Will it benefit the USAR to allow UnSat Soldiers to accumulate 28 unexcused absence before separation actions can being initiated?

2018-04-17T20:43:08-04:00

The new USARC policy (USARC OPORD 18-085) requires an accumulation of 28 unexcused absences within a 12 month period before separation proceedings can be initiated.
Is this a benefit to the Soldier or a curse to their leadership?

Response by SGT Matthew S. made Apr 17 at 2018 8:44 PM

2018-04-17T20:44:42-04:00

A curse to leadership. That's, what, almost 3/4 of a year's worth of training?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 12:54 AM

2018-04-18T00:54:49-04:00

That is ridiculous. It's hard enough to maintain unit cohesion with excused absences and make up training as leaders try to balance Soldier's civilian work with military needs. But now a Soldier can miss 7 full weekends before separation? The army wants to create ready force operational reserve units. Kind of hard to do if this is allowed. It's starting to get to the point that unless someone really cares about retirement benefits, then good years don't matter any more.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 2:25 AM

2018-04-18T02:25:37-04:00

SSG,Do you have a link to the policy?I cannot find it.

Response by MAJ Monique Ruiz made Apr 18 at 2018 8:05 AM

2018-04-18T08:05:00-04:00

2LT Private RallyPoint Member I would put the Soldier on AT orders. When he/she doesn’t show, initiate process for discharge. I don’t know how the Reserves do it, but in the Guard, no show for AT is the quickest way to discharge. I did it because I didn’t want to wait for three months to discharge someone who didn’t want to be in anymore.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 8:39 AM

2018-04-18T08:39:29-04:00

Why even have anyone show up at all if that's the case?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2018 8:55 AM

2018-04-18T08:55:19-04:00

This is a curse.
Anyone who has been in for a minute knows "that guy" who knows exactly what the rules are and plays just inside them. Basically, taking off two drills a year - because you can only get 4 U's in a single weekend, even if it is a MUTA 5 or 6 - in order to dodge BAs that they find they wish to avoid, such as an FTX, SRP, or APFT.
The amount of vagrancy possible with 28 U's is 7 MONTHS of drills, meaning a turd would only have to show up half the time and be safe from getting tossed out.
No thanks.
I am sure that the notion is to retain a guy that we've paid to train in case of war, but does anyone think this guy would show up if a call-up happened? How useful (or useless) would such a Soldier be?
Not only that, but in terms of practical execution, you would use up a ton of administrative resources documenting all of that in order to process an UNSAT discharge... all time and effort spent on a useless oxygen thief.
I would be curious to hear a senior leader's thoughts on this policy.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 18 at 2018 9:52 PM

2018-04-18T21:52:38-04:00

It is flippin sad, that is what it is, at least for the CoC

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2018 8:14 AM

2018-04-26T08:14:52-04:00

Where I can I get a copy /
(Duplicate post / found proceedings to find it on same board

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2018 8:16 AM

2018-04-26T08:16:38-04:00

I'm on G-1 Web Page I don't see d' OPORD.
Can I have someone email ( [login to see] ) it to me or get it posted here? (complete document)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2018 9:31 AM

2018-04-26T09:31:59-04:00

Who made up that stupid OPORD, it was hard enough to get rid of them when I was a UA dealing with 9 U's now you will never get rid of them. Heck I have seen soldiers who never showed up for drill ever, and still have to fight to get them off the books.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2018 9:56 AM

2018-04-26T09:56:10-04:00

This seems ridiculously high. More than 2 unexcused absences a month? What say you are a member?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2018 11:52 AM

2018-04-27T11:52:49-04:00

How do I get this document? I went to the publication page and it says the folder doesn't exist when I click on it. Is there somewhere else or is there a way someone can post it here? Thank you