Will America commit to a shooting war with Russia if Putin invades the Ukraine over joining NATO?

PFC John Behrman — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:48:15 -0500

We all know Putin's MO on the world stage by now. But what should America do in the likely event that Russia invades Ukraine? Will Biden truly commit to a shooting war with Russia, or will he fall back on a Sanctions only approach to the issue?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2022 11:56 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:56:36 -0500

Putin has already sent troops over the border and Biden has mentioned sanctions only. There will be no war that the US is involved in.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2022 2:03 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:03:48 -0500

It’s unlikely we will commit to any offensive action unless Russia begins moving towards Kyiv

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Feb 22 at 2022 2:05 PM

MCPO Roger Collins — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:05:07 -0500

Ukraine can expect the same security as was provided to Afghanistan. Putin has a full understanding of our current administration’s weakness and will exploit it. Standby for China and Taiwan.

Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Feb 22 at 2022 2:16 PM

Cpl Benjamin Long — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:16:34 -0500

They'll just impose useless sanctions and act like did something.... They know China would use that opportunity to invade taiwan and north Korea would attack South Korea and japan...

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 22 at 2022 2:17 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:17:06 -0500

I do not see it personally.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2022 2:57 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 14:57:33 -0500

I do see more military focus in Europe and maybe even Fulda gap talk.

Response by LTC Eugene Chu made Feb 22 at 2022 3:29 PM

LTC Eugene Chu — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:29:53 -0500

Issue is whether NATO will accept Ukraine. Ukraine previously made multiple attempts to join over the past 20 years, but NATO never formally allowed them based on European politics. We are using sanctions and providing non-combat support based on unofficial partnership status.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18023383?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA#:~:text=Ukraine%20is%20a%20former%20Soviet%20republic%20bordering%20both,from%20Western%20powers%20that%20this%20will%20never%20happen.

Ukraine: What is Nato and why doesn't Russia trust it?

Nato countries are trying to help Ukraine in the face of a possible Russian invasion.

Response by 1SG Russell S. made Feb 22 at 2022 3:41 PM

1SG Russell S. — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:41:45 -0500

This fits Biden welll.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2022 4:34 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:34:32 -0500

It appears that Putin is staging this in a manner that Russia will be invited in. Russia has recognized two areas are independent states which gives them the right and ability to ask for foreign assistance. Like him or hate him but don't discount Putin, he is not stupid.

Response by SSG Robert Vernon made Feb 22 at 2022 4:48 PM

SSG Robert Vernon — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:48:41 -0500

Personally, I feel we have been patient enough w/Putin. Why shouldn't we be ready in case we're needed. I know Russia has the saying "Ruled w/a Iron fist" but remember, Iron will bend when met w/enough force..
I hope it won't come to us sending in Troops, but in the same turn Putin needs to know he won't be able to continue acting like a little child who doesn't get his way

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Feb 22 at 2022 4:54 PM

SPC Steven Depuy — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:54:37 -0500

He already said no troops will go, and pulled out the ones that were there. Pretty obvious its sanctions only, but if troops went in, they should be NATO forces, not US, and they should have been there two months ago, and none of this would be happening.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2022 5:00 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 17:00:44 -0500

If anyone gets us into a shooting war it will probably be Biden trying to show how tough he is. Knowing how long Biden has known about Nord Stream 2, and then let Russia deliver on it, it probably won’t be too long before they have all of Ukraine. I believe President Biden’s mindset is the same as most of our current Progressive Democrats, they believe they can buy their way out of anything. I’m sure Biden believed he was pacifying Russia by giving them Nord Stream 2, he just can’t understand that showing weakness makes the Russians muse what else they can get away with. People like Biden shouldn’t be in a position of responsibility, they will let you down every time.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Feb 22 at 2022 5:07 PM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 17:07:53 -0500

That ice cream licker will go on sanctions that don't matter...he won't go toe to toe with Putin IMHO!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 22 at 2022 6:36 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:36:25 -0500

I don't know because the US and NATO said they will stay out of the war. From what I understand Biden is trying to unite countries against the Russians. He is sharing top secret intelligence with the countries. Biden is using strategic communications for the world. Economic sanctions are starting to be emplaced. We are arming Ukraine with Javelin missiles and other weapons platforms that are not vehicles. It seems a little late to be giving them the missiles.

I think the Russians will roll over Ukraine who does not have much of a conventional army. At best I think they are mostly infantry and freedom fighters.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Feb 22 at 2022 7:25 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:25:47 -0500

POTUS answered both of these this morning loud and clear, no and yes. Which then the Russians heard “green light” loud and clear. Also heard Ukraine is not Part of NATO .

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 22 at 2022 8:06 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:06:55 -0500

Look at the US Principles of War from the Ukranian perspective:

Objective – Direct every military operation toward a clearly defined, decisive and attainable objective. ...

Offensive – Seize, retain, and exploit the initiative. Offensive action is the most effective and decisive way to attain a clearly defined common objective. ...

Mass – Mass the effects of overwhelming combat power at the decisive place and time. ...

Economy of Force – Employ all combat power available in the most effective way possible; allocate minimum essential combat power to secondary efforts. ...

Maneuver – Place the enemy in a position of disadvantage through the flexible application of combat power. ...

Unity of Command – For every objective, seek unity of command and unity of effort. ...

Security – Never permit the enemy to acquire unexpected advantage. Security enhances freedom of action by reducing vulnerability to hostile acts, influence, or surprise. ...

Surprise – Strike the enemy at a time or place or in a manner for which he is unprepared. Surprise can decisively shift the balance of combat power. ...

Simplicity – Prepare clear, uncomplicated plans and concise orders to ensure thorough understanding. Everything in war is very simple, but the simple thing is difficult. ...

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Feb 23 at 2022 11:03 AM

SPC Kevin Ford — Wed, 23 Feb 2022 11:03:44 -0500

It appears Biden has very publicly (and perhaps unwisely) stated we will not get in a shooting war over this. Dispite us promising to protect Ukraine when they gave up their nukes.

I'm sure further sanctions are on the table and perhaps more material support, but I think that's about it.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Feb 23 at 2022 1:29 PM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Wed, 23 Feb 2022 13:29:42 -0500

Russia has already invade the Ukraine. Twice. But they are doing it slowly. Putin is not an idiot. He realizes that no one wants s to go to real war, so he can take bite-size chunks out but by bit, pause to digest, and then take another bite or two. He knows that taking an ENTIRE country would be too much for world leaders to accept, so he is just taking parts.

I expect this to continue off and on until such time as the US and/or NATO start signaling more than just sanctions.

He annexed Crimea. Then he paused and waited. After a sufficient time for the world to more or less forget that Crimea belongs to Ukraine and accept the status quo, he began preparing for his next move.

He has now occupied Luhansk and Donetsk, and unilaterally declared them independent of the Ukraine. He will solidify his hold on these two regions, fortify them with Russian troops, and eventually "invite" them to join Russia, annexing those regions, as well. Then he will wait a few years, and take his next bite. The only consolation is that Putin is 69. He will likely die before he can finish the job.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 23 at 2022 5:49 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 23 Feb 2022 17:49:33 -0500

I don't think we know what Putin's imperial designs are.

Response by SSG Jim Whitt made Feb 23 at 2022 6:11 PM

SSG Jim Whitt — Wed, 23 Feb 2022 18:11:33 -0500

Many people tend to forget past historical events such as the "Minsk Accord" wich ended the unrest in the Dombas region of Ukraine. Russia was helping to enforce the two regions of the Minsk agreement. We have been told to look how evil Russia is and there intent but it has been clearly stating a one sided narrative.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 23 at 2022 8:04 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:04:41 -0500

It was stupid for the US and NATO for saying they won't fight in Ukraine. This weakened the West's negotiating strength.

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Feb 23 at 2022 8:49 PM

SP5 Dennis Loberger — Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:49:50 -0500

What I love about politics. If he does, he is trying to appear tough.....if he doesn't, it is because he is weak.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 23 at 2022 9:39 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:39:21 -0500

This is the sequence of events as I know it.
- Putin: We want to protect the separatists in Donbas region. Putin claims Ukraine is committing violence against the separatists.
- US and NATO claims they will not get involved with the war. This reduced our negotiating power.
- US and I think some NATO countries are deployed, but it appears to me they are airborne units which are light, in adjacent countries to Ukraine.
- The Ukranian troop strength and vehicles are much less than Russia's.
- Ukraine has a fraction of military power. The media is saying we are arming them now. If true, it is a hell of a time to endeavor in that.
- From the Principles of War Ukraine will have these problems:
o Knowing the objective.
o Massing troops.
o Maneuver.
o Security.
- Biden said Russia's invasion would be met by swift retaliation.

In summary I believe the US and NATO troops are in adjacent countries looking inward to Ukraine. Their strength is paltry compared to Russian forces and the Ukranian military is composed of mostly infantry. Ukraine better learn how to fight a large conventional force.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2022 4:31 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 04:31:39 -0500

Poland will be the test not Ukraine.....

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Feb 24 at 2022 4:58 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:58:19 -0500

Reality check here. Ukraine has been a NATO "Partner" for some time. Geopolitically, it will never be a Member until there are long term changes in Russia to the extent that Russia won't care. Don't hold your breath. People forget that NATO wasn't formed to offset the USSR. NATO was pushed by the Sergeants of WWI who became the Generals of WW2. Europe had up to 1916 been going at each other's throat every 75 years since the 1300s. Now we saw them at it 20 years later in WW2. The idea was if you could get England, Germany, and France to protect each other, then maybe you could break the cycle. It was many years before Germany was allowed to have the head of NATO be one of theirs. So NATO was pretty much sorted out and the USSR essentially made it a stop talking and do it now thing. We have little strategic or commercial interest in the Ukraine. It's not worth going to war over. Putin wants to create the old Soviet buffer of proxy states. Putin has had over seven years to prepare end arounds for sanctions. The US and British sanctions only apply to a limited range of banking institutions. You'd have to get the G-10 approval to block access to the Swiss banks on down. I don't see that germinating yet. Strict port control and internet isolation would get Putin's attention more. Regardless, this will get much messier before it gets better. Only sure winning tactic is to get the Russian people to turn on Putin. That will require widespread suffering on their part to get to that point. So far, neither the US or NATO has implemented much that will achieve that objective in the near term.

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Feb 24 at 2022 8:33 PM

SGT Donald Croswhite — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 20:33:24 -0500

I hope not. The gall of this administration to commit triyps to anywhere, after they completely FUBARed Afghanistan is astounding.
Who cares, Russia is corrupt, Ukraine is corrupt. They only reason Biden wants in, is because Ukraine is his sugar-daddy.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2022 10:05 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:05:58 -0500

The GOP sure does love their Pootin. I can only imagine how worse this would be if trump was in charge.

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Feb 26 at 2022 10:41 AM

MSG Stan Hutchison — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:41:28 -0500

I see this thread has evolved into another attempt to smear POTUS and not actually discuss the situation.

Response by CSM Thomas Ray made Feb 26 at 2022 12:50 PM

CSM Thomas Ray — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 12:50:02 -0500

Ukraine had a force of 1500 troops committed to the Iraq war, I had the pleasure of serving with some in 2003 while a member of Task Force Gator.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2022 2:38 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:38:00 -0500

So who sponsored this question. Sponsored threads should have the name of the sponsor.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Feb 26 at 2022 2:57 PM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:57:20 -0500

The NATO thing is BS from Putin. Ukraine is a long way from meeting the qualifications of becoming a NATO member. If having a NATO member on his border was really a concern Putin should have invaded Finland which is only not a member because it doesn't want to be. It's qualified to join and may actually decide it wants to now.

Response by CPL LaForest Gray made Feb 26 at 2022 3:47 PM

CPL LaForest Gray — Sat, 26 Feb 2022 15:47:52 -0500

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Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Feb 27 at 2022 12:44 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 00:44:10 -0500

My assumptions tell me we will arm them and watch from the outside looking in. They have no chance without our Javelin and Stinger missiles. I am afraid Ukraine will fight Russia alone as the world watches.

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Feb 27 at 2022 10:06 AM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:06:52 -0500

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Feb 27 at 2022 11:08 AM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 11:08:48 -0500

We would be fools if we did

Response by Sgt Fredric Garms made Feb 27 at 2022 11:38 AM

Sgt Fredric Garms — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 11:38:54 -0500

If we couldn’t win a WAR in Afghanistan, how the f:?$ are we supposed to fight Russia. These fat little civilian hogs in this country are in no way as patriotic as I was when I joined the Marines in the early 70’s. When you have to get permission to fire on a target from 20 different A-holes, you have already lost the WAR. We don’t have the GUTS it takes to win WARS anymore. It’s PATHETIC!

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Feb 27 at 2022 12:04 PM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 12:04:04 -0500

I highly doubt he will be put off by any sanctions. It's pretty obvious there's something about Ukraine that he wants and therefore, invaded. I can't imagine him being hesitant about invading anywhere.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Feb 27 at 2022 3:41 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 15:41:21 -0500

The only way the U.S. goes into a shooting war with Russia over Ukraine is if the other NATO countries are attacked by Russia.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Feb 27 at 2022 3:47 PM

SPC Erich Guenther — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 15:47:42 -0500

We have no choice if we or NATO are attacked and with NATO members feeding Ukraine with weapons it is no longer an IF Putin will attack but when. Remember the Nazi reaction to lend / lease. They were itching for a reason to go to war over that and finally did.

Response by LTC Joe Anderson made Feb 27 at 2022 7:44 PM

LTC Joe Anderson — Sun, 27 Feb 2022 19:44:43 -0500

Nobody loves Putin. When someone injects talking points such as these into a discussion on how to handle Putin's disgraceful actions in the Ukrainians; its shows just how ignorant they are, shows they have nothing of value to add to the topic, and shows that they know nothing of Strategic Planning or Foreign Policy. But then should we expect more from the usual Mental Midgets who try and politicize every debate on here? Additionally now that Putin has invaded the Ukraine this topic has evolved. We missed our time for diplomacy and sanctions. At this point our actions are just political and media fist shaking with no teeth since India, China... don't support the sanctions and the rest of the world including us are buying Russian Oil (The US alone buys over 500 Million barrels a day). It's as affective as baring Russia from the Olympics. Yet EVERY 4 years Russia participates through the Russian Olympic Committee. The world is finance Putin aggression in the Ukraine every time a country buys oil from Russia.

In 1991, the Ukraine inherited the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal as a result of the collapse of the Soviet Union. By mid-1996, all nuclear munitions had been transferred from Ukraine to Russia for dismantlement, and by 2001, all launch silos were decommissioned. Which leads many Americans to ask the question, should we be involve in the Ukraine? Simply put, Yes. Whether we like it or not, agree or not, we are bound to assists in the Ukrainian Defense when attacked by a Nuclear Power per the language in the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons Treaty signed by the US and the Ukraine on December 1994. Unfortunately, since we didn't make the Ukraine a "Hard Target" in the years since 1994, 1996, and 2001... We left them vulnerable to attack from Russia. Leaving us no real solution other than sending defensive weapons to the Ukraine as they attempt to defend themselves (which maybe to little to late) and a lot of political "Fist shaking" and "Saber Rattling." If we look at the years since the Treaty was signed this is not/has not been a Republican or Democratic issues BOTH PARTIES have ignored the Ukraine since 1994. Had we provided proper military capabilities and combat arms support over the years the Ukraine would have been in a better position to defend itself which it's struggling to do right now. Additionally had we made the Ukraine a "Hard Target" in the years since 1994 it may have deterred Putin from invading. We should stop politicizing this argument and look at it for what it is, a Military, Strategic, Operational and Political failure by us as a whole. Not by just one parties failure. The success of this administration in stopping Putin's aggression is yet to be determined. Hopefully the Ukrainians can prevail on their own. The next few days will be telling.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Mar 1 at 2022 2:59 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 14:59:03 -0500

Meanwhile ...

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 1 at 2022 3:47 PM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 15:47:05 -0500

All the pontification in the world does not justify Putins angry. Bottom line is he will go until someone stops him. He saw the weakness in Biden and NATO and took advantage of the situation to attempt a reunification of all that was the Soviet Union at one time. The world either works to stop him or become his Bitch.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Mar 2 at 2022 4:59 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 16:59:24 -0500

There have been comparisons done between Ukraine, Afghanistan, and Taiwan. To be truthful, each one is different. With that said, there are also a number of similarities. I have not seen anybody draw a parallel between Ukraine and Korea, or Kuwait. There are similarities to those situations, as well.

There are a lot of people who say that Putin has "put his foot into it" and with good reason. Your military move can be considered a blunder if you are criticized for it even by Switzerland.

Some option might exit, here. One: Emergency entry into the EU. Two: Emergency entry into NATO. That should give Putin pause. Three: International Peacekeeping forces from the UN (the UN has already condemned Russia's actions).

The best action by the US would be to do what we do best: The US should use its enormous industrial power to supply Ukraine. (Kind of like a Berlin Airlift, only bigger...and, yes, we can). The Ukrainian people are proving to be quite plucky and determined. US support could tip the balance.

Three things that can be seen from space: China's Great Wall. Egypt's Great Pyramids. Volodymyr Zelensky's balls.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Mar 7 at 2022 4:21 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 16:21:33 -0500

I sense there exists massive outrage at Russian for committing total war in Ukraine. There is a difference between trying to defeat an opposing military to genocide. The trend now is to help Ukraine with financial and weapons transfers.

Here is a simple paradigm Carl Von Clausewitz opined in regarding war. He said it takes a good leader, passionate people, and a strong military. This paradigm is going international now except for our committing to war.

Response by MSG Greg Kelly made Mar 7 at 2022 4:37 PM

MSG Greg Kelly — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 16:37:51 -0500

Biden left millions in equipment and thousands of Americans in Afghanistan. He only sent anything overseas to help the Ukraine because he was shamed into it. So, he sent what a Brigade to each Baltic state. Do not think for a second that if Putin goes after those states Biden will 1 withdraw Americans in shame or 2 let those Brigades die. And say see we did our best and we sent our best. Look what Putin has done we must negotiate for peace. This has nothing to do with Ukraine getting into NATO or not this is about everyone in Europe and Washington DC is terrified of Putin the Russians and his Chinese buddies. So they can do what they want.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 9 at 2022 11:14 AM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Wed, 09 Mar 2022 11:14:45 -0500

BLUF: Putin has threatened nuke escalation which froze Biden and NATO in their tracks. Now Putin has confirmed he can control NATO and Biden response. Putin has escalated his destruction targeting civilian populations, apartments, schools, hospitals, civilian routes out of the combat zones, nuclear power plants, etc. Putin is dedicated to the destruction of Ukraine. He is escalating toward use of tactical nukes. He knows the west will not respond in kind. After he destroys ukrain he will continue west threatening strategic nuclear response if the west resists. Bombs and bullets may not be landing in NATO countries but that doesn’t mean Putin is not in a shooting war with the west. Biden and NATO have given Putin the opportunity to build the Momentum to move west. We have three branches of government to maintain a checks and balance. It’s time to expose the power of the legislative branch to counter the failure of the executive branch. Biden is the best ally Putin and Russia have in the west.

Response by A1C Diane Phillips made Mar 12 at 2022 10:32 AM

A1C Diane Phillips — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 10:32:28 -0500

Biden before he gets out is going to do lots of things and in my opinion he had this all planned out in advance and he likes the way it's going! Their whole goal is one world order!

Response by SGT Steven Wade made Mar 18 at 2022 3:42 PM

SGT Steven Wade — Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:42:45 -0400

Ukraine can handle its own they aren't weak like we are here they just need the weapons and ammo, and men, women, old ladies bugs they all will fight Putin even Putin's own army will fight him china won't do much to help either.

Response by SGT Steven Wade made Mar 19 at 2022 12:02 AM

SGT Steven Wade — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 00:02:19 -0400

trust me my partner being a ukraine woman putin fkd up

Response by PFC John Behrman made Mar 22 at 2022 10:55 AM

PFC John Behrman — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:55:10 -0400

So the dynamics of the situation in the Ukraine has changed drastically since I originally posed this question. Russia has now fully committed its troops into a all out shooting war with the Ukraine. Despite what Putin claims, this is a war.

There has also been great violations of the Geneva Convention against use of deadly force on the civilian population and has also threatened the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction against the Ukrainian people as well as any nation who gets directly involved.

I understand the position our CIC has placed us in by showing his hand to the world in regards to not committing troops to aid the people of Ukraine which has indeed weakened our position to attempt to put a end to the wholesale slaughter and exodus taking place.

I do not believe that the use of sanctions against the nation of Russia will have any type of a deterring effect against Putin solely because there is, without a doubt, more money and supplies stashed away then the US or any other nation knows about. I think the only way that we will truly get Putin to the negotiations table is if we implement a simular tactic that we used against Cuba over the Cuban Missle Crises. A full and complete trade imbargo of all goods and services coming out and going into Russia.

Of course China and North Korea will never abide by such a drastic embargo, so they will continue to do business with Putin. BUT, the drop in revenue coming from NATO and UN countries will make his wallet run for cover.

I am curious though if we have forgotten the lessons that we learned from dealing with Germany in WWII? Hitler invades one country then promises that is as far as he will go. Then invades another country.. so on and so on till the world sits up and says enough is enough. Putin seems to be taking a page right out of Hitler play book and following his bloody example. So will America once again just sit back and watch as Europe burns until someone drops a bunch of bombs on the Pacific Fleet again forcing us into this conflict? I don't think even that would be enough.

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 22 at 2022 11:07 AM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:07:29 -0400

Under Biden, America will stand down as Putin destroys Ukraine even if he uses chem/bio or nuclear weapons. Additionally Putin already has a threshold at which he is going to use bio/chem and tact nuke and he is approaching it quickly.

Response by Capt Rich Buckley made Mar 24 at 2022 9:48 AM

Capt Rich Buckley — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:48:54 -0400

The US is on the wrong side of the Ukrainian conflict. The White Hats in the US military and Putin are fighting the same enemy, the ancient Khazarian-Mafia [KM] headquartered in Ukraine. Even our puppet US President is controlled by the [KM]. I flew 120 combat missions as a US Marine F4B pilot stationed in Vietnam out of DaNang back in 1965-66, even I was controlled by the [KM] at one point in life. We put on our patriot hat, pick a weapon and go fight it out….exactly what the [KM] plans. It’s just good business for them.

Well fxx@ them, the narrative is changing and the rug is being pulled out from under their feet by the US Military White Hats.

Here was [KM] next battle plan….the false flag of false flags. Start using chemical weapons in Ukraine and blame it on the Russians… thanks to Victoria Nuland, intel-strategies got through to controlled puppet Zelenskyy. Our captured Congress will try to make it unthinkable to not join the fight and start WW3. Follow the money, neocons want WW3. War is the diversion. They can no longer hide their stealing of our wealth in repeated cycles since 1913 as a dying debt-dollar hyper-inflates. We’ve broke loose from their control twice before in the US, we will do it again. Last time it took the resolute Gen. Andrew Jackson to break us free in 1837 bank panic.

How corrupt is the [KM]? They are the epicenter of evil on Earth. They lie about everything…everything! They are the worst of the worst of the 1930s Nazis. Ignore the showers, we need to sanitize you. There are headquarters in Ukraine of every big Pharma company in the criminal enterprise of slow killing a large swath of the global population with the jab. Last count: 26 bio-labs in Ukraine alone. They own and control the privately owned failing Federal Reserve Bank and it’s infamous debt currency. They own and control all mainstream media companies. They have captured the US Congress. They function and maintain control of us by Murder, Blackmail, and Bribery (usually in reverse order). They traffic humans including children; they operate numerous underground child traffic and terror centers globally; ever hear of adrenachrome? They read your ego and figure out how to control you. POTUS by money and touching, Fauci by power and money, big business by bribery, blackmail, and murder, armies and civilians by a sense of patriotism run off emotion. Get your head out of your a%% and start looking at the evidence. Scott Ritter was right! Remember how lame and unpatriotic US Marine Col. Scott was made to appear as a UN Weapons Inspector? When they can do that to a person of integrity, starting WW3 is old hat for them.

War is the neocons’ profitable diversion, a failing Federal Reserve and its infamous debt currency can no longer hide the runaway inflation. That failure is what they desperately seek to hide. War is their ginned up, phony diversion. Follow the money!

So how does one keep the Christ love energy flowing in one’s life? Is a warrior entitled to find that flow? That’s your problem, warrior. If you do not deal with it, you will pay a price often in many ways that makes dying on the battle field a sought after escape. Finding humble compassion for the plight of your worst enemy can be a start to inner peace. What many discover is the universe mirrors back exactly what you project into it. Run your life off hate and fear and die afraid. Run your life off some concept of humility, compassion, love, and harmony, and a magic takes over your perspectives. Do that with inner forgiveness for your enemy and find redemption. A new world opens before you. But that’s your karmic problem and your choice.

Response by Capt Rich Buckley made Mar 24 at 2022 9:52 AM

Capt Rich Buckley — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:52:49 -0400

The US is on the wrong side of the Ukrainian conflict. The White Hats in the US military and Putin are fighting the same enemy, the ancient Khazarian-Mafia [KM] headquartered in Ukraine. Even our puppet US President is controlled by the [KM]. I flew 120 combat missions as a US Marine F4B pilot stationed in Vietnam out of DaNang back in 1965-66, even I was controlled by the [KM] at one point in life. We put on our patriot hat, pick a weapon and go fight it out….exactly what the [KM] plans. It’s just good business for them.

Well fxx@ them, the narrative is changing and the rug is being pulled out from under their feet by the US Military White Hats.

Here was [KM] next battle plan….the false flag of false flags. Start using chemical weapons in Ukraine and blame it on the Russians… thanks to neocon Victoria Nuland, intel-strategies got through to controlled puppet Zelenskyy. Our captured Congress will try to make it unthinkable to not join the fight and start WW3. Follow the money, neocons want WW3. War is the diversion. They can no longer hide their stealing of our wealth in repeated cycles since 1913 as a dying debt-dollar hyper-inflates. We’ve broke loose from their control twice before in the US, we will do it again. Last time it took the resolute Gen. Andrew Jackson to break us free in 1837 bank panic.

How corrupt is the [KM]? They are the epicenter of evil on Earth. They are the worst of the worst of the 1930s Nazis. There are headquarters in Ukraine of every big Pharma company in the criminal enterprise of slow killing 1/3d of the global population with the jab. They own and control the privately owned failing Federal Reserve Bank and it’s debt currency. They own and control all mainstream media companies. They have captured the US Congress. They function and maintain control of us by Murder, Blackmail, and Bribery (usually in reverse order). They traffic humans and children; they operate numerous underground child traffic and terror centers globally; ever hear of adrenachrome? They read your ego and figure out how to control you. POTUS by money, Fauci by power and money, big business by bribery, blackmail, and murder. Get your head out of your a%% and start looking at the evidence. Scott Ritter was right! Remember how lame and unpatriotic US Marine Col. Scott Ritter was made to appear as a UN Weapons Inspector? https://youtu.be/OSkpIq3T-Zc When they can do that to a person of integrity, starting WW 3 is old hat for them.

War is the neocons’ profitable diversion, a failing Federal Reserve and its infamous debt currency can no longer hide the runaway inflation. That failure is what they desperately seek to hide. War is their ginned up, phony diversion. Follow the money!

So how does one keep the Christ love energy flowing in one’s life? Is a warrior entitled to find that flow? That’s your problem, warrior. If you do not deal with it, you will pay a price often in many ways that makes dying on the battle field a sought after escape. Finding humble compassion for the plight of your worst enemy can be a start to inner peace. What many discover is the universe mirrors back exactly what you project into it. Run your life off hate and fear and die afraid. Run your life off some concept of humility, compassion, love, and harmony, and a magic takes over your perspectives. Do that with inner forgiveness for your enemy and find redemption. A new world opens before you. But that’s your karmic problem and your choice.

OSkpIq3T-Zc

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 20 at 2022 3:24 PM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 15:24:22 -0400

It doesn’t matter what America wants to do. Putin’s actions dictate NATO and Biden decisions. I said it before Putin will use tact Nukes and NATO and Biden will shit themselves. Putin is all in and has not intentions of backing off of Ukrain. He doesn’t want the Ukrainians he wants the old Soviet Union reestablished. Mark my words Bio/chem weapons then tact nukes.

Response by SSG James Knopp made May 22 at 2022 10:33 PM

SSG James Knopp — Sun, 22 May 2022 22:33:04 -0400

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First I think Putin is a “Punk” that should have his nose bloodied. He thinks he can just take over border countries without consequences. When it gets down to where the rubber meets the road he will think twice about using the nukes and I personally think his leadership would stop him in his tracks.
Although Russia has not revealed its latest war machines due to either their lack of numbers or hyped up propaganda, we would of slaughtered their military due to the apparent lack of war planning and training. Those long convoys would of been another “turkey shoot” for our A-10s.
Regardless of how Putin is decimating Ukraine, I also believe they will push Russia out of Ukraine completely and continue sending body bags to Putin.

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made May 28 at 2022 11:17 AM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Sat, 28 May 2022 11:17:32 -0400

I don’t know when this question was posted. The conflict that Russia has started has opened up a real running sore with all of the FORMER SOVIET REPUBLICS (FSR) that are now members of NATO.

The Biden Administration and Congress are reacting to events…not leading in any sense of the word. The people who are spending money like drunken sailors on a Liberty Call in Olongapo are focused on the most disgusting and dangerous social engineering goals that is resulting low moral, suicides and desertions.

The FRUIT LOOP MILITARY that is being created will self correct over time. This is the problem for the United States. In Europe, the memories and experiences of the FSR members of NATO will carry their own fight all the way to Moscow on their own because everyone over the age of 50 remembers the secret police, consumer good shortages and political domination of the Russians from 1920 to until 1991.

No one is going “backwards” to allow Russia any kind of dominant political, economic or military influence over countries that have been COMMUNIST FREE for over 30 years.

The United States is just spending money. The NATO countries bordering Russia and Ukraine are going to wage low intensity warfare until the Russian economy collapses.

Response by PO1 Robert Gasser made May 31 at 2022 8:35 PM

PO1 Robert Gasser — Tue, 31 May 2022 20:35:42 -0400

Biden won’t even commit to going to our southern border nor produce baby formula. Only thing he’s committed to is destroying America and it’s citizens.

Response by LtCol Michael Lathrop made Jun 3 at 2022 2:13 AM

LtCol Michael Lathrop — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 02:13:42 -0400

Wait...I thought he (Putin) already invaded Ukraine...and yes if required, I believe we will uphold our end of the bargain and defend NATO.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2022 4:24 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 16:24:09 -0400

Well here we are 100 days in. Big issue now is the food that Ukraine produces and the fact the Russians have it bottled up and add to that the US wheat crop has suffered cutting production.

Its not beyond the possible scope that NATO or the US will not intervene to ensure that grain shipments from UKRAINE will return to normal.

Response by Cpl Robbie Stommel made Jun 3 at 2022 6:40 PM

Cpl Robbie Stommel — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 18:40:40 -0400

We need to take Russia down! Putin is insane and I am disgusted that NATO is not doing more to help Ukraine . Biden’s weakness and His stupidity has cost Veterans lives . His actions in Afghanistan confirms he is the worst president in my lifetime

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2022 5:44 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:44:34 -0400

At least Biden is not as weak on Putin as Trump was. Thank God Trump is no longer President. We no longer have an anti-American unpatriotic anti-constitutional corrupt incompetent lying POS RINO cowardly traitor STUPID wannabe communist dictator riot-inciting insurrectionist security risk narcissist foolish election LOSER KKKing of Bankruptcy sell-out bitch of Putin's and failed New York businessman pussy in the White house!

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Jun 4 at 2022 11:20 AM

SMSgt Sheila Berg — Sat, 04 Jun 2022 11:20:53 -0400

Sadly, we are being "slow walked" to armed conflict. Since the Afghan "pull out" it well be no surprise if the trigger is pulled.

Response by SSG Archie Roberts made Jun 7 at 2022 1:24 PM

SSG Archie Roberts — Tue, 07 Jun 2022 13:24:51 -0400

Typical comment considering the republicans tried to overthrow the US government along with trump and his crew of inept congressmen. When was the last time a republican president either decreased the deficit or added jobs or created hope for any American except the wealthy or the white supremist, even the uneducated people don’t know their lives aren’t better. Before you wreck your brain, it was Roosevelt. Otherwise democrats that follow republicans have to clean up the mess they make and re establish Allies and other countries relationships with us, reduce deficit and create opportunities for those other than people tearing the system apart and creating division. Read something credible.

Response by SrA Marc Haynes made Jun 8 at 2022 1:01 PM

SrA Marc Haynes — Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:01:36 -0400

I believe that since, we as a NATO member, should rely on NATO to protect its members.
The U.S. can’t financially afford to fund any direct actions against Russia. Our current top impotent military leadership is also not qualified to run such actions!

Response by SrA Marc Haynes made Jun 8 at 2022 1:03 PM

SrA Marc Haynes — Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:03:00 -0400

Hey can we send Hunter first! He has “military” experience!

Response by SrA Marc Haynes made Jun 8 at 2022 2:01 PM

SrA Marc Haynes — Wed, 08 Jun 2022 14:01:56 -0400

I think CNN, CBS, NBC, etc should run story with a shirtless Biden on top of a donkey stating how strong & forceful he has been in response against Putin’s invasion of Ukraine!

Response by Sgt William Grau made Jun 8 at 2022 8:36 PM

Sgt William Grau — Wed, 08 Jun 2022 20:36:38 -0400

Sleepy joe will not shoot at Russia. He's too deep into their pockets.