Why would I be asked to unsign my NCOER?

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Apr 2025 11:42:56 -0400

I had my former SSG who PCSd early this year ask me to unsign my NCOER. He's not really answering why and I also have some issues with my command so I'm wondering if they're trying to sabotage me in some way. Just wondering a few reasons why I would be asked to unsign it.

Response by SGM Jeff Mccloud made Apr 18 at 2025 12:23 PM

SGM Jeff Mccloud — Fri, 18 Apr 2025 12:23:00 -0400

There’s a long list of reasons why an ncoer would be returned for corrections.
And the signatures need to be removed in reverse order: rated, sr rater, rater.

When you open it in EES, you can click on the details to see why it was kicked back.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2025 3:19 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Apr 2025 15:19:36 -0400

What probably happened is that HQDA kicked it back after their review and found things in error. The errors are reported to the Rater and Senior Rater. As you are the last person to sign prior to submission, you are the first person to UNSIGN in order for corrections to be made.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Apr 21 at 2025 6:35 AM

SSG Robert Perrotto — Mon, 21 Apr 2025 06:35:07 -0400

Could be a few things. Maybe your rater or reviewer wants to make changes, wording, bullets, rating levels, before it’s finalized. Sometimes it’s just admin cleanup, but if they’re being shady or vague, definitely push for answers. Don’t unsign anything until you know exactly why.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2025 11:57 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Apr 2025 11:57:08 -0400

I honestly think HRC kicked it back for administrative technicalities not perfectly aligned with NCOER regulations (already mentioned by others).

I don't think they care enough to sabotage an E5's NCOER. Once an Eval goes up to HRC everyone is crossing fingers that it doesn't get kicked back. Your higher chain of command just wants the EVALS through the system. It's a huge RED FLAG for past due evals to your Field Grade commanders and that stress trickles down to Company level commanders.

If your chain of command wanted to really truly sabotage you they need to line up their ducks PRIOR to the Eval. Anything derogatory NEEDS to be backed up with counselings, regulations, or black and white ACFT/HT failures, or failures in schools, or black and white ART15's or EO investigations, etc....

So if none of that is already lined up then you're going to get a "meets standard" NCOER.

To protect yourself I'd get a copy of the version you signed already, compare it against the new version they want you to resign and if you have issues with it take both copies to the Inspector General BEFORE you sign it.

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Honestly............. I think it's an administrative kick back from HRC.

If they have it out for you and didn't back it up with documentation then HRC is probably going to force them to take the STING out of the verbage.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2025 4:31 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Apr 2025 16:31:55 -0400

This is extremely common, I wouldn't assume anything negative is happening.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2025 4:02 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:02:41 -0400

I keep coming back to this post, and I have to ask....why would you think your Chain is trying to sabotage you?