Will the BLC cadre return a soldier during COVID if they don't have ASUs?

SGT Eric Davis — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 18:53:55 -0400

I have a solider just got back in the national guard recent and getting ready to go to BLC at CAMP SHELBY but they don’t have any ASU. Do you think the cadre with turn them away or what will happen!

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Oct 3 at 2020 6:57 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 18:57:05 -0400

call the school house

Response by SSG Steven Borders made Oct 3 at 2020 6:57 PM

SSG Steven Borders — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 18:57:58 -0400

No, they won't turn them away. They just won't get to participate in the graduation ceremony. That's what happened at my MOS reclass, and it even states that in my ALC welcome packet.

Response by SFC Christopher Perry made Oct 3 at 2020 7:14 PM

SFC Christopher Perry — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 19:14:33 -0400

Can not hurt to call the school house. The cadre are different everywhere you go. Never hurts to be proactive! There is no doubt in my mind I would have been sent home at Fort Sill. Admittedly, that was a long time ago.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Oct 3 at 2020 7:31 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 19:31:14 -0400

2. The following information is provided for your assistance. Review the contents of the
welcome packet in its entirety. If you have questions regarding in-processing, call 601-
558-2928 or [login to see] Mon-Fri. On in-processing day call [login to see] to speak
with a Senior Small Group Leader.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Oct 3 at 2020 7:39 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 19:39:20 -0400

Here's what I found
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
3RD NCOA, 154TH REGIMENT (RTI)
3500 "C" AVENUE
CAMP SHELBY MS 39407-5500
NGMS-RTI-NCO 16 January 2020
MEMORANDUM FOR Basic Leader Course (BLC) Students
SUBJECT: BLC Welcome Letter (********EFFECTIVE 1 FEB 2020********)
1. Congratulations on being selected to attend the BLC at the 3rd NCOA Training
Battalion, Camp Shelby, MS. You will be attending class 0XX-XX scheduled for
Thursday Month Date – Friday Month Date, 2020. In processing is from 0900 –
2000hrs. In processing is from 0900 hrs – until 2000 on the travel day Thursday
Month Date, 2020. It is recommended to report as early as possible for in
processing. Graduation will be on Thursday Month Date, 2020 at 1500 at the RTI
auditorium.
2. The following information is provided for your assistance. Review the contents of the
welcome packet in its entirety. If you have questions regarding in-processing, call 601-
558-2928 or [login to see] Mon-Fri. On in-processing day call [login to see] to speak
with a Senior Small Group Leader.
a. Commercial Travel Arrangements: Transportation will be provided for
students traveling by (air/bus) on the report date, students traveling prior to report date
will be responsible for their own transportation. It is strongly encouraged that you
schedule your flights as early as possible on the report date. If your flight is
scheduled to arrive after 2000hrs, it is the Soldiers responsibility to provided
transportation from the airport. The price for is $145.00 for UBER XL and Taxi
cost is approximately $140.00 from GPT. There are two airports that we pick up from,
that is Gulfport (GPT) and Laurel / Hattiesburg (PIB). GPT is usually the most cost
effective option. The shuttle for pick-up of arrivals will make 3 runs throughout the
day/night to each airport. The last shuttle run for the night will leave the airports at
2000. Once you arrive at either airport, report to the baggage claim area and wait until
the shuttle arrives (students arriving at Gulfport/Biloxi may wait in the USO located on
the 2nd floor). There will be an Instructor going through the baggage claim area
announcing that he/she is there for 3rd NCOA students. Should your travel
arrangements get cancelled or you need to arrange pick-up from the Airport contact the
3rd NCOA at [login to see] (on report day). It is encouraged that you schedule your
flights for arrival as early as possible at either Gulfport or Laurel/Hattiesburg airports.
Do NOT schedule a departing flight earlier than 1000hrs on day 22 travel day.
b. Driving Directions (strip map enclosed): Camp Shelby is located in south
Mississippi, 10 miles south of Hattiesburg on Highway 49. Due to current Force
Protection measures, all students must enter thru the south gate. A valid CAC ID card,
NGMS-RTI-NCO
Subject: BLC Welcome Letter
vehicle registration, and proof of insurance are required. After you have entered through
the South Gate, you will pass over a set of railroad tracks. Continue on straight until you
reach a stop sign then turn right. At the next stop sign, (about 250 ft.) turn left.
Continue on and you will see the Post Parade Field on your right. The next intersection
you will encounter is a Y intersection, stay to the left and at the stop sign make a right
turn. You are now on Lee Avenue. Continue on Lee Avenue until you reach 37th Street.
After making the 37th street left turn, follow the road until you see a brown sign in the
front of our HQ Bldg. It will read "154th Regiment (RTI) Headquarters, Building 3500.
Turn into that parking lot and you will see an arch with the caption “3RD Non-
Commissioned Officer Academy”.
c. Reporting Instructions: Report to Bldg 3576 (Northside door, closest to the
parking lot). Look on the easel board identifying which classroom to report for inprocessing.
On report day the 3RD NCOA cadre can be reached at the following
number: [login to see] . If reporting late (after 2200 hours) report to Bldg 3500
Regimental Staff Duty, contact [login to see] , if no answer contact [login to see] .
No linen or meal card will be issued until day one of the course. After in-processing,
students will not park in the RTI Headquarters parking lot. The HQ 154th RTI parking lot
is for Cadre/Staff only. Student parking is limited to the South and East parking lots
surrounding the student barracks and the Dining Facility (DFAC) parking areas (see
enclosed overview of RTI Area). Students driving military vehicles should bring a
government credit card to support vehicle expenses while traveling. The NCOA will not
provide fuel for vehicles. Commercial lodging incurred during travel will be at the
student’s own expense if lodging is less than 50 miles from their duty station or Camp
Shelby.
d. Special Instructions: All Soldiers are required to bring a complete and
serviceable Army Service Uniform (ASU) with all decorations and awards. This is to be
worn on graduation day and Public speaking Day. If Soldier fails to bring their ASU or
obtain their ASU within 48 hours the Soldier will be counseled and removed from any
Academic Honors and may be released from the course at the Commandants
discretion.
e. Enclosures: The Student Assessment Plan (SAP), a packing list and an
overview of the RTI area are enclosures to this document. The SAP provides a list of
responsibilities, pre-requisites, requirements, structure and other procedures that are
vital to the student before and during attendance. Each Soldier will have 48 hrs to
obtain any missing OCIE i.e. ACH / FLIC. After the first 48 hrs the Soldier will be
counseled and removed from any Academic Honors. Specifics not covered in
enclosures are found below.
f. In-processing: In-processing is conducted in the Army Physical Fitness Uniform
(APFU). Students traveling by commercial transportation will hand carry a PFU and a
complete set of ACU’s. You must possess a CAC ID card, PIN and have an enterprise
email account. Also, you must know your AKO user ID and password.
NGMS-RTI-NCO
Subject: BLC Welcome Letter
g. Required Documentation: Be prepared to present the following documentation
during in-processing. If for some reason you are not able to present a required
document you will have 72 hours to provide the requirement. If the documentation is
not provided within that time, the Soldier will be dis-enrolled from the course.
h. Orders: Soldiers will report with pay orders and/or a DA 1610. (Active
Component Soldiers will only need a DA 1610). Your command is responsible for orders
placing you on duty as well as processing pay (RC)
(1) SSD level 1 Certificate: Be prepared to present DA Form 87 SSD level 1
certificate during in-processing.
(2) Pre-execution checklist: Active Component Soldiers as well as any Soldier
not in a reservation status will be required to provide a completed TASS Pre-Execution
checklist TRADOC Form 350-18-2-R-E April 18, signed by the Soldiers Commander.
i. Meals: Charges are: Breakfast: $7.05, Lunch: $7.40, Dinner: $8.10. Soldiers
will pay for meals on the first and last day of course (reimbursable through travel
voucher). Meals are provided except on travel days.
j. Laundry Service/Post Exchange: A free Laundromat is located in the academy
area. A Post Exchange (PX) and clothing sales is available for uniform and personal
item purchases. Students should bring approximately $75.00 to support unforeseen
expenses. There will be off post Laundry Service coordinated for Soldier needing to get
their ASU’s dry cleaned.
k. Pay: Your command is responsible for your pay.
l. Orders: Your command is responsible for orders placing you on duty.
m. Prohibited Items: Do not bring firearms, fireworks, illicit drugs, or alcohol to the
course. Camp Shelby and/or NCOA policy prohibits these items.
n. Contact Information: Your mailing address while attending the course:
(Rank) (Name)
3rd NCOA Training Battalion
ATTN: BLC LC #____
3500 “C” Avenue
Camp Shelby, MS 39407-5500
l. You should know and understand the NCO Creed. It is provided as an enclosure
to this memorandum.
NGMS-RTI-NCO
Subject: BLC Welcome Letter
3. Point of contact is the BLC Chief of Training, Office [login to see] or DSN 286-
2908.
ENCL LARRY W. ODOM
Individual Student Assessment Plan CSM, MSARNG
Clothing and Equipment List Commandant
NCO Creed
RTI Area Overview
Camp Shelby – NCOA strip map

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 3 at 2020 10:55 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 22:55:32 -0400

If you can't get through to anyone in the BLC course or 3rd NCOA, I would start working your way up the CoC. Here is the contact info for the RTI:

Commander [login to see] 286.2587
Operations Officer [login to see] 286.2971
Operations SGM [login to see] 286.2443

Headquarters Contacts

Personnel NCO [login to see] 286.2635
Training NCO [login to see] 286.2116
Logistics NCO [login to see] 286.2245
ATTRS Manager [login to see] 286.2899

If that doesn't work and you get really desperate, I would email the post leadership. Camp Shelby Deputy Commander is LTC Randall P. Mantooth; Post CSM is Gary E. Graham.

Response by SSG Waldo Yamada made Oct 3 at 2020 11:18 PM

SSG Waldo Yamada — Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:18:57 -0400

From experience. For PLDC you will not attend if you do not meet the required items on the packing list. This should always be as basic since basic training. The best thing is to get the ASU’s where it is available. If you are his counselor try to figure out to get a loaner or something to get to him/her ASAP.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Oct 4 at 2020 1:22 AM

SGM Bill Frazer — Sun, 04 Oct 2020 01:22:47 -0400

Quite possible, after all the receive a packing list and supposedly get it in time to acquire everything. I have seen many schools (normally AD) send folks home for not having everything on the list, no PT test, etc. BLC,ALC, RASP, Battle Staff course, etc.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2020 10:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Oct 2020 10:51:56 -0400

I only ask this because I have BLC in November, are you sure he is physically reporting to the school house? My course will be virtual and My reporting is from my home office... I still have to be in uniform and report via Microsoft Team from 0700-1700 everyday, and complete all the same work. However we are not physically going to the school house?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 4 at 2020 6:47 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Oct 2020 18:47:54 -0400

They could possibly dismiss him from the course if he doesn’t have his ASUs. That’s part of the packing list required to attend. They may do a layout and if he doesn’t have his ASUs, it’s really up to the cadre and commandant if they’ll allow the Soldier to either stay or be dismissed. My question however is how does the Soldier not have ASUs? Assuming the Soldier has been in for more than 2 years.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2020 1:20 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 01:20:17 -0400

ASUs aren't required at National Guard BLC

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 5 at 2020 6:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 18:50:51 -0400

Is there a reason the soldier doesn’t have the uniform?