Why is there such a long wait for reserve component officer and warrant federal recognition/promotion?

Excellent letter that I feel addresses this concern. I would say if they will not entertain a reach back on back dating orders then the only other recourse will be to have the effective date of their plan (to back date the DOR to the state order) be state orders effective AFTER the passage of the bill-meaning no one currently in the process will benefit from the back date policy, only those who have state orders AFTER the passage of the bill thus not effecting the current promotion time line. This still does not solve the issue of righting the wrong that so many of us faced by feeling the full effect of the outdated FEDREC system but it does insure that we will not be further penalized by having officers DOR precede our DOR because it was backdated which is my main concern of this bill. I also agree that they should look at DOR corrections but like, you pointed out-no one seems to have that ability, or, ensure that any DOR reflecting a state order vs a FEDREC order take place well enough in the future that it does not place us in an unfair disadvantage of having to complete with people that we were previously years a head of prior to the passage of the law.

I have a little bit of experience with the ABCMR, and it is no better than the FEDREC process. I had a complicated issue that I submitted to ABCMR approaching 18 Months ago. Long story short, My Oath of office shows as OCT 2015 instead of my actual date of AUG 2013. So I sent up all of my documentation, letters of explanation, and references to them with a request for correction of military records. Since then I have asked and had my congressman ask on my behalf about the status and why such a long delay; and the response has been the same. Paraphrasing here but essentially, "We are very busy and it is not uncommon for it to take twelve months or even longer for us to even look at it....Sorry."

So, it would be extremely frustrating to move from one process which takes a ridiculous amount of time just to move to another process, which IMO has been worse. But, if that is the only option, then it is better than letting it ride uncorrected.

That does sound frustrating and yes, I agree, exchanging one flawed process for another doesn't seem like much of a gain. I mean, focus on fixing existing processes before introducing another one with an unlimited number of unknown problems and second and third order effects that have not been discussed.

2LT(P) (Join to see) have you tried to have an in person hearing about the issue? They can at times expedite things, although they can take away some other options of appeal thereafter

Lets just created a cap at 140 day mark for O5 and below (Current timeline). If you get it sooner than its great but if it goes over the 140 day mark, then your promotion gets back date to there for pay and time in grade. I think this is the most equitable and helps the people that have been sitting on the lists for 300 days..

Ill vote for that!

Anyone have updates on P11?

MAJ (Join to see) - Nice!

MAJ (Join to see) - Alright!!! Finally! Congratulations!!!!

Just an FYI, I saw on another page that P12-17 published today.

Yep....lapped again....in the slow race to promotion

This is such nonsense!

And it looks like 14 published. That makes 12,13, and 14 ahead of 11. Comical....but congrats to those guys

Same day count 277 yet P09 signed before P08..

U10-17 published - DOR is 5 Jan 2018
Congrats to all on that scroll!

LTC (Join to see) - I got really excited for a minute, but I'm on P10-17...not U10-17. So close....

Why can’t P08-17 get fedrec

With all due respect, you seem to be confusing time in grade requirements (hence your comment of making COT in one year) with the administrative backlog of processing promotion orders.

My last promotion was in 2013. The Fed Rec process then took 30-90 days usually. Things have changed in the past 2 years. Right now I know people who have been waiting over a year to be Federally Recognized. They were selected for promotion by their state in Spring 2016 and are still waiting to pin over 16 months later. The rumor I hear is that NGB erroneously allowed a few packets to be sent forward that shouldn't have (e.g. people with pending IG, EO complaints, arrest records, etc.), so now every packet is being subjected to "Extreme Vetting". But even if that's just a rumor and turns out not to be true, then we still don't know why promotion processing now takes over 5 times as long as it did 4 years ago.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I'm not confused. A portion of my reply was 'tongue in cheek' but the primary thoughts were not. I have the unique perspective of personal participation in three major conflicts and note from that experience a somewhat universal truth...during 'buildup' policies ease up; during 'let down' they tighten up again. I took full advantage of the 'ease up' part to go from CW2 to 1LT - quite a leap in grade at the time and absolutely unheard of prior to a wild idea proposed by some strap hanger back at the Pentagon, to entice battle tested experience to hang around in-country a little longer. I've seen obscene bonuses thrown around like candy to achieve the same, attached to fast-promotion promises. I'm fully aware of the difficulty to move forward in some aspects of our military - Active and Reserve. After all, a position must be open in order to promote into and that's hard when the juicy ones are locked in by homesteaders. But consider this as well...I punched every ticket out there and then some, always "available" and made a career out of that word. When a Battalion Commander job opened up, I was selected over dozens of other candidates due to my choice to always take the 'hard jobs.' I was only one of 56 Selectees world-wide to be promoted to 0-6 under the zone at first look, leaving hundreds of LTC's hanging with no where to go except retirement. But the end of my story isn't all glory - in full combat in Iraq, I received a notice from DA that due to the fact I was "born prior to March, 1949," I would not be promoted to Brigadier General (0-7). Too old for promotion but not too old to risk my life daily. I have no regrets. I spent two twenty-month tours in Iraq with young inexperienced service members in a Joint Command and could not have asked for a better assignment before giving it all up. I understand that 'system' problems are causing quite an issue now, but that hasn't changed. I simply called the applicable HQ and spoke to someone in HR to run down any question I had; completely going around any and all 'systems' for the information I needed. JCH

COL John Hudson - Outstanding response. And still true.

CPT (Join to see) - It's a shame, because the Guard will continue to hemorrhage their Officers until something changes. I am not sure which way I will go. I want to stay with my current unit, and will until my XO and (if they ask me to) Company Command tours are over....but I also want to get promoted in a timely fashion.

1SG Aaron Martin - I agree with you 100%, Top. I can't speak for anyone else, but the amount of malarkey I have been put through to pick up Captain is a morale crusher. I submitted my first promotion packet in Summer 2016. I am now at a year in waiting on my second packet, on the same scroll as LT Cole.

MAJ (Join to see) - I can't go through this process again. I report to CCC next Sunday, so once that is complete I plan on working my way into the Reserves.

CPT (Join to see) - I certainly don't blame you. It's just sad to watch the Guard needlessly lose Officers.

I think this is a bit outdated but I got my promotion orders today! Finally a MAJOR! Thanks for the constant updates!

CPT (Join to see) - Congrats. I noticed that I have not seen any "check iPerms" under the notifications. Now I'll have to keep checking iPerms. lol

MAJ (Join to see) I'm on PL09-18, seems like we were moving too fast to be true and just came to a long stop at SECDEF. In 55 days we got through every step but the last. Now we are at 91.

LTC (Join to see) - I feel you, 'm at day 105 as of this morning (though I truly am not complaining, this is definitely shorter than in the past). I cant remember if tomorrow is considered a federal holiday, so maybe there will be news tomorrow. If not, next week it'll be.

7 JUN is still the most up to date status

LTC (Join to see) - 7 JUN is still the most current

Hurry up and wait!!!

"On the command to stand still..." "Ready; MOVE"...or not.

*Checked tonight and still no new update

31 MAY: No Update

MAJ, any updates as of late? I'm specifically interested in U06-19. Thank you.

CPT (Join to see) - Wow that's nice, your date of rank is almost a month prior to it showing up on iPerms.

Congratulations to all of us...here's to hoping the issues get resolved so it's not so painful the next time around.

Congrats. Praying P11 follows suit....

Yay for us and best of luck to all the other scrolls lingering..

A couple of things might affect this process.
1. Primarily, NGB has been working with DA to get a lot more of the prescreening done. It was felt this would really help move things along.
2. I dont know exactly when the process "went digital", but that will help as well. I read somewhere on here that it was mid FY17, but not sure.
3. Going digital on TMT also helped improve status reporting. In some cases, it may be that improved reporting just made it seem like things are catching up.
4. Finally, and biggest, as I have said before, this is just normal staffing of documents. NOTHING gets put under the boss's pen or passed to the next office until it has been put under the microscope. The recent article in the NGAUS talked about parallel processes. I dont see that ever happening. There are some, like JAG that might do a little. But fact is, nothing goes to SecArmy until the CSA chops, and nothing goes to the CSA until the VCSA sees it, and nothing goes to VCSA until the Director of the Army Staff approves. Those things will ALWAYS be serial processes, because thats how Staffs work.

Along those lines, in my case (U01-18), I noticed that the above report showed us out of JAG at DMPM. The image says it is as of 1 Mar, but two of the scrolls say "published 2 Mar", so its off a little. Still, it wasnt until 20 Mar that my info on the G1 portal updated to show that. Its expected, not a problem, but one more anecdote about how all the databases operate at different levels of accuracy because of manual updates.

CW5 (Join to see) - In your opinion, which is the longer wait? JAG or DMPM? I am on P04-18 and was very surprised that we were only at OTJAG for around 40 days. I have seen several folks post here that in some cases they have been at OTJAG for 150 days or more. Perhaps they are starting to streamline the process. I have been in for 22 years, prior NCO / WO, so these long waits are discouraging because I am hoping to retire as a LTC and everyday this process drags on makes that less likely.

Is there any correlation between the wait times of Scrolls for O grade officers versus U for Warrant Officers? just curious if it's faster or slower?

CW5 (Join to see) - Chief, do you have any guesses as to why your State hasn't sent you the regular updates they have in the past? Thank you so much for sending out all of this valuable information as often as you have. I'm on P10-17 and it's starting to feel like that YouTube video of the kid after his dentist appointment: "Is it going to be like this forever?"

I expect (hope) we get an update this week. The person that generates the report has been at school for 3 weeks and today is his first day back...

CW5 (Join to see) - Thank you!

Does anyone know if there is a mechanism in place, let's say going from T-32 to T-10 for a deployment that can be leveraged to make my promotion faster? I'm eligible now and I have just switched to T-10 and was wondering if something I can do. I am on a scroll already U04-18 say's on the counter 67 days in yellow, but my packet has been at NGB for 200+ days any ideas? one other question, is it the total days a person's packet has been at NGB that people are counting or what the counter is saying theirs is at that people are commenting on? because if thats the case I'm F--CK if my counter is only showing 67 i got a long way to go based off the current number most people are getting promoted at.

CW2(P) (Verify To See) - I guess the main question is, when or how long will it be until SecDef signs off on the packets once it reaches to SecDec.. Ah man. I am losing out on so much pay because of the delay but fingers crossed chief. Congrats on your promotion!

No updates since 20 October and looks like the person providing them is out of the office until November 4. I wanted to give everyone interested a heads-up so they aren't continuously refreshing this post. lol

LTC (Join to see) - lol thanks for the update. Been refreshing this page every single day for an update since G1 hasn't updated in over 7 days. I'll check back Nov 4-6th for an update.

CW3 (Join to see) - Chief, apologies for what it may seem like a stupid question but how exactly do I receive backpay with this memo? Do I simply attach this memo along with my promotion orders (still waiting on SecDef) to my unit S1 or bring it over to the finance office?

It has been there for awhile, that's for sure.

Any further updates on this list CW2?

Sorry, I haven't seen an update since 13 MAY.

CW3 (Join to see) - Thanks for looking!

Congrats to you all on 05-19!

CW2 B B - The 9 APR update (see previous thread) is the most recent one posted. Normally this is the best/most up to date place I've found

MAJ (Join to see) - I agree, these are the best and most reliable updates I've seen.

Any updates on P13-19 would be appreciated.