Posted on May 29, 2016
Why is the spectrum of housing so much different from top to bottom? Why do junior Soldiers get the quarters that show major wear?
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I think a more important question to ask might be, "Do the junior enlisted get adequate housing?" Those who have negotiated better terms of employment should not be denied the housing they have. However, if it means that the junior personnel have to live in substandard housing, then something is wrong with the system.
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SrA Michael Dorwaldt
Lt Col (Join to see) - actually, almost all af officers were great. The enlisted side had more if the no work ethic or experience. Yes, perhaps some of the butter bars were lost in space, but grew given time and tutoring by other Sometimes all that needed to be said was "sir, i don't know anything that's designed to work in O and crew chiefs. work in O-F-F mode"! The combined squadron concept with fliers and maint together helped with understanding and moral, also.
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SrA Michael Dorwaldt
Thinking about it, i can come to one conclusion. Base to base and branch to branch housing conditions vary. And in the end, rank does have its privilege, no matter the correctness. As in the civiian world, the higher up the more pay, and more ability to have more.
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Cpl (Join to see)
I think a better question than "why do officers get better housing?" is "why is junior enlisted housing in such deplorable conditions that they're almost unlivable?"
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1SG (Join to see) No disrespect intended, but rank has its privileges, and it is the same in the civilian world.
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Sgt (Join to see)
SFC (Join to see) - Vietnam was bad. We did not have air conditioning in the barracks at 29 Palms. Windows shut to keep out sand storms, 100+ heat, you get the picture. Mold can be very bad. Has anyone gone up the chain of command and talked to the 1st Sergeant about this?
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SFC Matthew Mason
Cpl Joshua Pitts - You can look at who voted it up and looks pretty dominated by enlisted to me.
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SCPO Derek Lindsay
Rank does have privileges but it also has responsibilities. As leaders we have a responsibility to our subordinates to ensure they have what they need, not 'whatever is available' and to 'suck it up'.
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Because housing is part of the total compensation package ( Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS ) and officers essentially negotiated better terms of employment with their employer ( SGM Erik Marquez ). You could ask the same question about lots of classes of Servicemembers: replace "officers" with "those who are married" or "those who are single" or "those who have 1 to x children" and this response is fairly similar. We all know the "rules of the game" and choose to exist inside of the system-----it has never and will never make sense to me that those Servicemembers who are married and/or have a team of kids are compensated "better" by DoD than their single peers or peers with less children, but that's how the system works. We have the option of accepting this (and complaining about it!) or deciding we want to renegotiate the terms of our employment (ie, by separating, taking the steps necessary to "move up" the compensation ladder, through, say OCS or other commissioning programs, getting married, having/adopting kids, etc).
Also, I do think this "officers have better housing" perspective is less and less accurate, especially overseas, although the marital status and total number of dependents issue is perhaps worse overseas than CONUS.
Also, I do think this "officers have better housing" perspective is less and less accurate, especially overseas, although the marital status and total number of dependents issue is perhaps worse overseas than CONUS.
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CPT (Join to see)
SSgt (Join to see) - you're down playing the "bit" more for being married but true to quantity of dependents has no effect. You might make more single with taxes but you get a bigger deduction married and tax credit for children.
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SSG (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - Sir I must say that you're correct in that this is not a free for all and I should still use respect, after all you are a service member and I respect that and I apologize for being rude. However I couldn't disagree with you anymore, soldiers are not getting over by having families and they 100% should receive extra money for having them. I am going to assume that you do not have children or a family to provide for based on your comment. The child care is not free and cost's about the same as a full sized 2016 truck off the lot with a 18% interest rate. The money for food is not enough and the medical co pays are extensive. You have missed the single most important thing about this entire subject. THIS IS NOT A FORTUNE 500 BUSINESS we are a FAMILY and family run business. How many times have you gotten to take care of personal things that would not be authorized in the civilian world? The answer is many times and the reason is because you are family. I know that you have deployed and have actually done your job in some shitty places. I ask you a question, did you treat your soldiers as family or as employees? We must take care of our families and loved ones especially when we are gone all the time i.e. training/deployments etc. So when I see you commenting about the difference in pay between single soldiers and married ones with family I get upset because it shows me that you are only thinking about yourself and not the struggle that goes on inside a military family. In my 45 plus months deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq I have seen so many families fail for various reasons but 1 of the issues should not be about money. I will admit that I am out classed in any open forum and my writing skills are in some desperate need of help but I assure you that in person sitting down drinking a beer I could make my point a lot easier.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SSG (Join to see) - thanks for the reply--all well said. We disagree on the financial aspect here, although I do appreciate your conception of the military as family.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Capt (Join to see) - All of the things you mention speak to higher compensation for those who have dependents. It's not "whining" when people point out institutionalized discrimination. I had the exact same perspective when I was a younger and single---my perspective hasn't changed with time or because of the fact that I'm married.
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