Will having tested positive for marijuana affect my contract?

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:01:39 -0500

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 3:13 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:13:08 -0500

Bad sign.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Nov 13 at 2016 3:40 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:40:59 -0500

Why would you do so something STUPID?
You now have or had a chance for greatness.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 3:58 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:58:44 -0500

I am going out on a limb and say yes.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 4:36 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 16:36:05 -0500

PVT Private RallyPoint Member We all make mistakes, with some mistakes having costly consequences as you know. Learning from your mistakes will help set you on the right path. Good luck.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 6:23 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:23:56 -0500

I'd say depending on where you are and whose checking is gonna have a big influence on it. Either way it's probably not gonna be good..

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 6:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:32:24 -0500

Really dude.....

Response by LTC Joseph Gross made Nov 13 at 2016 6:51 PM

LTC Joseph Gross — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 18:51:54 -0500

Yes. And we don't want you. We expect higher standards from our Soldiers not lower standards. Everyone always has a good excuse why they came up hot.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 7:23 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 19:23:44 -0500

Let me get this straight.....you are signing up to be Infantry..........you KNOW that the Army drug tests people.......and you decided to smoke a bowl? Could you be any more dumb than what you did right there? Honestly, if I were your recruiter, I would take your contract.....send it thru the shredder then set it on fire then dip the ashes in acid and then disavow you ever walked into my station.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 8:18 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 20:18:01 -0500

, yes you will be in deep trouble from what I knew in the past if you were a specialist and below and not a junior NCO you may go to drug rehab if you are 5 and above you were kicked out and being at the Army or the military is cutting back they don't give you any chances so that's what ncos have told me.

Response by PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson made Nov 13 at 2016 9:15 PM

PO3 Christopher Jonah Nelson — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:15:20 -0500

One positive is enough to completely disqualify you from quite a lot of jobs. If you had been eligible for a security clearance, you may have lost that possibility. You may have lost opportunities to advance, assuming you ever do pass the DEP stage, meaning you might HYT before you make E4. In my rate (MOS in Army terms) if you have a single positive -ever- while you're active or reserve you're revocated and lose your operational license -permanently- in both the military and civilian department, and if you're not just given a BCD you're likely to be switched to a rate with no clearance like gunner's mate, and even that rate requires that you have a clearance to get past certain ranks.

TLDR: You may be hosed. 100%

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 13 at 2016 10:42 PM

SPC Phil Norton — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:42:09 -0500

Yes I know they asked you about drug use before you ever made it to the piss test. I hope for your sake you didn't lie on those federal forms you filled out and signed. You should check out the max penalty for perjuring yourself. If you told the truth about smoking that crap. It will go before a board that will decide if you deserve a chance. But if you pissed hot I think you're screwed just having alcohol on your breath at MEPS is an automatic disqualifier. Get right or stay out

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 11:44 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:44:43 -0500

I'm going to need more information than that to answer this question. When did you test positive? What contract do you have? Did you disclose that you smoke to your recruiter?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 12:17 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:17:26 -0500

Johnny got popped on a urinalysis.
Johnny thought he was one in a million.
Urine sample made him a Civilian.

There's still a chance you can get it, there will be hurdles. However once you're in you are subject to UCMJ and Article 112a isn't pretty. If you want this make it happen.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Nov 14 at 2016 2:14 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 02:14:24 -0500

So you are not actually a Private, you're a DEP? Did you come up hot and get bounced out the MEPS? I'm surprised your recruiter didn't just drop you.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 7:01 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:01:57 -0500

When you walked into that recruiters office you were making a decision to change your life for the better. You wanted to be part of a tiny percentage of people who have willingly answered the call to serve.
When you smoked that blunt you weren't thinking about all of that. Change your mindset. You are about to be a United States Soldier. You are going to be the best the country has to offer. You are going to grab life by the horns and tell it what you want from it.

Side note: I would suggest going active duty. You don't need the chance to mess up again by going Reserve and being home around bad influences. Take the chance and go all out.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 8:13 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:13:14 -0500

Heck yes it will. It will end your contract. Military has a zero tolerance for drug use; even though some states have legalized it, you're at the hands of the US government.

Best of luck to you.

Response by SGT Patrick Reno made Nov 14 at 2016 12:15 PM

SGT Patrick Reno — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:15:14 -0500

REALLY, do you think smoking dope is a good thing for your chances in the military.

Response by MSgt John Taylor made Nov 14 at 2016 4:20 PM

MSgt John Taylor — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:20:44 -0500

Yes, see ya, don't want to be ya!

Response by SFC Anthony Shaffer made Nov 14 at 2016 4:42 PM

SFC Anthony Shaffer — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:42:01 -0500

Did you test positive at your recruitment office or at MEPS?

Response by CPL Anthony Slaughter made Nov 14 at 2016 5:16 PM

CPL Anthony Slaughter — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:16:45 -0500

I ran into this a hundred times when I was in USAREC, and honestly you're lucky that your Recruiter didn't just drop you from the records. When you get drug tested at the station, the results go up the chain of command, and your Recruiter probably had a really bad day, explaining himself to the BC, since he will be the one that gets blamed for it. I know this from experience, because I was once that Recruiter that had to stand on the carpet and go through that nightmare. So the first thing you need to do is apologize to him, and then think real long and hard what you're going to do from here on out.

Response by CAPT Dave Woodard made Nov 14 at 2016 6:53 PM

CAPT Dave Woodard — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:53:11 -0500

If you are asking the question, you probably already know the answer. An exceedingly stupid move on your part. There is no excuse for what you did, and if you were in my command, you probably would wish you weren't.

Response by SFC Garry Kolberg made Nov 14 at 2016 7:15 PM

SFC Garry Kolberg — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 19:15:14 -0500

Was this the first and only time? How many times had you done it before? Would you trust you after what you did? Would you expect others to trust you when you can't follow the rules? You may be given another chance but-------!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 7:23 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 19:23:14 -0500

Well the US military has a zero tolerance policy regarding drug use. Need I say more?

Response by MSgt Billy McDonough made Nov 14 at 2016 8:30 PM

MSgt Billy McDonough — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 20:30:50 -0500

Not to be mean or anything but, how are you even on this site? I thought it was only active duty or vets....

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 10:32 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:32:43 -0500

I use to tell my airmen on day one. You drink, I'll come get you. You drink and drive, I come get you out of jail and MAYBE go to bat for you. You do drugs, I DON'T know you. I will however escort you to the gate and send you on your way.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 1:37 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 01:37:49 -0500

Unfortunately, this is the problem with this younger generation. Nobody thinks of consequences BEFORE their actions. Then afterwards, it sinks in that oh man I did something wrong, now people need to give me another chance. How about thinking about consequences of our actions actually before we do them. I wish you luck in your future, I just do not want my son (who is active duty) or I to serve in the same unit as you. My time is more valuable to spend with the Soldiers that make good choices. Unfortunately it is mostly spent with Soldiers like yourself.

Response by LT Michael Scott made Nov 15 at 2016 6:28 AM

LT Michael Scott — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:28:53 -0500

Yes and maybe charges

Response by LT Michael Scott made Nov 15 at 2016 6:29 AM

LT Michael Scott — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:29:24 -0500

Not a good prognosis

Response by SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder made Nov 15 at 2016 6:56 AM

SGT Matthew Schenkenfelder — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:56:55 -0500

Yes. You'll be chaptered out of the army. I was a chapter escort for about 3 months at one time. I chaptered a soldier out just for having spice in his car.

Response by PO1 Tracy Dreyer made Nov 15 at 2016 7:14 AM

PO1 Tracy Dreyer — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:14:18 -0500

You are kidding right?

Response by PO1 Pete Sikes made Nov 15 at 2016 7:37 AM

PO1 Pete Sikes — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:37:14 -0500

Yes, you went from good guy to criminal in one puff....

Response by SFC Henry Moreland made Nov 15 at 2016 7:57 AM

SFC Henry Moreland — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:57:25 -0500

If you are in DEP, talk to your recruiter.

Response by CAPT Hiram Patterson made Nov 15 at 2016 8:24 AM

CAPT Hiram Patterson — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 08:24:07 -0500

You are toast!

Response by 1stSgt David Welch made Nov 15 at 2016 9:00 AM

1stSgt David Welch — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:00:58 -0500

As a retired First Sergeant, the answer is yes... After an investigation, you'll be discharged

Response by CW4 Angel C. made Nov 15 at 2016 9:31 AM

CW4 Angel C. — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:31:16 -0500

What are you a contractor? I'd like to think of it as a commitment and a lifestyle. So what that tells us is that you're committed or serious about this lifestyle. But to answer your question yes it will as it should. Honestly the sooner you get chaptered out the better for everyone.

Response by CPO Earl Jones made Nov 15 at 2016 9:49 AM

CPO Earl Jones — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:49:48 -0500

Yes, at the very least you will be busted and lose 1/2 months pay for 2 months, and 45 days restriction & 45 days extra duty. At worst you be given your walking papers and an other than honorable discharge.

Response by MSgt Dave Burke made Nov 15 at 2016 9:50 AM

MSgt Dave Burke — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 09:50:18 -0500

I surely hope so! No matter what the local laws say that stuff is ILLEGAL to you and you should at least lose a stripe or two for using it. Choose your path! If you want to keep that uniform then do not use that stuff! If you want to use that stuff then turn ion the uniform!

Response by SSG Kyle Stromgren made Nov 15 at 2016 10:21 AM

SSG Kyle Stromgren — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:21:52 -0500

used to be you couldn't ship, you do need to do a big gut check MJ is not allowed in the military I worked at the drug testing lab 25 years ago now and you couldn't get by then and teck is better now do you want to be in the military then you need to stop using now and forever, always thought I would smoke a bowl after I was done and I have been done now 15 years and still haven't had that bowl yet get clean be clean. Remember drugs aint cool drugs make you drool.

Response by SSG Brian MacBain made Nov 15 at 2016 10:49 AM

SSG Brian MacBain — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:49:59 -0500

Yes it would, I do not know you but I like to assume that you are smart enough to know better. You have to live with the consequences of your actions. Even though it is legal in some states, for military members, it is illegal in all states and countries.

Response by Cpl Todd Woolverton made Nov 15 at 2016 10:51 AM

Cpl Todd Woolverton — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:51:05 -0500

You may be able to get a waiver. Go ask your recruiter for the IDtentango form to fill out.

Response by SSG Duane Tyler made Nov 15 at 2016 11:34 AM

SSG Duane Tyler — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:34:08 -0500

What did they say to you at the Meps station?

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Nov 15 at 2016 11:34 AM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:34:12 -0500

Well, uh dood, what do you think would like you know uh happen? Dood? Kowabunga!

Response by SSG Timothy McCoy made Nov 15 at 2016 11:58 AM

SSG Timothy McCoy — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 11:58:11 -0500

Now, what do YOU think DumbA$$??? Ifin' you have to ask you may not understand the answer.
Now think about this, if you have to sneak around and hid to do something that you can't do in the light and in public, maybe, JUST maybe, you should do it. Just because you can do something, doesn't always mean you should.
If you live in a state where smokin' dope is legal, (Just because you can), and you want to join the Armed Service, ( doesn't mean you should). Fed law vs State Rights.
Taking this to a bigger picture, what is legal in one country isn't allowed in another country. A case in point, Private ownership of firearms are legal here in the good old US of A, as of right now, in many other countries around the world, private ownership is illegal or highly regulated.
Try to think long term in your actions and the consequences to your future. A Friday night consequent of the opposite sex, may come back and bite you in the a$$ in less than 9 months. Or you might need to go to the doctor in 3-5 days to get an antibiotic to get rid of your trophy. Just to let you know on this subject, there are some bugs out there the scare the HAIL out of Penicillin.
Take a look at what PVT Sean Niemi above said, he has some good advice.

Think before you jump, as you can't always change your landing in mid-flight.
Hope this helps
Tim
Airborne All the Way.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 12:32 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:32:17 -0500

Is that your kid in your picture?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 12:49 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:49:15 -0500

Lmao yes of course

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 12:49 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:49:30 -0500

That shit will be terminated lmao

Response by A1C Lisa Casserly made Nov 15 at 2016 1:04 PM

A1C Lisa Casserly — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:04:45 -0500

I should think so! When you signed up initially, they made it clear that drug useage was FORBIDDEN. If you break that rule, I would think they would discharge you or at the least, not let you re-up. Several states have now legalized recreational use... however, the Federal government has not done so. And, as a government "employee" (even though the contract is like an indentured servitude contract) who has given up their rights under civil law and agreed to be judged with the UCMJ, you are not allowed to revert to a state law over federal.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 1:32 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:32:02 -0500

Typically I do not enjoy being devil's advocate and yes, people do make mistakes, but military have zero tolerance policy for illegal drugs. Strangely not for alcohol abuse. There might be a chance that Marines or Navy will let you, but that's a long shot. Navy at the moment waives for some serious crimes, due to critical need and might waive your one time indiscretion. If you get in though, forget about ever having any MOS/Rating in combat arms or positions that involve security clearance. If you are think that you are pretty hardcore who max out military physical tests, fly to France and try out for French Foreign Legion. Or if you feel that you willing to work to something akin to military, try out being in civilian world, get a degree and join up with a police force.

Response by MSgt Rupert Ellis made Nov 15 at 2016 1:55 PM

MSgt Rupert Ellis — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:55:17 -0500

If you plan on a successful career in the military, comply of you'll be denied the opportunity to experience the greatest fraternity in the USA...!

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 1:57 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:57:50 -0500

Nope. You obviously didn't belong in the military in the first place. #NoContractForYou.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Nov 15 at 2016 1:58 PM

SFC J Fullerton — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:58:00 -0500

Your previous enlistment contract is null and void now because your positive test disqualified you. The 6 month wait you are referring to is the minimum waiting period before you are eligible to apply for a "DAT Waiver". What that means is that in 6 months, you can return to MEPS for "inspect physical" and drug test. Once negative results are received, then your recruiter can submit a DAT waiver through the chain of command to have an "exception to policy" granted to overturn your disqualification. If approved, then you return to MEPS and start the contract process all over again. That is the process for the Army, but each service is different. Once your positive test was returned, you were dropped from the DEP, your contracted voided, and your ssn coded in the MEPS system as DQ. Even if you waited until 5 years from now and went to another service at a different MEPS, your ssn will still pop as DQ. The only way to change that is a waiver granted by the service. Good Luck, and put the weed down.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 2:38 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:38:10 -0500

I want to say there are no dumb questions but apparently I am wrong about that. Smh, anyone who wants to join or has joined should know the answer to that question already...

Response by PO1 Cliff Heath made Nov 15 at 2016 3:04 PM

PO1 Cliff Heath — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:04:22 -0500

DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO ASK? YOU CAN BE ASSURED IT WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT YOU.

Response by MSG Gary Himert made Nov 15 at 2016 4:31 PM

MSG Gary Himert — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:31:47 -0500

I get it, you're in MEPS and now a recruiter has to do a waiver, because the positive test DQ'd you. Assuming the waiver is approved, think about this: Your life and lives of others depends upon following rules, sound judgement and good decision making skills. Your selfish actions showed none of that. Fast forward, you find yourself in a situation where you need the Battle Buddies on your left and right to act with those same 3 criteria or you may die. You comfortable with them being high, disregarding the rules, using sound judgement and making good decisions? You want to stake your life on it?

If you're serious about wanting to be in the Army, then act like it. Even in the DEP your actions and conduct say more about you than anything else. Your actions also didn't do the only advocate you have (or had), your recruiter any favors. Although paid to recruit, he is also vouching for you as person today and perspective Soldier tomorrow, and you repay his trust by getting high?

I know there is one or two people on this thread who will say "dayumm, you got all serious and making sh*t up" but I can tell you, I was recruiter, and I had, as have others on this thread, a DEP or Future Soldier fail a piss test. One I refused to do the waiver for, my Station Commander did it (He was back home in less than a year) and the other I trusted, he was apologetic and realized the harm he did himself and to me, and he had a successful enlistment. You're on the right track by speaking frequently with the recruiter, but you've got a long way to go. I hope it works out for you

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 5:14 PM

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 17:14:30 -0500

There is no place for people like you in the military. If you can't even follow simple instructions like not doing drugs(breaking the law) what are we supposed to expect from you when you're defending our country and other people's lives are on the line?

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Nov 15 at 2016 6:02 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:02:03 -0500

Sp4 Byron Skinner…Marijuana is not going away, like tobacco and alcohol it is part of American life. Apparently unbeknown groups of Marines have been talking about this off base and not on duty usually over a Pizza and a beer. It pains me to say this but the Marine NCO's deserve a lot of credit, they have though out the issue and have come up with what appears at least for now a workable policy. I thinks the Marines are way ahead of the rest of the DoD on this issue… Obviously there is no agreement, NCO's can never agree on anything even in combat…Here is the basic idea. Marijuana has to be treated like a combination of smoking and consumption of alcohol on base. Off base civilian law applies. No consumption of Marijuana on base or during duty hours. Anybody reporting for duty and under the influence of Marijuana, will be treated like being drunk. .. A small amount will be allowed to be kept by a service member on base in a secured place, Marijuana will not be on, or carried by the service member while on duty. Possession will be allowed leaving the base or coming back to quarters where it will be secured, no using Marijuana in quarters or on Federal property permitted. The amount that would be allowable is still undecided, nobody knows how Marijuana will be packaged for retail sale yet…Like Gays in the military the Marines already have a policy worked out, if the officers in all services would listen to the U.S.M.C. NCO's there would be no Marijuana problem.

Response by Maj Ken Brown made Nov 15 at 2016 6:31 PM

Maj Ken Brown — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 18:31:41 -0500

I remember a young PFC who got caught with a joint in San Diego in 1975. The Marine who caught him was a SSgt MP in plain clothes. The PFC claimed it wasn't his joint and that the SSgt planted it on him. I let the PFC know I could call the SSgt in at which point he decided to start changing his story: maybe it was his friend's: he refused to identify his friend. At this point I suspected there was a sale involved so I recessed and called the SSgt. He was trying to give the guy a break: simple possession.

Back then I had no use whatsoever for dealers. I still don't They were screwing up my neighborhood back home. He could have gotten off with 14 14 7 and 0. Last I heard, he was facing a BCD. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 7:58 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 19:58:03 -0500

Uhh, yes

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2016 8:24 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:24:24 -0500

Really loving all the high and mighty responses on this subject. I've gone through and read your replies to many people. You seem very committed to this. There's a time and place if you want to smoke marijuana. If trying to join the military or currently in, that seems like a pretty bad time to smoke. Hopefully, everything goes in your favor. This mistake shouldn't dictate your life goals, neither should the responses of these people who view you as a lesser person because of it. Good luck.

Response by PO2 Joseph Lucas made Nov 15 at 2016 8:29 PM

PO2 Joseph Lucas — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:29:58 -0500

Yes.

Response by PO2 Joseph Lucas made Nov 15 at 2016 8:30 PM

PO2 Joseph Lucas — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:30:51 -0500

Yes. (Nothing else to say, really)

Response by Sgt David Sylvia made Nov 15 at 2016 9:45 PM

Sgt David Sylvia — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:45:11 -0500

The way things are nowadays you MIGHT be offered a waiver IF you act contrite, remorseful & swear it was "experimental use only" if you haven't shipped out to basic training yet. On the other hand if you smoked weed after boot camp you might wanna update & polish your resume (without mentioning military service) because you'll be looking for a new job soon (and a lot of these jobs have a drug test - just FYI)

Response by Cpl Ed Casala made Nov 15 at 2016 9:53 PM

Cpl Ed Casala — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:53:31 -0500

Yes it’s going to affect your contract. I made the same mistake you made when I joined and had my MOS changed to Infantry from Avionics. Nobody told me about the drug test when I joined, but it’s no excuse on my end, I signed the contract. Where I grew up, smoking weed was the norm, but I manned up and admitted what I had done and was granted a waiver to stay in. The Corps let me stay, but I think I was always randomly checked every time the piss test came up, but guess what, I saw the error of my ways and came out clean every test. I learned from my mistake and moved on. I also managed to earn two meritorious promotions while in. You can serve and serve well, but it’s going to take some work. If you want to stay in the military, you must take whatever option you are offered and pass every drug test given to you until your discharged. But you will see a lot of guys kicked out for drug use also. If you want to stay in, you have to say no to that lifestyle.
Then guess what, every decent job I ever had in the private sector will drug test you as well. And if you’re involved in any type of work related accident, your drug tested on the spot. And some jobs still random test people.

Response by Cpl Todd Woolverton made Nov 15 at 2016 9:59 PM

Cpl Todd Woolverton — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:59:53 -0500

Sorry for your complete lapse in judgment. I have read the posts and your responses. I value the lives of my brothers and sisters who wear the uniform and for you to join would put their lives in danger. I hope and pray that you don't get a second chance because in combat you don't get to say oops sorry. Whether you follow or lead troops everyone counts on the person next to them. You knew what you were doing when you pulled that smoke into your lungs. The recruiter was counting on you to stay clean and you couldn't do that. How could anyone count on you now in a fire fight. All I hear you saying is what you think everyone wants to hear.

Response by LCpl Michael Parker made Nov 16 at 2016 7:58 AM

LCpl Michael Parker — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:58:08 -0500

Smoking pot slows responces and will adversely impact a warriors ability to perform even as a basic Rifflemen. When I served in the USMCR NOBODY would have wanted to give a stoner a joint and a rifle it just does not mix. you dont have to be a high ranking officer or be related to Hillary to understand this fundlemental logic (1) rule for all period. if it does not enhance the worriors ability then it simply does not belong

Response by SFC Tom Carey made Nov 16 at 2016 8:01 AM

SFC Tom Carey — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:01:16 -0500

I certainly hope so!

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Nov 16 at 2016 8:09 AM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:09:00 -0500

Not sure what the environment is like today, but in my time it would buy you a Dishonorable Discharge and a year or two in Leavenworth.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2016 8:30 AM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:30:56 -0500

Will the sun rise in the East and set in the West? It only takes one "awe shucks" to erase a thousand "atta-boys," and it doesn't appear that you have a thousand "atta-boys" to bargain with. I would be highly surprised if your chain of command doesn't send you packing. If they don't, it would only be because you were completely honest with them about what you did and why. I sat an Administrative Board when I was an O-3 for a sailor that popped positive, and we sent him packing with an OTH.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Nov 16 at 2016 9:08 AM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:08:43 -0500

Very simple answer: What contract? If the sarcasm escaped you, here's a more direct answer; start looking for a job. The Federal Government (who would've been your employer) still view marijuana as a gateway drug and remains a federal offense!!!

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2016 11:56 AM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:56:26 -0500

I'd like to thank everyone for responding and a special thanks to those who kept it blunt and were straight forward with me, I will keep in mind everyone's responses and use it to push myself harder to become the soldier you have all described and most importantly to become the soldier you would trust in battle, I will not be responding nor will I be on here much longer because I'm focusing all my time and energy to studying the military code of conduct and living the army values as well as preparing myself mentally and physically as much as I can so if I am given a second chance it will be that much easier for the ds's to teach me everything I need to know in bct, with all due respect I hope to prove those who said I can't do it wrong not to say I told you so but to be the best I can be and to be the soldier you would trust to have next to you in battle, I know I have a long and hard journey to get there and I'm looking forward to the challenge and ready to do what's necessary to join the elite and become a proud protector and guardian of the American people and the American way of life
Thank you all again for your thoughts and input it has helped me a great deal and I look forward to a time I can update you all as to my success in the military

Response by CPO James Hunter made Nov 16 at 2016 2:21 PM

CPO James Hunter — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:21:56 -0500

Your actions, or lack of, could cripple or kill your fellow servicemen, and that goes for all of us. The standard is to be sober, and drug free. If you wear the name you play the game. Your choice.

Response by SSgt Frank Perron made Nov 16 at 2016 8:14 PM

SSgt Frank Perron — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:14:38 -0500

Yes it will. When you join the service you are told there is a Zero tolerance to drug use. If you want to continue in the service don't smoke weed. If you don't want to stay in the service smoke weed fail a piss test. Yes in some states weed is legal. You have to decide which is more important, smoking weed, or your job.

Response by Sam Levine made Nov 18 at 2016 7:50 PM

Sam Levine — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:50:52 -0500

It depends. I'd need to know more about your history & frequency of use. If you want to talk offline, please email me at sam (at) samlevine.com. Best wishes.

Sam Levine, Esq.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Nov 18 at 2016 7:56 PM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 19:56:46 -0500

Do bears crap in the woods?

Response by LTJG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2016 6:04 AM

LTJG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 06:04:14 -0500

you got your answer. i suggest deleting this post if you want to serve.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2016 1:26 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:26:47 -0500

Get high, get lost. This is within the military and most professions.

Actually, hear that some states are testing for drugs to obtain welfare. I am curious of the long term health affects to lungs and brain. In 5, 10 and 20 years this might become a huge burden on the health system.

Response by LCpl James Perry made Nov 25 at 2016 9:15 AM

LCpl James Perry — Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:15:33 -0500

Yes testing positive for marijuana can affect your contract

Response by SFC Donald Pond made Nov 30 at 2016 7:25 AM

SFC Donald Pond — Wed, 30 Nov 2016 07:25:10 -0500

You'll be fine, as a matter of fact they have a special serving line just for pot heads, all the hostess cupcakes and Twinkies you can eat.
Really Dude ? What were you thinking?

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Dec 2 at 2016 11:41 AM

SFC J Fullerton — Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:41:44 -0500

Don't worry too much. When the wait period is up, the recruiter is probably going to come looking for you as an easy contract. Especially if you live in an area where recruiting sucks and the station is desperate to make its numbers. The waiver is pretty much a formality, as the recruiting command is only concerned with making its numbers and you are a number. As long as you are still otherwise qualified, a Colonel is going to approve the waiver because the regulations allow for it. As much as you pissed off the recruiter and his bosses by coming up hot and being a "DAT Loss", they are still going to kiss your ass to join again when the wait is up because they need the number and give less than shit that you where a pot smoker as long as you are clean when the wait is up. But forget about the Option 40 Ranger, you will not qualify for the clearance required.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Dec 15 at 2016 4:14 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Thu, 15 Dec 2016 16:14:23 -0500

Sp4 Byron Skinner A good question and it seems very clearly spelled out in Military Law which corresponds with Federal Code. Good enough…We have a problem though about half of the US population including California where the military get about 36% of it recruits using Marijuana is OK. The potential was no disobeying his state law when he/she used the drug. Since November 8th. the overt use of Marijuana has become epidemic in Southern California. Does that mean men and women from California are now no longer being allowed to join the Armed Forces. There are medical tests that can determine the use of Marijuana, they are expensive and take time. They theists were developed decades ago but because of time, cost and accuracy have been discontinued for general usage…The best position for the Military would be to just eliminate the question and make sure everybody understands the rule on base are different from those outside the gate. Off base usage should be treated the same as alcohol, Marijuana is not allowed physically in any quantity on base and being intoxicated during duty hours will be the same as being drunk. American society is ahead of the Military on this issue. For clarification a DoD policy should be posted so that military personal know exactly what the rules are. This is a policy that should not be left to the base commanders discretion.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Mar 8 at 2017 10:50 AM

SFC J Fullerton — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 10:50:05 -0500

So, your wait was up on March 5. Did you go back to MEPS to retake the "test"?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2017 11:29 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Mar 2017 11:29:46 -0500

Alright guy, check it out;

Will it affect your contract? Very probably. Will it completely stop you form enlisting? Probably not, but it will impact what jobs are available to you, and what security clearances you're applicable for.

Understand this; I despise people who use recreational drugs in the military. And as an Infantryman, I would never trust, nor want someone like that next to me in a firefight. You would be lucky if I let you dig a foxhole with me, let alone climb into it with me.

Now, understand that you can come back from this. And you can (probably) still come into the military. However, that being said; you need to square your ass away right quick and in a hurry. And if your friends are that much of an influence on you, that you cannot keep yourself from blazing up just because you're hanging around them, then you have more than just your contract to reevaluate. You need to reconsider your life, and realize who is and is not a friend to you. Because those r*tards are not your friends.

Here's the nitty-gritty, there bud. We, as Soldiers, have a code. We ARE the influence, we do not GET influenced. And if you cannot hold yourself to a higher standard than stupid decisions like this; then we do not have a place for, nor want you, in our ranks.

I truly hope that you can situate your life and your choices. I do. But if you do not, it would be in your best interest that we do not meet anywhere on the Line. Because you and I will not be friends, and we damn sure aren't going to be taking long walks on the beach discussing the philosophies of life.

Response by SGT Alejandro Benavides made Mar 13 at 2017 1:19 PM

SGT Alejandro Benavides — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:19:05 -0400

Honestly, the ONLY reason why I think this was stupid is because it's illegal in the eyes of the military and federal government.
I honestly think it's silly that the military and federal government will let you (highly discourage) get black out drunk or take OxyContin, but won't let people consume marijuana. Alcoholism and pain killer addictions are one hell of a beast compared to weed.
But just because you think it's right, doesn't make it legal. Keep that in mind next time you want to toke.

Response by SGT J L made Mar 13 at 2017 1:31 PM

SGT J L — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 13:31:36 -0400

When I was enlisting in the late 90's my recruiter asked me if I smoked pot, and I said yes. He then gave me some kind of a drink solution in an old Snapple bottle and told me to take 3 tablespoons a day and I would go to the meps office in one week for my physical/ drug test. I did what he said and passed the drug test. I stopped smoking pot and had a good successful enlistment with an honorable discharge as an E-5. I've never heard anyone complain that recruiters are just to honest. Thoughts??

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2017 2:18 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:18:19 -0400

When I enlisted it would have delayed you, but might not have ended your possibilities. Since then though, its not as easy to get into the military. Too many people want in. You have to stand above the rest, which you haven't done. What do you expect?

On a personal note, I don't see the difference between a six pack of beer and a joint. But, you knew the rules. You broke them. Man-up!

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2017 2:45 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:45:43 -0400

So I'll get ripped for it, but that's okay.
While you did sign a legal contract saying you would not smoke pot, I believe that is your only mistake; that breach of contract. As an NCO and supervisor, I will punish you for that breach. But I feel that as long as servicemembers are allowed to get sh*tfaced drunk on the weekends and be allowed special areas to fill their lungs with carcinogens from tobacco, that you are in fact making a better life choice than the others (life choice, not career choice, big difference there).
My last subordinate was a massive pothead in his civilian life (he dropped it upon enlistment); he was more well read, intelligent, and a harder worker than the most straight laced people I know. So yes, while you made a legal breach of contract that you will need to be held accountable for, I got no problem if it finally becomes legal for us.

Response by SPC Shannon Szukala made Mar 13 at 2017 5:14 PM

SPC Shannon Szukala — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:14:32 -0400

Yes

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2017 5:30 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:30:45 -0400

can you make the difference, back in 1983 I joined the navy, on our ride to and arrival to glkes naval training center the guy next to me threw a baggie to the side of the street, a quick look told me it was syringe, spoon, candle that person popped positive for heroine, he was allowed to stay and was tested frequently, even allowed to go on to corps school he was one of the best corpsman I ever served with so the question is how bad do you want it, are you willing to let go and become a soldier and accept that your previous life wasn't working, yes the army expects higher standards but they also understand that a person can if willing to, change their life, even if the nay sawyers say differently, there are always skeletons in the closet

Response by SP5 Robert Ruck made Mar 13 at 2017 9:34 PM

SP5 Robert Ruck — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:34:55 -0400

Bad decisions have bad results. If you know you have a drug test coming up or you are in a restricted position and still can not refrain from using an illegal substance you have two problems. Lack of common sense and complete lack of discipline.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 13 at 2017 11:29 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Mar 2017 23:29:00 -0400

You have asked a blunt end question that I can't give you a blunt end answer. I think a good question to be asking yourself or your friend is, does integrity play a part in your life.

That's not a question someone can give you an answer to except yourself. This isn't a question about the drug you or you friend has used, even if that's what you'd like it to be. Can you live with the decision you made?

You or your friend or the hypothetical circumstance this may be in, had choices. The choice to use the drug, the choice to admit to using the drug. Now, there is only your choice to do what is right, not for your "contract" that is just paper pushed across someone's desk, but your choice at freedom. Your choices do have consequences, there's no avoiding that. However, you have the choice what to do from here. You have the choice to make, what to do with tomorrow, this week, next month, and your life ahead of you. You, have a free will. So do all of your friends.

So what does integrity truly look like?

Im rooting for you and hope you decide to at least begin taking steps towards a brighter future.

Regret brings back memories, repentance brings forth new life.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2017 12:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:53:41 -0400

Most likely it will. Here is some free old guy life advice. There are things in the military that you are not going to agree with. Really dumb rules and regs. If you want to be in the military and progress, you need to understand that however dumb the rules are, you have to follow them. One of the rules is don't smoke dope. So, dont do it. Or, get out, move to colorado and smoke dope all day if you want. The point is, when you joined you agreed to follow certian codes of conduct. These are not suggestions and your failure to follow the the rule on dope smokin may very well follow you for the rest of your career.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2019 12:46 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:46:51 -0400

The only effect it will have on your contract is a positive one! The more drugs you do in the Army the better solider you will be.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Nov 1 at 2020 4:11 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 16:11:18 -0500

At the least you’ll lose any chance of a security clearance,and they might let you scrape bird shit off runways. But, if you want to smoke stay civilian, it’s not the deal in the military today. With downsizing comes competition, if we’re not deploying where at best stagnant, and you just rendered yourself irrelevant, and there’s a 100 guys who are clean that might want that slot. Landscaping isn’t all that awful a deal I guess. Damn , you knew they drug test, so I’m assuming you weren’t totally committed anyway.

Response by SN Patrick McManus made Nov 1 at 2020 6:25 PM

SN Patrick McManus — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 18:25:04 -0500

When I was in boot in ‘04 we had a couple guys who popped positive on the whiz quiz. They were never seen again. The policies regarding drugs haven’t changed since then. The military has a zero tolerance policy for drugs, & federal law trumps your state’s laws re: marijuana (if that’s even relevant). You’re more than likely going to get the boot.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Nov 1 at 2020 7:40 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 19:40:10 -0500

I went in with my Hs friend went in on the buddy program, both 2800 field. He got busted at the beach with a joint and he lost his ability for a security clearance. You needed at least a secret clearance to be able to handle crypto gear. He went thru basic and then went to a transportation battalion and drove a truck. Given today’s world why in the hell wouldn't think they’d drug test you? And your not a Pvt you didn’t go thru basic and earn that title. .

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2020 8:10 AM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Nov 2020 08:10:12 -0500

DOD has no drug policy, with some waiver room.