Will a Field Grade Art 15 (no GOMAR or demotion) stop a NCO from making SFC or reaching retirement?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:38:55 -0500

Offense was breaking curfew in Korea while escorting a drunk Soldier back to base from bar. The NCO was a SGT at the time and now SSG with 10 years of service.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2019 2:49 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:49:59 -0500

If they were a SGT at the time it will not trigger a QMP. If it wasn't reflected in their NCOER the board won't even know about it.

Response by MSG Gary Eaker made Nov 23 at 2019 3:06 PM

MSG Gary Eaker — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:06:03 -0500

There are an awful lot of CSMs who had Article 15s as young Soldiers. I had a couple CSMs tell me that is probably why I never got selected. I know they were kidding, but it just shows how common it is.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2019 3:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:19:25 -0500

No if he was a SGT, he is good to go and doesn't have to worry about QMP. Do you know how his Article 15 was filed? Did it go in His Personal File or was it put in his restricted File? Either way he should be good to overcome the infraction and compete for SFC.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 23 at 2019 4:31 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:31:18 -0500

Doesn't it depend where the GOMAR is filed, local or official file?

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Nov 23 at 2019 4:31 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:31:21 -0500

Wow, the army has really changed a lot if you even have to ask this question. Back when I was in the 82nd, many, or even most NCOs had at least one article 15 somewhere in there past. The no defect army is winnowing out all the rough-n-tough fighting SOBs that we need to win wars.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Nov 23 at 2019 5:59 PM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:59:09 -0500

Each case is different but for the most part (there are some exceptions) it shouldn’t affect his/her promotion potential. If it was a GOMAR, then the story would be different.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2019 6:08 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:08:25 -0500

If there was no GOMAR then I don’t think it would be anywhere in the records when he goes before the board if I am correct.

Response by SGM Billy Herrington made Nov 24 at 2019 12:19 AM

SGM Billy Herrington — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:19:56 -0500

I was a SSG busted to SGT trying to bring an AK home. I made MSG 9 years later.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2019 6:43 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:43:54 -0500

Is this about me...? But if it's not mentioned in his NCOER, it shouldn't. I made this SFC list and that situation happened to me, except I received a Summarized and it was not annotated on my NCOER, although it did affect my overall rating.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Nov 24 at 2019 9:07 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Sun, 24 Nov 2019 21:07:55 -0500

I got a field grade article 15 for striking an NCO when I was a private. I am now a SFC and about to retire. I would say it doesn't really matter as long as you are squared away afterward and seek to continually improve yourself. If you don't put much effort into that, then it might make a difference. I just decided I would be a better soldier and losing my cool was beneath my potential, so I worked my ass off trying to make myself a better soldier and demonstrate I had grown from the experience.

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Nov 25 at 2019 9:47 PM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 21:47:37 -0500

I just have to say, who was the idiot that gave an NCO an article 15 for getting one of his soldiers home?

Response by CW2 Kameron Read made Dec 2 at 2019 10:41 PM

CW2 Kameron Read — Mon, 02 Dec 2019 22:41:18 -0500

Didn’t stop me. I had a field grade article 15 in Korea for violating a pass policy. Was busted down to E5 with everything maxed. 8 months later I got my rank back. I eventually made SFC, CW2 and now retirement. So keep going after it. It’s your career.