Why push something you know, will not work? Democrat admits gun control won't work, pushes it anyway.

2015-09-05T12:34:47-04:00

My spin on this controversial subject:
Gun Control. Is there such a thing? Our forefathers had to use guns to make our country what it is today. Personal gun ownership, in the United States, has been the norm for centuries. There's all kinds of anti slogans and pro slogans about our guns. None of them matter, because we'll always be allowed to own guns. It's written in our Constitution, so get over it Anti Gun Americans. Let's keep America like our Constitution says it should be. We are free to own guns. It's the American way, and I like it just fine. SGT Keith Bodine
Last week’s murder of reporter Alison Parker and cameraman Adam Ward by a psychologically damaged former coworker inspired the nation’s gun grabbers to renew their attack on the Second Amendment. That’s especially true given the killer was a black homosexual, because the Left no longer has a flag to ban — the rainbow flag found in the killer’s apartment is protected. So once again, we’re treated to a whole host of arguments about firearms that have been disproven by facts. But leftists aren’t the type of people who let facts get in the way of their goals.

A recent CNN interview with Democrat Sen.Chris Murphy of Connecticut is a prime example of just how anti-Second Amendment zealots think — though “think” is too generous a word.

http://patriotpost.us/articles/37426

Democrat Admits Gun Control Won't Work, Pushes It Anyway

“I don’t think anything that we’re going to enact is going to stop shootings.”

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Sep 5 at 2015 12:36 PM

2015-09-05T12:36:53-04:00

SGT Private RallyPoint Member I think the democrats need to listen to the NRA and understand their by-laws.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2015 2:54 PM

2015-09-05T14:54:21-04:00

Well, I guess you got to pass it to know what it says.

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made Sep 5 at 2015 3:45 PM

2015-09-05T15:45:31-04:00

I totally agree, it can't be stated simpler enough...guns cannot be controlled. Arms dealing will go on and on its a billion dollar business involving government agencies across the world. I stand very moderate on this issue. I own a gun but I'd give it up in moment if that would prevent violence. But it won't. Because people with bad intentions still have guns and they don't get them because average citizens can buy them. They get them because arms are filtered across our boarders and sold to criminals illegally...and it can't be to hard to find the who and where. So let's make the issue not about gun control but about Arms dealing...how are these guns getting into into our country, our city? How are urban teenagers accessing AK-47's? Guns and urban violence have allot more to do with the failed "War on Drugs" than it does with the 2nd Amendment right. but It will keep being brought up and pushed out there by the media so we don't focus on the real problem.

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made Sep 5 at 2015 4:04 PM

2015-09-05T16:04:21-04:00

http://www.mpm.umd.edu/Gray,%20Young%20&%20Waytz%20-%20MPM.pdf
This is a great paper about mind perception and morality.

Lord of The Flies illustrated this perfectly. The group decides. When people act from a hive mind they likely elevate the psychopath out of fear and those attributes become the dominant governing body of the tribe. When people rise to oppose those beliefs or morals they are marginalized. People intrinsically know the truth but out fear they conform. Theres a great documentary called The Science of Evil that explores how easily the human mind conforms to except or even carry out amoral acts. An amazing mentor once told me, that's what happens when you give power to powerless people. Don't act out fear, when we act out of love it becomes a very different world. Great topic!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2015 7:57 PM

2015-09-05T19:57:07-04:00

Why is the idea of gun control pushed by certain politicians?
Same reason it isn't in any state with a population of hunters:
VOTES

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2015 10:35 PM

2015-09-05T22:35:27-04:00

Gun control is a hot button now and everyone wants to join the bandwagon. Anyone with an iota of common sense knows that gun control would only take guns away from law abiding citizens.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Sep 10 at 2015 1:08 AM

2015-09-10T01:08:51-04:00

There were a few people who tried to take guns. Didn't work out so well!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2015 10:44 AM

2015-09-14T10:44:14-04:00

The more of this debate I observe, the more convinced I am that it's the minority on either side...not the everyday, average American citizen...that's to blame. Don't get me wrong; I don't think Congress needs to pass any law preventing an American from slinging an M-4 over their shoulder to go to Wal-Mart...but common sense should be a "culture" we embrace, not resist. The "grabbers" want to prove a point; that we've "moved beyond" a society of independent individuals and into a controlled "community". Nothing proves them more incorrect than a free, armed American telling all the world that they will stand their ground. On the other side, there are individuals who are frustrated, angry and feeling a need to prove their own point-That there's a line they are willing to stand behind should society try to cross. In my humble opinion, both are creating a dangerous environment for the everyday American who responsibly exercises their rights, and those who feel that a "safe" environment is one where lethal weapons aren't needed on a daily basis.

If I'm "carrying", you won't know it. I don't always carry because there are still a FEW places I feel safe without a weapon-I optimistically hope this remains the case. I fear that if I allowed myself to get into the mindset I had in a true combat zone, it's a real possibility that I'll find myself in "combat" sooner or later. I don't feel the need to wear my power drill to Church just to prove I know how to use it. If there is any real benefit to my training/experience...I don't want the "bad guy" to know it until it's too late for him to prepare to counter. I do respect the fact that I no longer actively serve in an armed profession...and accept the fact that law enforcement officers have training/standards I do not have. I also realize that in that one-in-a-million, unwanted, unpredictable circumstance where I need a weapon...they will be too far away.

The 2nd Amendment clearly speaks to the private citizen's RIGHT to defend themselves...and their nation if required. It wasn't designed as "permission" for official forces because that goes without saying. It's not "antiquated" because we're at higher risk now, more than ever. It does not imply "limits" on which weapons can be owned...a weapon is a weapon. That said, there's a sense that our Founding Fathers gave the average citizen a great amount of trust and respect...and that should be lived up to.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Sep 14 at 2015 1:18 PM

2015-09-14T13:18:06-04:00

SGT Private RallyPoint Member It seems much easier for the left to suggest that guns, mechanical metal creations, are to blame instead of placing the responsibility where it should be, on the people who squeeze the trigger. It will always be easier to target guns than it will be to admit we have a failed mental health system or there are anomalies where bad people get guns and do bad things. Long jail sentences, in jails which are not inhumane, but are not the lap of luxury, where daily physical labor is required, and where treatment is also mandatory with one hour of educational television should be the norm. It is not. Make a jail or prison uncomfortable and make people work while incarcerated. We need roads built and maintained, food needs to be grown, buildings need maintenance, rocks need to be broken, and sand bags need to be filled. Guess what, less people will want to go to jail.

We need prosecutors who prosecute violent criminals with extreme prejudice. We need law enforcement to be told to make the arrests; moreover, the message needs to be sent loud and clear that we trust law enforcement to use force when needed and to use as much as is needed to affect the arrests of violent felons.

Gun control should be avoided at all costs. For the moment our enemies perceive that everyone is not armed in our Republic, is the moment we will see an armed invasion.

Just my opinion.......

Response by Sgt Tom Cunnally made Jun 27 at 2016 3:42 AM

2016-06-27T03:42:46-04:00

Is the question really gun control or due process?? Can the Senator Collins bill be able to write legislation that addresses Constitutional Rights and also keep weapons out of the hands of terrorists. The NRA lobbyists don't think so. There's tons of flack about No Fly having too many flaws and Gun Owners are afraid any guy restriction legislation is the first step in taking away their guns,
The Congress is on another Holiday but will be back on 5 July

And we will see if they take up this issue??? The NRA has some senators in their hip pocket and not sure if Mitch McConnell will even bring Collins Bill up for debate as she is trying to offer an amendment to address Due Process and keep weapons out of the hands of those on the No Fly list that everyone knows has tons of flaws.

I expressed similar ideas and my thoughts on another discussion.

And I got 3 down votes and told to go to North Korea which will welcome me.. So let's see how I do with them here

Response by SSG Terry Cummings made Nov 29 at 2019 3:26 PM

2019-11-29T15:26:20-05:00

keep our legal guns !