Will my 6 years of NG service count towards my AD pay?

2018-12-08T17:57:16-05:00

I served in the National Guard for six years and ETD’d in August as a Specialist with 4 years Active duty time (towards retirement) . Now I’m Active duty Army since October, my ERB is all messed up but I did paperwork a few weeks ago to fix the dates on there.

My LES is reflecting me as an E-4, but with 00 years in service. Once this is all cleared up will I get paid for 4 years in service or over 6?

Response by SGT Eric Davis made Dec 8 at 2018 5:58 PM

2018-12-08T17:58:52-05:00

You should get paid for 6 years but active duty time you won’t have 6 years if you only did the traditional guard duty so you will still have to do about 20 years active to get the full retirement

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 8 at 2018 9:11 PM

2018-12-08T21:11:50-05:00

My understanding of the whole thing is, that, whenever I've heard of that, I've always heard ARNG or ANG time, if a given year is completed, of course counts, as I've understood the matter, however, it all has to be very carefully documented...use the NPRC eVetRecs Java applet site to send for all your records, admin, med, dental, all of it, from NPRC in St. Louis, ask for all of them explicitly, so you're sure you've got everything, then ask all three of your Congress offices for help, send the stuff to them, and ask them to write to Army, so as to positively had it all properly tabulated and documented, just be sure to sign, date, and fax back the eVetRecs printout, NPRC is uniquely approachable, we've gotten a lot of stuff from them, mine, family, they're extremely helpful, trust me, however, if you lose the reference number on the eVetRecs printout, after you submit it online, there's no way the NPRC switchboard staff can trace your request, so scan it in, save it on a hard drive, flash drive, CD, DVD, email, whatever, JPEG PDF, what have you, just don't lose it, you should get an acknowledgment letter in a couple of weeks, then all your stuff on double sided paper, run it off yourself, at a copy place, so it doesn't get all mixed up, and blank pages don't get added in, don't trust others to do that, do it yourself, believe me, been there, done that (BTDT), if your time was valid, it can all be checked, certainly, however, do the Privacy Act (PA) forms for all three Congress offices, the can't help you without them, that's the law, generally, House offices do such stuff, though you can go to Senate offices, only local offices do such vet/mil mbr casework, the DC offices all only handle policy, though try can message local offices, if you need a call back, trust me, my wife and I needed me to have to get records for us countless times, the specifics of how one documents, I don't know about, I've understood there's some sort of annual ime statement for ARNG and/or ANG...one pastor at the Pentecostal church we go to my wife likes was ARNG, he couldn't get VA benefits, for some crazy reason that he was never actually activated, which I always found rather Looney, as he'd drilled during Vietnam, even though he was never used, per se, I'd also encountered that with a friend who'd been USNR, same no VA benefits for him, however actually documenting Reserve and/or Guard time I'd heard has to be done exceedingly carefully, I don't know if VA gets involved, you might also consider doing a correction board case, if need be, however, VA and the correction boards take a really long time, and you should have either a vet group help you, a law school vet law clinic, or an attorney, in my view, one who explicitly does mil admin law, at least the way I personally think about it, you can of course try to submit such requests on your own, however, we found out a long time ago, there's a really good reason God invented lawyers, I assure you, BTDT, once again, I hope that all helps, if you'd care to chat further, just ask, I'll try t suggest more, those are my thoughts such as they are, for whatever they're all worth, OK?

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 8 at 2018 9:13 PM

2018-12-08T21:13:13-05:00

And the pay aspect isn't the sole reason to document, there's also the whole retirement contribution for all your time invested, that's the other reason as well, obviously, you know?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2018 9:50 PM

2018-12-08T21:50:18-05:00

Your NG time counts for pay. Your active time counts for retirement. Once your PEBD is fixed, you should receive back pay for the period you were receiving pay for 0 years. MEPS is infamous for messing that up for prior service

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2018 12:45 PM

2018-12-09T12:45:39-05:00

I have a similar career progression. I recently finished my paperwork and my LES now reflects my total time. For every 6 years guard time it can be converted to 1 year active time. So 4 years active + 6 years guard = 5 years towards an active duty retirement. My LES also says I have 11 years of time in service, but since a lot of it was guard it only converts to 5 years of active time. I hope that makes things clearer for you.

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Dec 9 at 2018 1:14 PM

2018-12-09T13:14:01-05:00

http://www.vetadvocates.org

Typically the attorneys or vet group reps here do mainly VA disability stuff we used them for my stuff the thing is they might know mil admin lawyers by you as colleagues or check law school vet law clinics by you I may have said that already the thing is such clinics don’t always take everybody it’s up to the faculty advisors supervising the law students....

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Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2018 2:45 PM

2018-12-09T14:45:50-05:00

SPC Private RallyPoint Member I went from RC to RC AGR and on the pay scale it continued as normal, but for retirement purposes I have two tracks: RC retirement continues to go by my YIS while my active retirement had my RC time condensed to fit active time to establish an active retirement timeline. So I will 2 plus years more after my RC retirement to get an active retirement.