Posted on Sep 8, 2016
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Can anyone tell me why the process takes so long for RC officer/warrant promotions to run through the FedRec cycle? I'm an ARNG officer and I've had my state promotion orders for CPT since the middle of April. I've been tracking my packet on the ARNG-G1 website and it was awaiting addition to a scroll until a month ago and last week the scroll was ready to start the approval DoD cycle. Thoughts?
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Just got word from my state OPM that my scroll was published yesterday at 13:36! The wait is finally over! Just waiting for it to hit IPERMS!
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I don't believe NGB has a clue once it reaches SECDEF (and likely wouldn't ask). They likely wouldn't even want to trouble the Pentagon with such a trivial inquiry. This marks day 175 which equates the total number of days P01-17 spent in scroll (according to the previous forum posts). It's like holding your breath under water. We can now celebrate we went longer than the last group.
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CPT (Join to see) - My order was cut at 162.
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1LT (Join to see) - Do you have contact info for SFC Palmer? I tried looking in AKO, but no luck
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2LT (Join to see) - SFC CHRISSY PALMER
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Hope this helps!
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Even though the G1 tracker has not been updated, NGB has informed me that scroll P01-17 has been signed and published. They said check with your state OPM for a copy of your orders. Congrats to everyone else on that scroll. I'll post the date on my orders so that the people on the next scroll can have an idea of how close they are to having orders in hand.

***Edit***

The tracker changed today (06APR17) so I posted the picture. Scroll published yesterday.
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That's great news...congrats! Hopefully U01-17 is not far behind. From what I recall my scroll was about 2-3 days behind yours based on the ticker count.
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I have not commented on any of the posts, but I have been reading the posts and experiencing the pain with you all. I am on P02-17 and have been patiently waiting along with the rest of you. I work as an aide for our TAG and I will say this issue has been getting A LOT of attention as of lately. I know the CNGB has been made aware in a very "blunt" way from several of the TAGs. The downside with us Guard and Reserve is that for a lot of change to happen for "us" it has to be initiated through our congressional delegates. With that being said here comes the dreaded "Write your congressman" speech. But, seriously take 20 minutes to sit down and write a letter to your governors and congressmen. Include the details good or bad of the process, the being kept in the dark about why it takes so long, families having to wait 10 plus months for a pay raise because of the process, the 13 or so offices it has to go through for whatever reason. We wonder why Soldiers leave the service bitter and upset... This process has been broken for a long time and it is even worse for you Warrant Officers out there! No one at NGB or higher is going to fix the issue themselves. They aren't on scrolls like we are so they aren't waiting to be promoted. I want to congratulate all of the ones that just had their orders published! Hopefully this process will be streamlined in the future. In the meantime we will wait and see what the tracker says tomorrow.
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Good addition. That was going to be my next move was to write my congressman. If we all take the time to do that, we stand a chance at getting this fixed. Of just a few say something, nothing will happen.
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1LT (Join to see) - Well said! I plan on doing so once my orders get published so I have a clear "it started here & ended here" tale for my reps.
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Everyone should check their FEDREC trackers... A bunch of orders seem to have published over the weekend...
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Please be mindful that CURRENT EVENTS impact scrolls presently at the HIGHEST LEVEL. All scrolls will published for generation of promotion orders when received.

** The rest of the message was the as of July 12th update **

L02-19 Office of SecDef
L03-19 OTJAG
PL09-19 Check iPerms for published orders
PL11-19 Office of SecDef (yes the scrolls are out of order)
PL12-19 Check iPerms for published orders
PL13-19 Office of SecDef (yes the scrolls are out of order)
PL14-19 Check iPerms for published orders
PL15-19 Office of SecDef
PL16-19 Office of SecDef
PL17-19 OTJAG
PL18-19 OTJAG
PL19-19 OTJAG
SL03-19 Office of SecDef
SL04-19 Office of SecDef
SL05-19 Office of SecDef
U06-19 Check iPerms for published orders
U07-19 Check iPerms for published orders
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Thanks for the update!
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thanks
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One can only hope.
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This will definitely thrown a wrench into the process.
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Update As of 31 MAY:
L02-19 - Adverse Screening
PL06-19 - Check Iperms
PL07-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL08-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL09-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL10-19 - Office of the Secretary of Defense
PL11-19 - Adverse Screening
PL12-19 - Chief of Staff - Army
PL13-19 - Adverse Screening
PL14-19 - Adverse Screening
PL15-19 - Adverse Screening
PL16-19 - Adverse Screening
SL03-19 - Adverse Screening
SL04-19 - Adverse Screening
U06-19 - Office Secretary of Defense
U07-19 - Chief of Staff - Army
U08-19 - Chief of Staff - Army
U(d)9-19 - Adverse Screening
U10-19 - Adverse Screening
U11-19 - Adverse Screening
U12-19 - OTJAG
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The system is either down or is not being updated. Scroll 09-19 has been sitting at "80" days for three or four days now.
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Scroll P11-19 just changed today from O days in cycle to, "Awaiting Dir of Mil Pers Mgmt; P11-19; 84 Days in DoD Approval cycle."
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System updated: Scroll 09-19 still at OSD, but now "85 Days in Approval Cycle"
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My tracker updated today as well. U06-19 is at OSD with 129 days in the approval cycle.
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As of 29 APR 2019:

L02-19 - Adverse Screening
PL05-19 - Check iPERMS for published orders
PL06-19 - Vice Chief of Staff
PL07-19 - Vice Chief of Staff
PL08-19 - Vice Chief of Staff
PL09-19 - Vice Chief of Staff
PL10-19 - Secretary of the Army
PL11-19 - Adverse Screening
PL12-19 - Adverse Screening
SL03-19 - Adverse Screening
SL04-19 - Adverse Screening
U06-19 - Adverse Screening
U07-19 - Adverse Screening
U08-19 - Adverse Screening
U(d)9-19 - Adverse Screening
U10-19 - Adverse Screening
U11-19 - OTJAG
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Thanks CPT...I was worried there for a long minute!
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CW3 (Join to see) - Thanks for the response Chief. My S-1 is trying to track it as well, but they esentially told us it would take 3-6 months for it to play out, but that I wouldn't be able to track it. Just seems like its a way for them to avoid accountability on tracking it. The last update I got frm HRC was over two months ago saying it left OTJAG and was back at DMPM. Nothing shows up on the NGB fed rec portal either.
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This process was supposed to be sped up, no?
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Had published orders in iPERMS this morning. Scroll L01-19
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An update for some of you folks.
Sorry for the crummy picture quality.
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Sir, do you have an update?
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As of 21 Dec 18

L04-18 – OSD
L01-19 - OTJAG
PL13-18 - OSD
PL14-18 - OSD <----update
PL15-18 - OSD <----update
PL01-19 - CSA
PL02-19 - ASA <--- update
PL03-19 - Adverse Screening
SL06-18 - OSD <----update
SL01-19 - CSA
SL02-19 - CSA <----update
U(d) 15-18 - OSD
U(d) 5-19 - OTJAG <---update
U12-18 - OSD <---update
U13-18 - Sec Army
U14-18 - OSD <----update
U01-19 - Adverse Screening <---update
U02-19 - Adverse Screening <---update
U03-19 - OTJAG <---update
U04-19 - OTJAG <---update

Merry Christmas!
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Any updates?
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U10-18 just moved on from JAG today. Now it is Awaiting Dir Ch of Staff Pers approval; U10-18; 139 Days in DoD Approval cycle
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Quick article by NGAUS about improving FEDREC wait times. The author writes, "Some National Guard officers are waiting 40 percent less for federal recognition of their state promotions since NGAUS cast a light on lengthy delays in the process."

I'm glad that the article ends with the NGAUS president BG (Ret.) Roy Robinson quoted saying, "But we can’t be satisfied yet. This process used to take just a couple months. With all the background information available now electronically, we should be able to get back to that."

https://www.ngaus.org/about-ngaus/newsroom/fedrec-wait-times-see-dramatic-drop
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U06-18 Published today, so I hope the others nearby were part of that approval. Date of Rank 19 September.
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I see it as well. Congratulations to everyone on the list!
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U05-18 Didn't. Drat.
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U05-18 Published 20 September.
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Woops! Looks like U04-18 published yesterday as well.
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P09-18 published last night for those that are tracking. Congrats to all!
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What!!! How did 09-18 jump 07-18?
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1LT (Join to see) - Just checked, 07-18 published, effective date of yesterday.
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Billy I apologize for sounding harsh. Just frustrated in the whole process. Glad to see your scroll published. It’s much better than the 300 days guys were seeing not to long ago. Robert thanks for the uodate, hadn’t been to work yet here in Arizona. Congrats to all!!!!
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1LT (Join to see) - No problem, FYSA the scroll my wife was on took 333 days to publish so I understand the emotional aspect of the wait. Congrats
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Has anything moved in the last three weeks?
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MAJ (Join to see) - Sir, who did you speak to about P07-18 possibly being signed already but it not being pushed to NGB?
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The fedrec OIC who works there (CW3 Poppy)
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CPT (Join to see) - Did you check your status today? Congrats!
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CPT (Join to see) - thank you! I'd like to see the orders in iPERMs to show what the eff DOR is.
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P04-18, P05-18, and U02-18 have published today. Congrats!
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CW2 (Join to see) - There is no telling. I stopped trying to apply logic to the process a while ago. Not worth the headaches.
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CPT (Join to see) - Kelly your scroll might have had issues with someone on the scroll. That will hold up the entire scroll until things are resolved.
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Thought they did away with holding the entire scroll up if someone on it is having issues? I thought they pulled that person while the rest of the scroll moved on?
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I'm not totally sure how they do it.
For the 'Exemplary Conduct Screening', if someone has an 'issue', they do a quick assessment to see if its a short fix, or will take longer than a day or two to resolve (such as an open IG investigation). If its short, they hold the scroll and fix. If its long, they take the person off and continue processing the scroll.
However, something like a missing 1059, or out of date PHA or APFT, I'm not sure what they do as those are things they always checked for. In the past (several years ago), those its did hold up the whole scroll...
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Based on the fact P04 and P05 did not publish this morning, I would guess that means it's probably another week at least. Seems in the past scrolls tend to publish on Tuesday morning although not always, we very well may be looking at another week with no scrolls published. Hope I'm wrong but that's my guess...
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I wouldn't count it out just yet. Neither scroll updated the number of days today (P05-18 should be at 161)...could be a good sign, or it could just be that the tracker was not updated. Who knows at this point
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L04-17 is at 299, should have clicked to 300 today so the feeling is mutual. However, we have only been at SECDEF for 9 real business days. Yall have been there for what, 30 or so? Probably 40 real days?
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CPT (Join to see) - Here's to hoping so. Hopefully they are busy updating everything and that is why the system isn't updated yet...And maybe we will see by tomorrow AM...or it updates 2 days and we find out next week.
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I'm blown away that we have been at SECDEF for almost eight weeks. Insane
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Looks like the portal is down this morning. Could be agood sign....last time the portal when down like this, a bunch of scrolls were published.
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Nothing for P5-18 this morning, just another day. However apparently P2 and P3 posted so that only leaves P4 and P5 around 154-156 days-ish.

Here's to hoping it is this week...next week...
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MAJ (Join to see) - I hope its this week. I'm on P05 as well
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Well, looks like the new legislation may get vetoed at the White House if it pass the House and Senate...

https://www.ngaus.org/newsroom/news/white-house-opposes-‘fedrec’-legislation?https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__send.ngaus.org_link.cfm-3Fr-3DTRsMFkgwIFIgS9hypF0hNg-7E-7E-26pe-3D3aFVU-2D-2DiUIZcfVv9CFMaOOhyO1Sv6qj99jpVxBzz1l88epTHfztBJldMrwgIddcl48koMsUapJpz70hT29oEqQ-7E-7E-26t-3Dj90fbJjz5qhkIErza3gK7A-7E-7E&d=DwMFAw&c=UXmaowRpu5bLSLEQRunJ2z-YIUZuUoa9Rw_x449Hd_Y&r=tYY4EPPrLJV9qKnSxqvh73VOfk4bqYwjJAwf_IjSZ8s&m=ZR3YkZC-n7HYHJ3QJZqjIKRsA28VXaLwr9sYB18aPuc&s=Os_vXlVS9Tnx_l7h_84nV41_C_lA3-1M9SiG7q9Z9sg&e=

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White House Opposes ‘FedRec’ Legislation
NGAUS Washington Report
June 5, 2018

Legislation to hasten federal recognition of National Guard officer promotions does not have the blessing of the White House. The administration of President Trump cites “inequitable treatment” of Guard and active-component and Reserve officers as one reason it opposes the National Guard Promotion Accountability Act.
Guard officers commonly wait in excess of six months and sometimes much longer for the Pentagon to approve a promotion already endorsed by the state. The additional pay does not kick in until the federal recognition, but the officer may spend those months performing the job of the higher rank while receiving the lower rank’s pay.
Help shape the future of the National Guard
The act, which has the support of NGAUS, requires service secretaries to review the process in an attempt to complete it more quickly. It would also provide some officers with back pay to the time of the state promotion.
But active-component and Reserve officers wait, too, for recognition of their promotions. Sometimes six months pass from the promotion board’s recommendation to the final approval. The administration thinks it would be unfair to back-date the Guard promotions, as the legislation would do, but not the others.
The bill is included in the House version of the fiscal 2019 National Defense Authorization Act, H.R. 5515, and some version of the legislation is expected to be in the Senate NDAA when it is released this week or next.
Following the release of the House NDAA, the White House Statement of Administration Policy had this to say regarding the section on Guard officer promotions: “By mandating an effective date of promotion after Federal Recognition based upon the actions of a Governor of a State, the provision infringes on the authority of the President and Secretaries of military departments to appoint officers in the National Guard of the United States, which is part of the military’s Reserve Component. This provision would result in inequitable treatment among National Guard officers and similarly situated Regular Army, Regular Air Force, United States Army Reserve, and United States Air Force Reserve officers who are also subject to review before their appointment is tendered.”
During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in April, Army Secretary Mark Esper signaled his support for a change, saying to Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., “I think there are ways we can reduce the time.” He also agreed when Warren said the current system threatens morale.
Warren and Sen. Steve Daines, R-Mont., are authors of the Senate’s National Guard Promotion Accountability Act. The House bill is sponsored by Rep. Trent Kelly, R-Miss., and Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, D-N.H.
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I am Guard. I commissioned along with active duty Army, air force and Coast Guard through a Medical training and commissioning program. All of my active duty counterparts have been promoted about a year and a half before me and my guard counterparts. Now that's inequitable treatment.
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I'm beyond frustrated with this entire process, I'm on P04-18 and it seems to be just sitting there at SECDEF. My understanding in the past has always been that once it gets there it should only take a couple weeks and you'll have orders in hand. It seems now that this scroll is just sitting there being held for some reason.

Anyone have any insight into this process and why it's taking so long at a step that in the past has always been one of the quickest steps? This scroll is working on having been at SECDEF for 40 days. I also realize that others have had it a lot worse especially the -17 year scrolls. However, it is still very discouraging to keep checking the tracking and see no progress when it should be done already!
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1LT(P) Q J. - I hope so too being that our AT mid-tour AAR is tomorrow and I was really hoping to see the O4 $$$.
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Another day down with no movement - 45 days at SECDEF with no progress
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MAJ (Join to see) - yeah this sucks. No excuse.
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Three more days of AT. So much for the O4 $$$... FML
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