws so I'd be stepping out of what I think is one pile of BS into another. The best thing for me would be to just keep being me and charge on.

Response by GySgt Carl Rumbolo made Feb 16 at 2016 11:20 AM

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Just a few thoughts on a touchy (very) topic -

First off there is a higher focus on customs and traditions than in the larger and more diverse services branches, with a smaller man-power base facilitating keeping those traditions alive. That 'esprit de corps" is fostered not only be command intent and commitment, but by doctrine. Every Marine, regardless of eventual MOS goes through additional infantry based training - the School of Infantry. Infantry MOS Marines get a more detailed focused course, while non-infantry MOS get a slightly different course track - but the bottom line is 'all Marines are riflemen" - a warrior based focus.

My experience, as well as observation (my son was in the Army and my son-n-law is now Army) is that Marines place more emphasis on warrior oriented training, annual recertification and training in combat arms related functions for non-combat MOS folks than other branches.

Another thing is the level of expectation in behavior and performance of individuals, particularly low rank enlisted and junior NCO levels, corporal (E4) and sergeant (E5). The Marine Corps did away with 'specialist' and 'technical' ranks in the late 1940s - a Corporal is an NCO, not a 'specialist' or an NCO. Typically Marine NCOs are entrusted with and expected to exercise more authority and responsibility that similar ranks than other services - 'the 3 block war' concept and other similar concepts.

The level of expectation is different - I saw this recently with my son-n-law, who after basic training was sent to an extended training at AIT. Long enough that the Army paid for his wife - my daughter - to relocate at government expense - yet no one in his class was authorized to live off post, or even have overnight liberty (even on weekends / holidays). I asked one of the senior NCO's about this and the response was enlightening and frightening. "They are too young and immature to be trusted with that" - Holy crappola - you are training them to maintain highly complex multi-million dollar helicopters and you can't trust them to go home at night and report for PT at 0600. Fine way to instill responsibility.

just my observation....

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made Feb 16 at 2016 11:26 AM

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One word: Pride.
Our officer corps has sapped the pride of the Army. Our history is every bit as glorious, but no one cares about it. The USMC Venerates its enlisted.. the Army looks at them as nothing but tools. It is very easy to prove.. look at how many things in the Army are named after officers and how many things in the USMC that are named after enlisted. We have created an Army Officer corps that only thinks and acts for their own benefit. It is hard to have pride in an organization run by such people. These same people place no value in Army customs and traditions. Through my interactions on RallyPoint, I've learned they don't even understand the Martial culture as they have never been indoctrinated to it. They just take a few college classes and go to summer camp.

This doesn't apply to all, but most.

Response by SPC Rory J. Mattheisen made Feb 16 at 2016 11:30 AM

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They don't.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 11:34 AM

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First, they are not. The grass is always greener on the other side of the concertina wire. Second, the Marine Corps is a MUCH smaller organization than the United States Army. It is inherently more capable of making change and fostering a climate that is pervasive. The Army is much larger and command climate tends to be localized. Your experience in the Army is decentralized and is dependent on the Command in which you serve. The Marine Corps has a great brand as well. Being smaller, they can control that brand better. They can also be highly selective when it comes to entry because...they are smaller...and don't have to worry about some of the things the Army has to do. Specifically, they don't have to deal with a larger logistics structure. The Army is actually tasked to support the Marine Corps when they run out of operational reach. They don't have the structure to conduct continuous land operations...and they aren't supposed to. This lack of structure in their force, allows them to focus on combat arms structure and gives the impression of a more "honed" force. If they Corps had to increase their size to become a sustained land power, they would suffer the same problems that the Army deals with in trying to man and equip a 450K force.

Response by COL Jeff Williams made Feb 16 at 2016 11:49 AM

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What do you see as the gap between the two services? Please be specific.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 12:08 PM

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Because the Marine Corps has to battle lava monsters and the Army doesn't:
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Response by GySgt Gilbert W M. made Feb 16 at 2016 12:31 PM

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The United States Department of Defense is the Greatest forces in the world, each branch has it certain innuendos, the Marines are known for unwavering discipline, being taught from day one that their leaders tell them exactly what to do, when to do, and how to do in order to stay alive. This of course is re-enforced as promotions occurs and leadership is instilled at the many different levels of training NCO, SNCO, and Officers all have their courses continuously while active duty. The ethos incorporating the initial training 'to be taken care of above all' and the follow on training of 'no one left behind' sets up the rest of the Marine core values based on the premise that they are a family of brothers/sisters that depend on the 'blind following' of subordinates and 'leadership' of senior Marines to accomplish anything. The other branches seem to me to look at their service more along the lines of a professional job which is not a bad thing but distinctly different, the feeling of responsibility towards each other is on a completely different level. Of course nothing is perfect and all branches have their on special set of troops that require special attention!!!!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 16 at 2016 12:38 PM

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Like the Marine who killed his "gf" in the Philippines?

Response by SGT Montana Crawford made Feb 16 at 2016 12:51 PM

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Because the people that believe that are marines.

Response by GySgt Kenneth Pepper made Feb 16 at 2016 1:43 PM

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An analogy if you will...The Marines are the linebackers of the United States military. They have a very specialized mission, take out the guy with the ball. That is a very glorious role which requires us to truly believe in what we are doing. You cannot be a good linebacker if you do not have discipline. Look at the careers of the truly great ones. Very few penalties.
Now, you will never win a Superbowl based on the play of just your linebackers. Those of us who have been around long enough to have shaken off the urge to foster resentment between services realize that we each have our play assignments. One team. One fight.
Now SPC, if you think the Marines carry themselves more professionally, model yourself in that image. It will have a positive influence on most of those around you.

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Feb 16 at 2016 1:55 PM

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That's a slippery slope question lil

Response by PO3 David Fries made Feb 16 at 2016 2:18 PM

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There was a saying I heard once; to be the best, you have to believe you're the best. To have the traditions, pride, and honor is one thing. To believe in them and carry them is another.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 3:17 PM

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Ok there Marine for one we have very high standards in the Army like the Corp but you got to ask yourself this one question ok? Why in the hell has there always been a Army 4 star Gen in charge of wars and never a Marine Gen? Why? because we got it going on and we know what the hell we doing and what to expect, for you guys are only the few like 3 or 4 but proud!!!

Response by SPC Rudy Hawkins made Feb 16 at 2016 3:36 PM

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Your answer is...How can you know where you're going, if you don't know where you've been !!!! In my opinion, the Marines Corps is built on customs and traditions that are taught from day one in the Corps. Learning and respecting them builds a self-pride in those earning the title of Marine. Everyone in boot camp has a common bond of being Marines first, and that goal erases the boundries of race, where you come from, being rich or poor, you become one, with one mission...of becoming Marine !!! I served in the Army, after being a Marine first...i saw the difference everyday i was in the Army !!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 6:20 PM

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I was a drill sergeant from 04 to 06. Since I have left the trail the training and leadership have gone in the crapper. My stepson is now a drill sergeant on the hill. They have told the drill sergeants that they are not to yell or raise their voice even so soldiers can hear them. This weak ass crap is bringing down the might of the army and the weak ass leaders allowing it to happen as part of the problem.

Response by SGT Lou Meza made Feb 16 at 2016 7:39 PM

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Don't believe everything you believe ! Give me an Airborne unit over a Marine unit anytime ! Be it a squad , platoon , company , battalion , brigade or division ! Anytime !

Response by Sgt Nick Marshall made Feb 16 at 2016 8:36 PM

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Simply put, higher standards.

Response by Sgt Truman Cunnish made Feb 17 at 2016 4:12 AM

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Thank you very much for those kind words but know this, it takes every one doing his or her part.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2016 6:28 AM

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Just wanted to make sure everyone knows that in no way shape or form am I ashamed to be in the US Army. My cover sits on the dashboard in my car because I have a lot of pride.

Response by SSG Martin Reyna made Feb 17 at 2016 8:07 AM

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They are perceived as having a higher level of professionalism. But like any branch they have there knuckle heads. Take the 19D's we are a proud group within they US Army. We carry a great tradition. We earn our spurs and Stetson, NCO's and Officer are allow a saber in uniform.....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2016 4:42 PM

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I'm from Camp Lejune, NC, prior Air Force, currently active duty Army. Army leadership seems to care more about their equipment, vehicles, mission (training, not real world), figuring out how to support Garrison (details, taskings etc)...and the soldiers seem to come last. The Marine Corps and Air Force hold their personnel in high regard (before anything else). I've personally seen soldiers get deprived of basic things like eating a proper meal or getting enough sleep prior to a mission (driving). I think these things happen because there's a huge disconnect between senior leaders and...the majority. An Army soldier can consistently exceed the standard while doing the work of 3 men and receive absolutely nothing in return. These outstanding soldiers tend to ETS and we are left with below average joe who only requires "3 hots & a cot". I don't think senior leaderships even realizes that many soldiers are making more money (with less stress) unemployed vs active duty (severance, disability, unemployment, GI bill, FAFSA etc... it's not right. For some, remaining active duty actually causes their family a financial hardships. We must be able to speak openly and honestly (with professionalism & respect) from the top all the way to the bottom before things can improve. Also, that communication must be two ways, from the bottom back up to the top... this isn't happening. You must ask yourself if you would want your own child to be a soldier in today's Army?

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Feb 17 at 2016 5:56 PM

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SPC Private RallyPoint Member As you see from a lot of the responses The Difference between the Marine Corps and Army Professionalism is different to everyone. The main thing I think that contributes to our Brotherhood and Professionalism is that no matter what M.O.S you may end up being, Your Job Matters, it is in direct support of another Marine. Everything in the Marine Corps is in support of The Grunt and what you do could either Save his life or cost him his life. That's how important it is to all Marines do their jobs and do it right. When I was active my M.O.S. was a Motor Transport Operator a P.O.G. (Person Other then Grunt) in 3rd Battalion 5th Marines, a Grunt Unit so I knew even more so that my job as a drive had a direct effect on the grunts, they depended on me to bring them food out in the field, Ammunition/Explosives or what ever else they needed for resupply and they depended on me to pick them up and or Drop them off where they needed and To make sure no one was missing during a pick up ect...... If I didn't do my job right, like not show up on time. It could cost someone or all of them their lives. So you had to take your job in the Green Machine Serious and be professional because you are not an individual you are a Family and if That means I would have to leave behind my truck and fill a hole in a line company as a replacement (there is always that chance) I would grab my Rifle and do what I was trained to do 1st be a Riflemen. Last but not lest is our heritage, We have to live up to the same standards of those that came before us. we can't let them down.

Response by SFC Derrick Graves made Feb 17 at 2016 7:46 PM

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I retired from the Army in 2000 and based on my observations looking from the outside in, a part of the author's problem appears to be morale which is established and maintained by the leadership. Since my retirement I've read articles where a small percentage of senior leaders have been involved in conduct/toxic leadership that has created an environment within the Army where younger soldier's like this specialist have seen it in the media and become disillusioned about their role in the Army. Couple this with the Army's insatiable need to constantly change it's identity is another reason the Marine Corps excels in this category. I remember when I came in the Army in 1980 the slogan was "Be All You Can Be" which was the most recognizable brand in the world second to McDonalds and lasted throughout my entire 20 years until the senior leadership in 2000 elected to change the brand, and has changed it several times over the last 16 years. I would encourage the soldier to instead of comparing the Army to the Marine Corps, look at and reevaluate what he's accomplished in America's oldest military organization and ask himself what can he do to enhance our professionalism that he perceives is a problem in the United States Army.

Response by SPC Phillip Smith made Feb 18 at 2016 7:07 AM

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Ill be sure to remind you of all that bulls*** when the bullets start flying over your head

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 1:03 PM

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The marines are just a bunch of jar heads so hooraa that.

Response by GySgt David Andrews made Feb 18 at 2016 1:21 PM

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I think you answered it somewhat yourself. The not only instill Marine traditions pride and honor. They live it where the Army learns it but doesn't live it. You have to believe it, honor it and live it.

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2016 2:16 PM

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Little sister that could kick your ass.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Feb 18 at 2016 8:51 PM

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I've been preaching this ever since 2005, after being deployed with USMC for a year in Iraq. So far, I've heard nothing but lip service.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 19 at 2016 10:18 AM

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Are you even qualified to make such a judgment on a 182,000 Marine Corps and 450,000 + Army? What is your experience leading to this statement?

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Feb 19 at 2016 11:00 AM

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SPC Private RallyPoint Member , then start! Take that pride, honor and love you have for the U.S. Army, put it on your sleeve and wear it! If you think things are lacking, then push them forward, make a difference. Just remember, change can start from a single seed.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2016 2:33 PM

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In the book 'Making the Corps' By Thomas E. Ricks the author notes while visiting Ft Benning and Parris Island that “the military training at Benning is good, ofter far more realistic than Parris Island’s.” In the end however the Army trains Soldiers very well in fighting and other skills but the Marines train recruits to become Marines.

Response by SGT Scott Janko made Feb 19 at 2016 4:39 PM

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The US Army has traditions and for pride and honor that's up to the individual my unit in Germany and in the states were close knit it's up to you motivate underlings and show your professionalism at all time's.

Response by Capt Michael Halpin made Feb 19 at 2016 5:23 PM

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One difference I've noticed between the Marines and Army is that soldiers tend to identify themselves by their unit or mos (82d, 101st, Green Beret, etc). Marines, from private to the Commandant, identify themselves simply as a Marine.

Response by CPT Melanie Ryan made Feb 19 at 2016 9:36 PM

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I was S-3 in a Forward Support Battalion at Fort Riley. We always had a group of soldiers, say 25 or so, whom IF they qualified with their weapon, it was probably by accident. I swear, some of these people couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat. Sure, an FSB in the 1st ID isn't the 75th Rangers, but every soldier needs to be able to shoot.

Like the OP here, I find much to appreciate about, and respect, our brothers and sisters in the Corps. So, I put all the moving parts together for a Known Distance Range. I might have joined the Marines except the ROTC contract I had was Army, and I was disqualified as my parents were married...

Anyway, I worked with the CSM to ensure that he and the other leading NCOs in the Battalion were on board. Everything was set, I just had to get the 1st BDE commander, a COL named, let's say, "Robinson" to sign off. During my briefing to him, I made the tactical mistake of referencing the USMC's reverence for marksmanship. As we all know, Rule One in the Marines is expertise with firearms. They instruct gunnery with KD Ranges.

Unknown to me, COL Robinson has heartache about the Corps. He flat out rejected my plan because we "didn't have the funds."

Didn't have the funds for a KD Range? We already paid for the land, the weapons and the soldiers. Needed maybe 2 or 3 thousands dollars worth of 5.56. The budget for an FSB can eat that, piece of cake.

A few months later, came the end of the fiscal year "use it or lose it" funds blast. Did COL Robinson authorize the funds for a couple of cases of ammo? Hell no. Why waste money making sure that soldiers can do their basic job and employ their weapons effectively?

But...COL Robnson did use end-of-year funds to buy really cushy leather seats for command Humvees from the Hummer dealer in Kansas City....

I commented, where this paragon of leadership could hear me, "This is great. We can't fight but we can surrender in comfort."

Inasmuch as I pretty much volunteered to be RIF'd then (didn't realize it at the time) then, both the BN and BDE CSMs had a great laugh, and for the rest of my time with the 101st FSB, I could get stuff DONE with the only people in the Chain who mattered- the NCOs.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 5:55 AM

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A few years ago, I was talking to an Army 1stSgt the originally enlisted in the Corps. His take on the difference in the two branches was, the big Army knows what the minimum standard is to pass. For example ... you only need 50 push up to pass the PFT. In the Marine Corps very few Marines can tell you what the minimum is to pass but all of them can tell you what you need for a perfect score. So in most Marines minds the minimum standard doesn't exist but the perfect score is what you strive for.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Feb 23 at 2016 8:47 AM

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Oye... I have read thru the question, and all the comments before making up my mind to comment on this.
The professionalism you comment on, starts quick. They never mention it, its never talked about at first, but besides instilling pride, self-reliance, and drive into you, the Corps adds one little thing to the mix. Put three Marines together, and the first thing they do, is compare date of rank. The reason for this is because, from day one, we are nudged, pushed and mentally focused on the fact that "SOMEONE HAS TO BE IN CHARGE."
Higher rank is always in charge, but the same rank... well, when did you get that rank? Two days before me? OK, you're it... now what do we do?
We know that at some point, every one of us, is going to 'be in charge' of something, and we're pushed to learn how to take charge. Those little lessons start from day one, and they are so ingrained into the USMC training that we don't really notice them at all. We're too busy learning to hit targets at three hundred yards, and running three miles in formation.
We take classes in between, not to LEARN how to be Marine, but to learn how others did it. We focus on things like the Blood Stripe... the Mamluke Sword... the people who came before us. And then..., after all that, they shove us out into the world, in a brand new uniform.
All our history, all our traditions are SHARED. They belong to no Unit... they are MARINES... Iwo Jima. Grenada, Desert Storm... it doesn't matter what unit they were with... they were Marines, they were OURS... Every Marine feels a bond with the next Marine, because we are brothers and sisters, who may not like the crazy relatives, who may gag when they walk in, but by GOD, we respect them, and we'll leap into the fight to protect them, just because they are Marines.
Its not some strange view of the world that sets us apart, its our sense of BELONGING, and FAMILY... its no big secret, its just training, mixed with history... and taught by people who live it every day.

Response by Cpl Cary Cartter made Feb 23 at 2016 8:55 AM

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(*sister branch*? i prefer to call us the Big Brothers ...)

All kidding aside, the Marines foster that sense of history, camaraderie and Espirit de Corp from the moment we sign the first piece of paper. There are currently two places to train to become a Marine, as opposed to how many boot camps for the other services? The level of strictness is there to reinforce that we are the Best of the Best. Yes, our ego is fed - and we are a tight knit group, even across generations.

Professionalism is reflected by each individual member of the service. While Marines are not allowed to appear in the general public in boots and utes, it is not uncommon to see members of other services dressed in this manner. (as an aside, I recently attended a Welcome Home ceremony for a Senior Airman - very high profile affair, with a congress critter in attendance, the city council chambers decorated for the event, etc. - and the SrA showed up in boots and utes) When Marines are on leave, we are still considered "Poster Children" of our service - and we are told to carry ourselves in that manner. Going to wear a uniform off base? Marines will make sure it is inspection ready.

Another aspect is numbers. I graduated high school in a class of 76 people - and I can still name about 75% of them from memory 35 years later - but if you ask someone who graduated from a school that had 400 seniors, could they say the same thing? There is a reason we are The Few, The Proud.

Please note that I have the utmost of respect for all members of the service - I don't care when you served or what you did - you signed a contract turning over your life to be used by this country in the way that would best serve the mission.

Response by Sgt John Henry made Feb 23 at 2016 9:28 AM

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The USMC has always had a unique culture which is hard to describe easily in words. However, one factor to consider is the degree to which a smaller corps allows more focus. I'll provide an analogy.

I work right now in the healthcare industry. Smaller health plans like mine have a major advantage over larger ones when it comes to quality ratings. These quality ratings have a considerable impact on the profitability and success of each health plan. The larger you get in a corps of individuals, the harder it is to keep the camaraderie and unique culture.

The other services are larger and by default it's much more challenging to keep a shared culture and identity.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Feb 23 at 2016 11:00 AM

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Sister Branch? I believe that points out a huge part of your problem in understanding the differences, the military in general are usually perceived as male. Now, on to your actual question: The reason the Army isn't as tight as the Marines is simple, You earn the title of Marine through hard work and discipline while being a soldier is earned through signing a contract. Marine recruits also sign a similar contract, BUT you are NOT a Marine until you earn that right to call yourself one.

Response by LCpl Robert Alvarez made Feb 23 at 2016 11:09 AM

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We begin by having a tougher boot camp that is specifically designed to weed out the weak , our boot camp is longer and full and rich with Marine Corps history . I would also say that Marine DI's are far more professional and demanding their Army counterparts . Having been a Marine and working in the Army for many years , I can clearly see that one of the key differences once out of boot , is the Marine's tradition and unbending rules of respect for leadership and following orders . Marines are less likely to use USMJ on minor infractions and are more likely to self discipline each other in the Marine tradition ( privately ) . One screws up and all pay , not long before your fellow Marines begin to square you away . We do have non hackers , but they leave the Corps pretty quickly , no one wants a sub par Marine serving with them . The Army is much larger and has to fill far more positions , so it has to be more flexible and that has led to a somewhat lower standard . Both do great things , but I thank God everyday that I walked in to the right recruiting office . Semper Fi is not just a slogan , it is the code we Marines live by .

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 12:11 PM

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I believe that the Army, being the bigger organization, faster takes the que from society. As society has become meak, weak and lethargic - this behavior seeps into the military, and unfortunately the military caters to it. It is sad, and it will bite us in the ass.

Response by Cpl J Vince made Feb 23 at 2016 12:15 PM

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Marines are taught from the time they get off that bus that you will have the mindset the marine corps wants you to have and if not you become a statistic.. But I have family in the army as well the army's issue is they waive anything literally anything.. So you get idiots in there who do not give two shits about traditions or values for that matter.. PLUS ALL MARINE ARE FKIN AWESOME.. Lol

Response by Cpl Daniel Lee made Feb 23 at 2016 12:29 PM

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Honestly, everyone (except some of those who are making smartass comments) has a point to a certain degree... there are a few of us who did serve in both branches (myself: Marine Corps then Army) who seen and experienced the differences first hand. In my honest opinion, ask those of us who did serve in both branches and seek advice accordingly. But, just be aware of the fact that you will be met with plenty of resistance from individuals in your unit, but dont ever give up. Like what some of the others said, when others see you and how you conduct yourself, they will eventually follow your lead.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 12:39 PM

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The marine corps is a much smaller branch. Making it easier to hold them to a higher standard. Due to it being so small, many times we have to learn multiple jobs and take on multiple responsibilities whereas the army can get away with having people in a specific mos and not require as many people to fill in multiple shoes or learn so many different skills. Because of this, we need to be held to a higher standard because if we don't push everyone to, it'll all fall apart due to the lack of personnel. Also, with the marine corps being so small, we like to think we are an elite branch, which we are, so we train and push ourselves to be able to live up to being an elite branch. If we didn't do so, being a marine would essentially mean nothing and there'd be absolutely no reason to have the marine corps. Thats why we push so heavily on traditions, customs and courtesies, and holding each other accountable.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Feb 23 at 2016 12:46 PM

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Define professionalism.

Response by SFC Randall Atchison made Feb 23 at 2016 1:20 PM

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How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces!

If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do:

The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors.

The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks and concertina wire.

The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter.

The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building.

Response by Sgt Tony Radle made Feb 23 at 2016 1:29 PM

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Doctrine, pure and simple. We indoctrinate our recruits properly. We tear them down and then build them up thoroughly to be proud of their accomplishments, and to actually wear the title Marine, and not merely have a job. Being a Marine is a lifestyle, not an occupation. The pride of our mission and the high standards that we hold each other to is what makes us stand out. Marines do not tolerate weakness among our ranks, and build each other up to be the most effective fighting force we can. Every MOS in the Corps knows that their role is important to accomplish our overall task, which is in short, delivering ordnance down range. We know we are a FIGHTING force and hold killing the enemy as our collective end state. No matter what the MOS you hold is. I'll step down from my stump now. Carry out the plan of the day.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 1:52 PM

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Whoah! That's almost heresy in the Army ain't it? I will say if there was one tradition I could borrow from the Army, it would be the Cav Ride.

Response by 1stSgt Brian Akers made Feb 23 at 2016 1:53 PM

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First I will say as a former Marine we do hold ourselves to a higher standard than other branches of the military. But on that same note there are great soldiers who do the same but they do not have the support as Marines do. If a SNCO gets in a troops ass and calls his platoon Sgt, the troop gets his ass chewed again for acting up in public. The plt Sgt doesn't see this as someone trying to control his troop but a fellow leader correcting a problem. I also seen several good Army soldiers in some commands and seen bad Marines in other commands. It all about policing your own, and holding every one to the same standard top to bottom.
S/F

Response by SSG Don Maggart made Feb 23 at 2016 1:57 PM

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Why did the Much Vaunted Us Marine Corps lose ground in Ods...??? MilitantCrip

Response by SSG Don Maggart made Feb 23 at 2016 1:58 PM

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Why did the Much vaunted US Morine corps lose ground during ODS ... MilitantCrip??? Protecting our port and southern route of resupply and highway 85??? the backbone of our logistic bases???

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Feb 23 at 2016 2:15 PM

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Don't sale our Army short. it's the greatest Army in the world, being I am a Marine and feel the Marine Corps is much smaller, the time is taken to instill the traditions . like a class room of kids you can teach that one class room the closeness , camaraderie, and tradition and remove the ones that don't follow it. unlike a full school of kids. would be almost impossible to teach them the same, it would take much more time. The Army operates on a much larger scale than the Marine Corps and Marines are all taught that you are one 0311 basic rifleman, regardless what you do later on. so from the start the camaraderie is there. it's like taking a hand full of clay and form it into a perfect ball and then taking an arm full of clay and try to form it into the same ball , can not be done.
Our Army is the best our Marine Corps is the best no reason to try to make a competition out of it. I have seen some really sharp soldiers. if you are in the Army , do your part to be the best , you will have nothing to be ashamed of.

Response by Sgt Eugene Keyser made Feb 23 at 2016 2:58 PM

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The Corps is stricter and carries a higher level of professionalism because we are a smaller force, so more is demanded. We work with gear, at least when I was active, that was second and sometimes third hand (vehicle wise). We learn to do the tasks with a smaller group of people that the Army sends 2-4 times as many at. In my opinion, after Vietnam the Army became nothing more than a place for individuals to disappear to. They became cannon fodder. Right now the cap on enlistment into the Marines is around 205k and the Army is about 2.4 million. That says alot about what the higher brass (Pentagon) thinks when it comes to the effectiveness of the branches. The Army has become lax in all areas due to the large volume of personnel. When you first had to be selected from your units to go through Ranger training, that was elite because you were considered the best of the best in your unit, now they are taking them for Ranger training right out of boot. No experience in their jobs or in the infantry. To me that doesnt make the Rangers an elite force any longer. My father was in the Army in Vietnam. It was there that he became a Ranger, and this was after already spending 3 years in an infantry unit in Germany. In the Marines, to become a Recon member, you have to be selected to attend the school only after being in your unit and performing above and beyond others. Even then you may wash out and be sent back. I know a kid who went into the Army and became a Ranger after 4 attempts back to back....almost like they were giving him do overs in a game....The point is we in the Corps strive for perfection in what we do and how we do it. Whether each individual accomplishes that goal is up to them, but as a team is what is truly important. Thats why the mottos of each are how they are...An Army of One versus The Few. The Proud...The Marines...Also we become Marines, we can say we are Marines...the Army cannot. The person cannot become a Army or say they are a Army....Army becomes Soldiers which a Marine will never be or stand to be called, and thats because of the level of professionalism we strive for.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 3:56 PM

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This goes into the way they run their IET. Marine recruits are INDOCTRINATED into the MC way of life. Army BCT trainees are INTEGRATED into ours. We don't stress the honor, respect and pride nearly as much as the Marine Corps does. This isn't necessarily due to the TSP, but more-so an issue with time. Marine recruits spend 13 weeks in training prior to earning their EGA, and they have to EARN the title of Marine. BCT trainees are called soldier from day one, and they only train on the basics for 9 weeks. There are also more training tasks in BCT than in MCRD. We train for tasks, and they train for the way of life.

Response by Sgt Eric Laliberty (Liberty) made Feb 23 at 2016 4:41 PM

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Not to be...that Marine! But, that is why, We are THE FEW, THE PROUD, THE MARINES....
Joint the Marines, you'll have to do are boot camp....only with the Marine boot camp can you move to other services without repeating others boot camp. Some of the other guys had some greattach tips and understand our traditions. I've had friends in all branches....But, like General Mathis said while I was in Iraq...."No better friend, no worse enemy" and my LtCol. B.P. McCoy...."when we go...let the body's hit the floor"....them are some of the motivational speeches and moto's that we tend to hang on to. Good luck Soldier, Semper Fi!

Response by Sgt Danny Cannan made Feb 23 at 2016 4:46 PM

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i went into the Marines in 1972 and it was so strict from the time we got there.we were not treated with any respect at all,we were not even human beings.we had to ask permission to speak and FEAR was immediately instilled into our brain housing group,You couldnt even piss or shit without beint told to.we had NO FAMILY,WIVES

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Feb 23 at 2016 4:49 PM

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SPC Blohm...did you know that we had officers in the Marine Corps who graduated from West Point?? One of the finest officers I worked for was a graduate of West Point Class of 1960 and we asked him why he choose the Marines after graduating as a West Point cadet ??? His answer was it was a promise he made to his Dad who was a Marine Col.

Response by Sgt William Coffee made Feb 23 at 2016 4:53 PM

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It is the whole "one for all, all for one" mentality. We are held to a higher standard from day one. And dress blues kill it with the ladies, if you know what I mean.

Response by LCpl John Jones made Feb 23 at 2016 6:03 PM

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It's all about representation. The army also defends America, but the corps defends America and represents American values. We were the first branch formed.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 6:26 PM

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It simple, the Marine carry the professionalism and we police our own. no Marine can get away with a sloppy uniform, unbuttoned blouse (jackets) unshine shoes in public or not wearing a cover or cocking the cover on the back of the head. You either wear the uniform right or don't wear it ...period. Every Marine has pride, history and tradition. It's a formal subject in boot camp. You becoe responsible for observing the traditions of the Corps. Our uniform is part of the tradition just like the Navy sailor "crackerjack" uniform was. The 13 button , bell bottoms are gone along with any tradition. Air Force isn't old enough to have instilled any traditions. The Army did away with every uniform tradition and only certain units maintain a history not the whole Army. Now Everyone wears a beret!!! The WHOLE Marine Corps carries the same pride, history and tradition and we represent all who have come before us, everyday.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2016 6:39 PM

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Our Commandant would answer proudly if you addressed him as "Marine" What woud happen if you called any 4 or 5 star General in other services , "Sailor" or Airman" or "Soldier"

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Feb 23 at 2016 7:48 PM

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This tale starts at the recruiting office where the other services provide jobs and the Marines provide you an opportunity to become a Marine if you can meet the challenge. Then traditions are instilled to you at three months of more challenges than you ever imagined and drive home if you want to be a Marine you need to keep moving forward. I am not sure but after 20 years of service can my fellow service mates still remember there drill instructors names most Marines can. After boot camp our traditions continue at our first unit. All services are unique and have a great purpose however, not all can be a Marine!

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made Feb 23 at 2016 8:19 PM

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I was in the Corps for 6 years and the Army for 6 years. It's true to a point. The Marines are a very small unit. Chances of you running across a buddy in the Corp, 3 years after boot and AIT are much greater than in the Army. Now, in tighter smaller units; Rangers Special Forces, you have the same mentality. Small unit, everyone knows everyone, easy to police your buddies from bad behavior. Larger units have a difficulty in policing the bad apples. Also, earning the Title of Marine, or Green Beret, or Ranger is tougher than just going thru Army Basic training. So you have people that are more responsible, mature.

Response by SGT Leon Riege made Feb 23 at 2016 9:18 PM

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well you make a very keen observation on several points but my understanding of the department of the navy isnt very good, i know they are a special element of the navy but thats it . im sure if you are determined you could make the move

Response by PO2 Thomas Sturgeon made Feb 23 at 2016 9:52 PM

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The Marines are elite shock troops. Every Marine, no matter their actual job is a qualified rifleman and combat trained. All Marines are expected to continously upgrade hand-to-hand skills. While the Army has elite elements, it is not designed to engage, as a whole, in the amphibious shock role. The Army is a heavy mass.

Response by Sgt Robert Mattson made Feb 24 at 2016 11:18 AM

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I joined the Marine Corps in January of 1969. I was on the verge of being drafted into the Army and wanted no part of that. I knew that boot camp was tough but I had no idea what I was in for. Boot camp is the key to the Corps. The fitness is a major part of the training, but the mental attitude portion is the most important part. The Drill Instructers work to break you down and mold you into an individual that will always follow direction and will always protect that man right next to you with your life. This training will always be with you for thr rest of your life. Marines are truly one of a kind in mind and spirit. As I said, this all starts in recruit training. I had the privilege of training recruits at Parris Island from 1971 to 1974. It was the most gratifying duty that I could ever have done.

Response by Sgt Mike Clark made Feb 24 at 2016 12:19 PM

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I can not really say why the Army does not follow it's own traditions, they are a bit longer than those of the Corps. However, I have never seen any other service (perhaps the special forces units are an exception) that bonds as well over tradition and carries it throughout their lives.

I went to Parris Island in 1981, and went to visit grandparents in Ohio the month before I left. I learned for the first time that my grandfather had been a Marine during WW II, and he told stories of boot camp. He ended every story with "that was 40 years ago, I'm sure everything has changed". He reported to PI on December 3, 1941. Within 4 days he knew they were going to war and spent his enlistment in the Pacific.

However, when he came to my graduation in NOV 1981, there were still landmarks and building from when he was there 40 years prior. Same as when he visited me at Camp LeJuene a few years later. Esprit de Corps, integrity, honor, courage...those are the goals to embody as a Marine, not just words. There are always a few, that never get the lesson. Always a 10% mucking it up for everyone else. When you leave the Corps you stay a Marine.

Not to pick a political fight, but the fight still goes on...even in the midst of opening up combat MOS's to women to not have a coed boot camp. The Corps is the only service to still train men and women separately. I feel that they need to continue that tradition if the level of training in boot is to remain unchanged. Same thing with the combat fields, the level of training to qualify as an infantryman, mortar, machine gunner, artillery, tanker, recon...the standard needs to stay the same, if you cannot meet it you cannot become whatever it is. The lives of Marines depend on the training and commitment of the others of their unit, no one can afford to have someone be less than the set standard that has worked for generations upon generations.

Not gonna change slogans from First to Fight, to We'll Fight When We Get There. Or, Esprit de Corps to Esprit no more.

President Ronald Reagan once was quoted as saying " "some people spent an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem."

Elanor Roosevelt famously said "Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the Unites States Marine Corps."

Without the level of dedication and professionalism to their given vocation as Marines, no one would have any reason to develop such quotes. The young men and women Marines of today stand just as ready and able to answer the call to arms, or assist in a moment of national or international disaster as any generation before them. Though the smallest in size, I consider them to be giants in the profession of arms.

Today as a Lifetime Disabled Veteran I am a volunteer driver to and from local hospital and clinics. The inter-service rivalry subsides some the longer you have been away from Active duty. The VETERAN bond takes the place of the service bonds, but still I have found Once a Marine ALWAYS a Marine.

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Feb 24 at 2016 12:24 PM

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In my humble opinion I think that one of the reasons the Marine Corps is more strict and carry a higher level of professionalism has to do with the fact that with the Marine Corps you cannot tell the difference between someone in supply or a combat veteran other than looking at individual ribbons and medals. When an officer is in their formal dress or their Class A's you can say Oh, he's in Artillery, or he is Infantry, or he/she is in Logistics or Special Forces. We don't carry that distinction. We are all Marines regardless of your primary MOS. We are all riflemen/rifleperson or whatever the PC word of the day is. So, if you see a solder whose uniform is not as squared away you have a tendency to say, oh, he/she is in supply and not Armor like me (As an example). In the Marine Corps you will get squared away by an NCO/SNCO/ or Officer regardless of your MOS, because we are all Marines.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2016 1:54 PM

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I would recommend enlisting with the USMC as soon as you are able so that you can learn for yourself.

Response by LCpl Arrick Moore made Feb 24 at 2016 3:03 PM

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Number 1... The United States Marine Corps is nobody's sister branch... Part of the department of the navy, yes... The MENs Department... I thank you for commending the USMC on all the other items... please refrain from calling us your "sister" branch though.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Feb 24 at 2016 3:50 PM

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I did four years in the Corps, it was an experience and definitely some of the best Units with C Co 1st Bn 4th Mar, 13th and 11 MEU SOC during 90-91. I also served with A Co 2-187th IN. Rakkasan Raiders,and I also had some of the best PSG and PLs and the unit upheld higher standards no complaints as some are making. It could be non infantry units that lack discipline.

Response by SPC Robert Culbertson made Feb 24 at 2016 4:18 PM

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I realize the fan fare that Marines get is warranted but I served in the U.S. Army and when I hear of an Army private being killed in Afghanistan I really don't care about what unit or branch, he or she gave their life for this country and far more for their brother or sister in arms. Respect and gratitude to all who have served and are currently serving.

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Feb 24 at 2016 9:20 PM

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Negative! Different not more professional. That's only your perception but the truth is that the Army is much bigger and has different needs. The best way to be proud of your branch is to concentrate in it and not look at other branches.

Response by Cpl Robert Clark made Feb 25 at 2016 8:27 AM

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"sister" branch? w.t.f.....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2016 10:00 AM

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While I love the Marine Corps and the Army, the answer is simple. As a former Marine I believe all Marines regardless of age, color or gender are my brothers and sisters for life!

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2016 12:21 PM

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Standard and holding each other accountable.

Response by SGT Peter Gallagher made Feb 26 at 2016 10:57 PM

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In a nut shell, its a much smaller branch and thus it is easier for them to maintain a quality control program.

Response by Sgt Ronnie Mack made Mar 1 at 2016 7:14 PM

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It's simple, it was designed to be the strictest. Not to take away from the other branches of services or my brothers and sisters in arms.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Mar 11 at 2016 12:59 PM

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Be, Know, Do. The Army and it's professionalism starts with you. You are a early leader and can influence other and beyond what you might think you can influence your leaders as well. I always was professional. I always enforced standards. I always practiced those standards as I expected subordinates and seniors to practice. If they did not I just tried to be the example and correct where I could. I always said especially near the "draw down" that I always enforced standards when people would say "we need to start enforcing standards" that is such a stupid comment. You can talk about stuff all day but doing it will achieve more.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2016 1:07 PM

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Because it's a smaller branch and easier to manage. Couple that with aggressive learning of history, customs and tradition, and a whole lot of motivation, the end result is what you see. I believe the same can be said for the Army, but at a unit level - Regiment or Division (I can't say specifically as I'm not part of it). Bottom line, be motivated and motivate those around you - nothing wrong being a Soldier! Unfortunately, the PC Police is watering everything down, and taking it to the crapper - it's affecting the Corps as well to a certain degree. This is the part where I would say something creatively insulting, but I'll leave that for another "humorous" thread - not towards the Army specifically, but in general.... let's just put it this way - there are many people in service that should have never step foot inside a MEPS, let alone be qualified.. :)

Response by GySgt Ken Norwood made Mar 20 at 2016 11:22 PM

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http://battlerattle.marinecorpstimes.com/2012/01/31/three-star-army-should-be-more-like-marines/

Army 3-star general: Army should be more like Marines

The head of the Army Reserve said Tuesday that the Army should be more like the Marine Corps — at least in the way the Marine Corps cultivates a strong life-long brotherhood. Although Marines…

Response by SPC(P) Alexandra Hinds made Mar 21 at 2016 8:12 PM

2016-03-21T20:12:01-04:00

The Marine Corps has always stood on traditions, pride, honor and maintaining their uniforms to the highest standards. Being as though I am married to a Marine, he has told me countless times that while he does not miss the Military, rather the sense of Pride in the Marine Uniform and the close-connection family they are.
As SPC Conrad Blohm stated, I am not attempting to belittle the Army or raise the Marines on a higher pedestal. However, the Marine Uniform is much more crisp and alluring to the eye. They move as one being as though they go through the most rigorous training of all the branches Basic Training courses. They maintain (most) the highest level of discipline and yet, have the same amount of respect for their sister branches as we do them. Yes, the Marine Corp has been classified as a more 'arrogant' group, but you will receive a cluster of them in every branch. We all believe we are better than the other and make snide comments, but if it came down to it again, we would fight and die for our sister branches and our Military family. Being as though I have a friend I have known since Pre-K who enlisted as a Marine and has served two tours, I know that at least some of the Marines, like him, feel the same way we do when it comes to their sister branches.
Again, and I know I am not the only believer in this case. The Marines have a cleaner, better kept and maintained Uniform than we do. For one, every Marine (for the most part) maintains the same level of personal hygiene and well kept/clean faces and trims. If you look to your left and your right while you are standing in formation like I have, you will realize just how unorganized the Army standards are when it comes to both uniform regulations, personal hygiene, well kept/clean faces and trims. There are jacked up combat boots, males with untrimmed faces, females with two-toned (unnatural obviously) colored hair, makeup plastered on and just a lack of care and sadly, that is not all. Now, I am not claiming the Army is the only branch to have individuals like these. I have seen Marines, Navy and Air Force personnel uniforms and regulations 'jacked' up so badly, myself, as an E-4 and only having almost 5 years experience would find great pleasure in reaming their necks.
Any who, I love the United States Army and if it came down to it, I would die for this Country and the people.
When push comes to shove, the United States Marine Corps has the best rules and regulations that the squared away Marines follow it strictly. I wish we would follow the Marine Corps lead and alter our Uniforms drastically.

Response by SPC James Dollins made Apr 1 at 2016 7:39 PM

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Amen! It's nowhere near where it used to be in the "Old days". There are soldiers from WWII, Korea, Veitnam, that still kept in contact all these years after. While there is some commradery, it's not as big of a deal now that it used to be. The pride and the honor I think starts at the beginning, Basic & AIT. I think the Army, is getting easier, softer, if you will. In turn the soldiers coming up the ranks today are going to be turning out the same type of troops they are. Even went I went through in 02, they couldn't get physical, but I'll be damned if it didn't feel like they were on the edge of killing us! Ha Ha!

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Apr 4 at 2016 2:38 PM

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Their reason for being requires it.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Apr 21 at 2016 2:25 PM

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"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 10:16 AM

2016-05-06T10:16:42-04:00

at attitude is sll thru the Corps and it attracts a way different bunch than "the army of one" that will promise you the world as long as you please come join them

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 3:44 PM

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we also don't have "non deployable" Marines. If you can't fight you are shown the door. Also, we do what it takes to win even if that means massive casualties

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2016 3:57 PM

2016-05-06T15:57:04-04:00

Development, the Army is just now requiring you go through leadership courses to be promoted. You also cannot be a PT failure. It was always like this in the Marines

Response by Sgt William Coffee made Jun 16 at 2016 3:35 PM

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You are aware that the Marine Corps is a department of the Navy..... The men's department. Bada Bing.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Jun 23 at 2016 12:52 PM

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The Marine Corps is strict because without education and training, people die in combat. The Marine Corps carries a higher level of professionalism because we are not given our titles by signing a contract, we earn the right to be called a Marine, and it cannot be taken away, (even shitbirds like Lee Harvey Oswald and Charles Joseph Whitman, are still Marines). Earned, never given!

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Jun 30 at 2016 2:32 PM

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Because 240 years ago that's how the Marine Corps set the rules for itself. and the few and the proud seen to it that those rules kept that tradition of professionalism, 240 years from now we will still be the same, because the Marines of today and tomorrow will still follow those rules of pride and professionalism. It's been 60 years since I earned the privilege to be called a Marine, I hold that pride today as much as I did the day I became a Marine.

Response by Nathan Weiss made Jun 30 at 2016 2:52 PM

2016-06-30T14:52:50-04:00

Tradition and They are the best.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Jul 7 at 2016 2:01 PM

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The Marine Corps is a group of highly trained personnel who have all met a set of prescribed standards to be called "Marine"... every other US Military branch affords their title, (Soldier, Sailor & Airman), to their members for signing the contract; The Marine Corps does not. You are not a Marine until you earn the right to be called a Marine, and because of this we hold ourselves, our traditions and our customs to a higher standard and we do not lower that standard even after our active duty has ended. Being a Marine is a lifetime commitment.

I know many fine, honorable people in all other branches of service, and none of them carried their service forward into civilian life the way a Marine does. It's just who we are. Semper Fi!

Response by Cpl David Cruz made Jul 13 at 2016 12:10 AM

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I am a Marine and I will not talk ill will of the other services but the the words Tradition, Professionalism, Pride and Honor are nothing without Team Work. You have to know that the person on your right and on your left will be there for you and it's hard to understand unless you've gone through a war or hard times with guys you can trust. Our training is one of the hardest of the other services, even the the Seal Teams. The only thing we don't do is train in and around the water as much as they do. Now I'm not putting the Seals down but we train just as hard as they do.
Working and engaging an enemy with my fellow Marines during war is something I will cherish to the day I die. It was an honor to have served with such a great group of guys. Simper Fi do or Die-ooh rah ooh rah!

Response by Sgt Carlos Barrera made Sep 22 at 2016 4:59 PM

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if all branches do the same as Marines; then they would be Marines. But is very hard to earn the tittle, Marines think differently.

Response by SPC John Munoz made Sep 22 at 2016 5:18 PM

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What about those Marine haircuts, though...kind of short.

Response by MAJ David Vermillion made Sep 22 at 2016 6:14 PM

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This my opinion, I believe that the Marines deal with smaller numbers to fill vacancies and therefore can select a higher caliber recruit. I also believe there are individuals who want the tough training so they can feel proud of their accomplishments. I say this as an example for the US Army Rangers. I graduated in march 1969 from Ranger School and it was the most grueling and rewarding school that I have every attended, selection was small in number and the training was tough and therefore not many could make it. The proud come from the small challenging schools, why be a part of something that everybody can do. In summary, If the entire US Army training was like Ranger School, there wouldn't be much difference in Marine training and Army training. When I attended Ranger School, we had Marines, Seals and Foreign Military in attendance.

Response by CSM William Payne made Sep 22 at 2016 10:43 PM

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The Marines are by far the smallest of the Uniformed Armed Forces of the Unites States, not counting the Coast Guard. 180,000 or so active with around 40,000 Reservist. The Army has over 475,000 on active duty with another 540,000 in the Guard and Reserves. The Marines can afford to be very selective in it's recruiting process. They are considered the most prestigious of the military services, but by a large percentage the Army is considered the most valuable. Given that the Army bears the greatest brunt of any land conflict the turnover of the Army is also the highest of the services. Only 25% of young people between the ages of 17 - 25 qualify to join the military due to physical, mental or legal disqualifications. Out of that 25%, some are going straight on to college, some already have post high school jobs lined up and some wouldn't join the military for any reason. The competition for that 10% that is left is intensive and based on the needs of the service the Army cannot afford to be as selective as its sister services. Having said that, out of the all of the services, if pushed came to shove, the Marines are the one service who's mission could be easily absorbed by the other three services. To do the Army's mission, they would have to become the Army, the Army could easily take over their amphibious mission, remember the largest amphibious assault in history was the Invasion of Normandy, if my memory serves me right that was conducted with the Army as the main assault force. The Navy and Air Force could easily take over the Marines aviation mission. The history of the United States Army is without peer. The ONLY service with contiguous service since before the founding of our great country. Does the Army do as great as job of tooting its own horn, no they don't. But First to Fight in the Army Song means just that. Specialist, it was a standing joke that when I showed up and there were two or more Soldiers standing around, a history lesson was going to break out. Sometimes pride is where you find it. Learn the history of the Army and share it with your friends.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Sep 23 at 2016 2:45 PM

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I think the biggest thing is because we are one of the smaller branches of the military, we have to prove our value on a constant basis. The biggest arguments being... Why do we need Marines if we have an Army... Why do we need a Marine Air Wing if we have the Air Force... Why do we need Marines if they're part of the Department of the Navy. We already have a Navy.

So I think because people are always trying to find reasons to get rid of us, we hold ourselves to much higher standards than the other branches. But you are correct in your assessment of the Marine Corps. I love the traditions and pride and honor. Even after I got out, I got a job working with Marines because of how great it feels to be part of a close knit group.

There's nothing wrong with looking up to Marines. One thing to remember is that everything starts at the lowest level. You hold your junior troops to higher standards and then they develop into the leaders that hold their troops to higher standards and then they develop into the policymakers who implement change on a wider scale. I always passed the mentality that every time I corrected another Marine, I wasn't just improving that Marine, I was improving the Marine Corps as a whole.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Sep 24 at 2016 9:56 PM

2016-09-24T21:56:07-04:00

when did you wake up must been a dream because The US ARMY IS ARMY TUFF SO YOU NEED TO WAKE TO REAL BRANCH OF SERVICE. SSG MARK FRANZE US ARMY

Response by SSG Timothy McCoy made Oct 4 at 2016 7:58 AM

2016-10-04T07:58:42-04:00

Lower life forms need more ridge/regimented perimeters daily?? LOL

Response by LCpl David Pike made Oct 5 at 2016 1:34 PM

2016-10-05T13:34:51-04:00

I think a lot has to do with tradition! And keep the same Marine Corps standards. Remember my Marine Corps is small and easier to control the troops.

Response by MSgt Roger Settlemyer made Oct 24 at 2016 3:47 AM

2016-10-24T03:47:20-04:00

We have to be, There over 1.2 Million Army Troops, We are at 186,000. About 10% total force. Also I believe the Army has Elite Troops, Special Forces,Rangers,Airborne the Marines only have the Corps. No special headgear,patches,etc this makes a PFC in the grunts equal to a PFC in the Air Wing. We are all Marines.

Response by Sgt Terry Hall made Oct 25 at 2016 8:13 PM

2016-10-25T20:13:43-04:00

I don't know but I will say that I have mad respect for Army. I think they focus on the job that needs to get done and that's what matters to them.

Response by LCpl Darrell McGraw made Nov 10 at 2016 11:45 AM

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I'm a Marine Vet and my wife is a Vet. She have learned what it is to be a Marine. She like the overall brotherhood of the Marines. Young and old. We always go out if our way to speak to one another. She's happy to be the wife of a Marine.

Response by David Wawrzyniak made Nov 17 at 2016 8:43 PM

2016-11-17T20:43:45-05:00

Professionals and know one gets left behind

Response by PFC Johnny Trevino made Feb 2 at 2017 8:55 PM

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Marines are gay

Response by Cpl Myron Cotton made Feb 3 at 2017 2:04 PM

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The Few The Proud need I say more

Response by Maria Larios made Feb 5 at 2017 12:59 PM

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My son is a Marine his on Infantry training, He never had Dicipline he's my only child is gave him everything in this world,,but when went to the boot camp,,they made a such transformation of him ,i remember his first letter he wrote me Mom now here I'm understand your sacrifices you did for me i never appreciated,,now in here i dont have nothing my DI'S screaming in my face all the time not just one ,two or three, this a real life Mom,,i raised my son by myself, I'm singe mom,but im so grateful for the DI's change my Son from been spoiled to a such good man,,now he's just graduated from Infantry training, now his in California, for his serious training,,Thank Marines Corps,,Thank you for your services,,Semper Fi

Response by Charla Beach made Feb 5 at 2017 7:12 PM

2017-02-05T19:12:50-05:00

i have children that were and still are in the military. one in army and one started marines and then crossed to navy . andd the child that was a marine first said she likes marines better more disaplined . ans at this time in the world i would have to agr÷ we need a more disaplined military.

Response by Kathy St. Germaine made Feb 5 at 2017 8:39 PM

2017-02-05T20:39:05-05:00

Tough one, my husband was army my son was marine

Response by LCpl Donald Faucett made Feb 6 at 2017 8:39 PM

2017-02-06T20:39:30-05:00

They have the highest code of standards and honor to uphold. Trust me, we take our reputation serious. To the grave! Strict penalties and ridged discipline. Who else are you going to get to charge a machine gun bunker with little support?

Response by MAJ John Daman made Feb 9 at 2017 12:02 AM

2017-02-09T00:02:26-05:00

One thing our US Marines are is infantry first from officers to cooks marksmanship is a requirement each year to qualify. US Army is most school trained cadets for the most part and has only limited infantry MOS designations.

Response by GySgt Mike Angelo made Feb 11 at 2017 11:49 AM

2017-02-11T11:49:22-05:00

The Marine Corps has always been the front for Leadership! I can look at a young PFC against a young Army Lieutenant and quickly see a difference! Please, I am not knocking the Army; they have had some incredible Warriors who made incredible sacrifices for our Country! But there is a difference in maturity that you can spot right away!

Response by LCpl Keith Frazier made Feb 11 at 2017 9:48 PM

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I was in BOTH the Army National Guard AND the United States Marine Corps, and there is no comparison to the demands put on your physical, mental and constitutional make up. You will be filtered out quickly if you are weak! The refocused mind they educate, now never says, "I can't do that" and "why me?" to become "You don't have anything that I cannot overcome!" That is when you become a Marine!

Response by LCpl James Daley made Feb 28 at 2017 8:46 AM

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The Marines and the Army have different jobs. The Marines are to be use as shock troops always at the ready. Every commander who tried to make the Marines do the Army's job has cost a lot of Marine lives. Sustained contact with the enemy is the job of the Army. They have the better equipment and more men. If you need immediate engagement with the enemy call the Marines.

Response by Sgt William Collins made Feb 28 at 2017 9:37 AM

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Boy, you gotta watch yourself with this subject. Not to offend my brethren in the other services, but I have always believed the Marine Corps honors it's traditions and breeds a better warrior. This has to do with two things: boot camp and advertising. Both MCRDs make it real clear from the first time you step off the bus that your life has just changed drastically. For the next few months you will be subject to strong discipline and will learn a different way of life based on duty and honor. You learn it or perish. Everything else in the Marine Corps comes from that. Second, the Corps has had to survive for centuries against political pressures which would destroy it if allowed to. It therefore presents very effectively an image of a warrior cult unequalled in the world's military. Whether this is true or not, individual Marines try to live up to it and are often quite successful at that. No one is out to do eliminate the other services so they have nothing to prove.

Response by Cpl Thomas Woods made Feb 28 at 2017 3:36 PM

2017-02-28T15:36:57-05:00

This one's easy.... Y'all remember the joke where the kid says that there are only 2 armed services the Army & the Navy....The Air Force being a corporation, and the Marine Corps being a CULT! (cult of Brothers is more like it) We are socialized that way. Soldiers have their Battle Buddy....Airmen have their Wingman.....Sailors have their Shipmates....Marine have our Brother Marines. As we all know, we'll do ANYTHING for our Brothers except LET THEM DOWN....From that fraternal love comes the discipline.......

Response by LCpl Paul Baumeister made Feb 28 at 2017 4:52 PM

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When I was in basic, a very long time ago, our Senior Drill Instructor said something that kinda stuck with me, and it fits your question... When you join the Army, you become a soldier. When you join the Navy, you become a sailor. When you sign up for the Marine Corps, you're signing up for the chance to try and earn a title, Marine, and everything that comes with it. Not once throughout boot camp did anyone refer to any of us as "Marines", until the first time we were addressed during our graduation. The title carried pride along with it, and it's something the other branches haven't really been able to instill.

Other branches, I'd just like to say that I don't think you're any less worthy of recognition... we're all on the same side, and everyone has a job to do. Just seems like the Corps has gone the extra step by instilling something extra that comes with earning a title.

Semper Fi, kids...

Response by Capt Michael Halpin made Mar 1 at 2017 8:54 AM

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The problem the Army has began following WWII when they greatly reduced the authority of their NCO corps and that of junior officers. If you are interested read "This Kind of War", a classic history of the Korean War. Then add to this the Army's changes during Vietnam and with the all volunteer military where they eased up on trains ne and discipline to appeal more to teenagers and 20 somethings. They Army became a place to get job skills and education benefits not to became a warrior. They have recovered a lot, their ads are now directed to those who want to serve the country and become warriors. But I believe they still have sensitivity training.

Response by SGT Brandon Smith made Mar 1 at 2017 9:26 AM

2017-03-01T09:26:09-05:00

The flag bare is holding there company flag wrong lmao army definitely don't need notes from them lmao

Response by PO3 Kyle Zendarski made Mar 1 at 2017 3:15 PM

2017-03-01T15:15:22-05:00

Deff a good earfull from a cheif than give the okay I got you go back to work filled by a shit eval

Response by Cpl Matthew Martin made Mar 1 at 2017 6:00 PM

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Join up and find out!

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Mar 4 at 2017 12:07 AM

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Says who when I was in you were wear spit shined boots and pressed uniforms and Not Look like a Rag Bag I once asked one of My soldiers did he get his uniform out of his duffle bag. So that evening we had Class on how to maintain a Military Uniform and there was some Good training but he wasn't the only one.
SSG MARK FRANZEN
USA VET

Response by SGT Trent Shaffer made Mar 5 at 2017 9:37 AM

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i was an Army infantryman 11B and there was nothing slack about this unit,or less strict than any Marine unit,i come from a military family,3 brothers and father covering all branches but navy.at the end of the day we are all green HUAH!

Response by Cpl Tom Surdi made Mar 18 at 2017 3:17 PM

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As the saying goes "Once a Marine, always a Marine!" Every Marine, no matter how long you have been off active duty, still maintains some of that which made them a Marine in the first place. I've been out 15 years and I still hold myself as any active duty Marine would. The Marine Corps isn't just another branch in the service, it's a life style. We are feared the world over because of our discipline, ferocity and unwillingness to quit drives us to destroy our enemies. When we show up, enemies are known for go into hiding. While the Army is a blunt instrument, the Marine Corps is a needle driven deep into the heart of America's enemies, striking fear into their very souls. And there is a reason for this. Unlike every other branch in the Military, regardless of your main MOS in the Corps, every Marine is first and foremost a rifleman. Everyone from the cooks and admin on up to the Commandant will pick up a rifle and blow your head off. We are master marksman, as the other saying goes, "One shot, One kill!" We are the elite, we are the best of the best, we aren't soldiers, seaman or airman, we are Marines.

Response by LCpl Johnny Carroll made Mar 21 at 2017 8:51 PM

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we are all brothers and always will be

Response by SPC Bigmike Sing made Mar 22 at 2017 3:27 AM

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Because they have two different missions. All branchs of military have the proper balance for their prespective mission some need more strict no thinking while some need to be coddled and all thinking. Those extremes were from the corp to the air force.

Response by SFC Donald Neal made Mar 29 at 2017 1:55 AM

2017-03-29T01:55:10-04:00

Interesting question and even more interesting arguments from all kinds of folks. If you believe they are more professional and better than you then they are, because in your heart you have committed to believing as much. I've never had a problem with standards of discipline, professionalism, and pride in my Regiment, and fellow Soldiers (Troopers). Your career is what you make of it, and if others around you aren't able to step up to the plate and get in on the goodness, then you do not want to have them stand next to you. Tradition, esprit des corps, mastery of one's profession of arms isn't relegated to just one branch.

I was lucky because I served primarily in Cavalry units where we used traditions, history, and the sense of élan of being a Cavalryman. I had the privilege of having not just tough leaders, but ones that trained me, and inculcated Army pride in what I did. I did the same for my troops when I became a leader. You can do that too, maybe without the head start I had, but you can get there.

No need to argue quality of amphibious landings, marching, weapons marksmanship, and recruiting mantras, since everyone already hashed that out. Just will note how there are differences between basic combat training and boot camp, but will note how very similar they are too. Before everyone loses their minds, I will base that in my 3 years at Fort Jackson as a Drill Sergeant, where our program was reviewed frequently and compared with Paris Island's program (just down the road). We did make adjustments to our program to match some of the success they had at Paris Island. For instance we added a soft shoe day (Sundays were no boots, just running shoes) to reduce the numbers of shin splints in the recruit training ranks.

And before I get eighty billion messages about any and everything; I have Marines in my family (one WWII Marine, one Korean War Marine), half a dozen Soldiers (two uncles in Vietnam, brother Desert Storm, brother OIF), a Sailor (uncle in Vietnam), and an Airman (Cold War).

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Aug 22 at 2017 11:26 AM

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USMC don't allow CELL phones in BASIC training and they still believe in making a freaking man out of even if your a woman, have you ever seen a female Marine out of boot camp? my point taken again ARMY. sorry I was Army but old Army.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2017 11:30 AM

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They are more. Lose knit than the army because they are smaller

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2017 2:57 PM

2017-09-26T14:57:21-04:00

Take some notes, huh... so should we piss on dead enemy combatants? Or start a website dedicated to slandering our female members and civilians, by sharing their nude pictures? I'm unclear where you wanna go from here.

They aren't inherently more "professional", they just have a better way of keeping it under the radar. Smaller footprint, means smaller public display of stupidity.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Sep 26 at 2017 6:34 PM

2017-09-26T18:34:13-04:00

Because we're better

Response by Cpl Daniel Davis made Sep 26 at 2017 8:26 PM

2017-09-26T20:26:18-04:00

The Marines focus more on indoctrination into the warrior mentality and the family that is the Corps. The Army makes its focus on tactics before instilling the mentality that makes Marines, Marine.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2017 2:14 AM

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It all comes down to the reputation we've earned over every war we've fought in. Starting at boot camp, recruits are ingrained with a "never back down" attitude, because hardly ever since our creation has a Marine not fought tooth and nail with the utmost ferocity for every inch of ground wherever we've been. Even off the battlefield, everything that makes us who we are is constantly drilled into us and molds the next generations of leaders, who continue to pass it down. Even with drill and ceremony, every movement is executed with snap and precision (because someone already yelled at us for hours a day practicing it for that change of command). Anyone we happen to fight against will usually be like 'oh great, the U.S. Army is coming,' but if they hear Marines are rushing into the fray, they're probably shitting themselves because they know they're screwed, as history is not on their side. To be honest, we could try to explain it as much as we want, but to really know, you have to experience it yourself.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2017 12:10 PM

2017-09-27T12:10:08-04:00

Reclass 11 series and go Airborne/Ranger.

Response by Cpl Howard Dingman made Sep 27 at 2017 1:14 PM

2017-09-27T13:14:43-04:00

I've pondered this question in the context of the Villanueva debacle. To me, it is unimaginable that a West Point Officer would sell out his country and apologize for displaying proper decorum. No Marine would do that. Semper Fidelis means Always Faithful, and Always means Always.

Response by Cpl Howard Dingman made Sep 27 at 2017 1:17 PM

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I have pondered this question in the context of the Villanueva NFL debacle. It is incomprehensible to me that a West Point Officer would sell out his country and apologize for displaying appropriate decorum and pride. No Marine would do that. Semper Fidelis means Always Faithful, and Always means Always.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Sep 27 at 2017 3:07 PM

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When I was in we had a great level of respect for our branch and a very high level of self respect. If is your mindset maybe that needs some work? The army I was in was a very professional branch.

Response by Sgt Geary Johnson made Oct 14 at 2017 12:15 AM

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That is why they call us the the proud we always back our brother in a time of need. It is insteeled in us to be somthing that very few has the honnor to be from day 1 the man next to you becomes your famliy and the world sees you as such. The more prof you are the world see you in that manner. We dont ask for respect. History has gave us respect for the countless times we have prevaild.first in last out PRIDE. HONOR. INTEGRITY. SELFRESPECT. Many marines before us have lost there lifes for our uniform and i will wear mine to the grave with Honor.Pride.And most of all respect for those who fought and died before and those that will after i hope this answer your ? SEMPER FI.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 31 at 2017 3:13 PM

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Read your history, Tell me about the major contributions of the Corp for the from 1776-1917. Tell me about their heroic stand that changed the outcome of a war? Tripoli? Please One officer and a Couple of enlisted men do not a fortress take, Halls of Montezuma...a joke at best (Known as the Battle of Mexico City or the Fortress of , General Winfield Scott was the Commander (US Army), the vast majority of his force was Army, and a myth of a blood stripe was born, but in truth the strip had been on the USMC Uniform since 1839, eight years prior.

Here is snippet from Wikipedia on the order of battle:

Response by BG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2018 11:18 PM

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Nice pic

Response by Cpl Richard Mc Lain made Dec 7 at 2018 6:26 PM

2018-12-07T18:26:11-05:00

I agree, I SPENT 3 YRS in Marines. I SPENT 7 YRS in Army. My Bulldog with U.S.M.C. below it tattoo. I told people in Army. You know how it is when drunk in tattoo parlor. 70 - 73. 76 - 83

Response by SGT Mathew Husen made Apr 5 at 2019 4:07 PM

2019-04-05T16:07:58-04:00

The Army doesn't need to worry about what other branches are doing.

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Apr 5 at 2019 5:33 PM

2019-04-05T17:33:32-04:00

I agree

Response by SPC Gary Gaston made Apr 5 at 2019 5:49 PM

2019-04-05T17:49:46-04:00

Then why the hell didn’t you join the marines

Response by Cpl Gene Meyer made Apr 5 at 2019 5:59 PM

2019-04-05T17:59:00-04:00

It all begins at boot.. Where Gods creators of Marines take the spine, mind and heart out of the civilian and install the Steel backbone of Corps, the fighting Spirit of a Devil Dog and the Wisdom of Every Marine before him. They mix that all together and produce a professional killing machine that can go from a civilized professional into a dedicated, loyal and trustworthy fighting machine with the only focus being to win at all costs. A Marine will always putting his brothers life and safety above his own at all times, no matter what. That Brotherhood is what sets us apart from all others, Active, retired or veteran it does not matter once a Marine always a Marine. Semper Fi!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2019 6:06 PM

2019-04-05T18:06:51-04:00

It’s because they are smaller

Response by SSG Fred Campbell made Apr 5 at 2019 6:49 PM

2019-04-05T18:49:49-04:00

You’ve obviously never been in a Infantry unit, they carry the torch for unit cohesion and motivation. The Marines are cool and all, but they still technically don’t have their own department or branch...

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Apr 5 at 2019 6:58 PM

2019-04-05T18:58:17-04:00

Marine Corps is a much smaller community, easier to instill and maintain the traits the OP speaks of. I calculate there are some Army units every bit as STRAC and hard core as you'll find in the Corps.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2019 7:08 PM

2019-04-05T19:08:07-04:00

Tradition is fine but it is not the bases of professionalism. The Army and Marines are in the business of winning the nation's wars. Both are very professional and good at different things. Yes, I admire the Marine Corps and my sons have my blessing to enlist if they want. I wouldn't say they are more professional than the Army though. The Marines will take young former Soldiers, but they will make you go back to boot camp. Do it :D

Response by GySgt John Boring made Apr 5 at 2019 7:18 PM

2019-04-05T19:18:11-04:00

CWO2 DuBois is on target with his comments. The only thing I would add is that most of our traditions involve our conduct under fire. The honors we celebrate are from blood shed and victories won. Our combat units are always combat-ready even in peace time. The Korean war was a prime example of the difference in leadership and training between the services. The Army units in Japan and in Korea at the time the war started were soft from occupation duty. Their equipment was out of date and in sad repair. Many had not fired their weapon in years. They were ill-equipped to fight a war much less the juggernaut Army of the North Koreans. When the Marines were introduced to the Pusan perimeter they stopped the NK advance cold. It was a matter of being prepared for battle. When led properly and trained adequately the U.S. Army is second to none. Marines are always in that condition - prepared and trained for the fight. A major difference.

Response by SGT Daniel Myers made Apr 5 at 2019 8:05 PM

2019-04-05T20:05:20-04:00

The only thing better about the Corp is their marketing, colorful outrageous tee shirts, and their dress blues.

In my "humble" opinion, most of them I've ever met are braggarts to the Nth degree, talk too loud and too much, drink too much and can't do have the crap they claim.

I've saved my fair share of these "fire-pissers" from crap they got themselves into for not being level headed and professional.

Don't think I'm being too harsh on the boys in blue though, I've had the rare privilege of working in mixed units of Army, Air Force, and Marines and if it wasn't for the direct actions of one brave ass Marine, I wouldn't be alive to share this narrative with you.

Thank you Sir, whoever you were, God bless you for He knows who you are. He did live btw so I could complete my mission, it was that important and he knew it.

Response by Cpl Westin Sandberg made Apr 6 at 2019 8:58 AM

2019-04-06T08:58:57-04:00

As many others have said before and will continue to I believe, "The Few, The Proud" "Once a Marine, Always a Marine." And "Semper Fidelis" (Always Faithful). The culture of the Corps runs deep from the very first day you are not a Marine on day one, you are not a Private, you are a recruit. You are a hopeful, if you want to make it and earn the title, "you" and "I" don't exist anymore. And I don't mean in the proverbial sense like "do it for the team" kind of way, I mean like the you get smoked if you use the words "i" or "you" kind of way. There is the fireteam/squad/platoon/etc. and that is it. There is no individual, self does not exist any longer.

Further, as many others have said, the Corps is very proud of it's history, and knowledge of this history is required to graduate...

In my active time in the Corps, interacting with Soldiers, and in my limited time in the Army reserves, I, personally have had the experience that most (junior, at least) Soldiers don't know or don't care about their history. You can ask any Marine when the Marine Corps Birthday is, and the response will likely be a well rehearsed "NOVEMBER 10TH 1775, TUNN TAVERN, PENNSYLVANIA!", because it is a sense of pride and is pounded into every recruit's brain day after day. I have asked countless Soldiers when the army birthday is, and with very very few exceptions the responses are "I don't *expletive* know." Or "I don't give an *expletive* about that *expletive*!"

Now, while I know that you can't shine a turd, and there will always be a few turds hiding amongst the coal, the fact that in my experience the vast majority of Soldiers share that attitude tells me that this is primarily an issue of something flawed in the training or leadership within Boot Camp, training, and command within units.

For me, when I was with the Army, (and many other prior Marines I served with in the Army Reserves), nothing was more infuriating than hearing a Soldier call am E-5 and up "Sarge" I personally always found it incredibly disrespectful.

But to close I will say this, even though the end of my enlisted service was with the Army, I will say I don't consider myself a Soldier, even when I was in the Reserves I still was irritated and being called "Soldier" and several times, respectfully and tactfully requested my superiors to refer to me as "Marine" (or any number of foul terms we used in the Corps that I won't repeat here). My point being is that I never saw or felt any real comradarie(excuse my spelling, I do eat crayons after all) as part of one of the most badass fighting forces in the world in the Army.

Response by MSG Bo Mikel made Apr 6 at 2019 9:21 AM

2019-04-06T09:21:42-04:00

The marines have an enlistment standard.... the army has an enlistment quota....

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 6 at 2019 9:41 AM

2019-04-06T09:41:59-04:00

You can't tell me the Marines were more professional than the Aviation and Armor units I served in.

Response by Capt Walter Miller made Jul 22 at 2019 10:10 AM

2019-07-22T10:10:53-04:00

Well, what are you going to do when the most famous soldier is George "Autie" Custer? And no, George Washington was never in the United States Army. Washington was made the CG of the -Continental- Army. The use of "United States Army" isn't seen until GW was president.
Like the Marine Corps, the Army and Navy have co-opted the Revolutionary War birth for their genealogy.

The U.S. Marine Corps was signed into law 07/11/1798.

"The Legion of the United States was a reorganization and extension of the Continental Army from 1792 to 1796 under the command of Major General Anthony Wayne composed of professionally trained soldiers, rather than state militias.[1] The Legion was composed of four sub-legions each with its own infantry, cavalry, riflemen and artillery.

The Legion was formed as a policy instrument in the Northwest Indian War to avenge Gen. Arthur St. Clair's defeat on the Ohio frontier in 1791, and to assert U.S. sovereignty over Miami Indian country in northern Ohio and Indiana.

The Legion is best known for its victory at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in Aug. 1794.

In 1796, after the death of Anthony Wayne, the Legion was rechristened the Army of the United States." -wiki

So I guess the U.S. Army doesn't have any actual birthday, or no one remembers the actual date.

The Continental Navy disappeared around 1785 when the last ship was sold off. The Navy was reborn with the Naval Act of 1794.

"The United States Navy claims 13 October 1775 as the date of its official establishment, when the Second Continental Congress passed a resolution creating the Continental Navy. With the end of the American Revolutionary War, the Continental Navy was disbanded. Under first President George Washington threats to American merchant shipping by Barbary pirates from four North African Muslim States, in the Mediterranean, led to the Naval Act of 1794, which created a permanent standing U.S. Navy. The original six frigates were authorized as part of the Act. Over the next 20 years, the Navy fought the French Republic Navy in the Quasi-War (1798–99), Barbary states in the First and Second Barbary Wars, and the British in the War of 1812. " -wiki

None of the six frigate authorized in 1794 was completed until 1797.

So I guess the U.S. Navy doesn't -really- have a birthday either.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2020 4:26 AM

2020-11-17T04:26:26-05:00

You can be as professional as you want to be. It's up to you.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Nov 17 at 2020 1:27 PM

2020-11-17T13:27:11-05:00

I have to concur, having served in both branches. I claimed the Marine Corps as my branch of service for the same reason.
Sorry Army, I don’t care for your leadership development program and it’s associated political system.

Response by SGT Alan Martinez made Jan 20 at 2023 3:14 AM

2023-01-20T03:14:19-05:00

Lol