Will there ever be a e-10 Paygrade and how would they be recognized?

PO3 Aaron Hassay — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:26:35 -0500

IT could be called Master Master Chief or Sergeant Major Major. You must always get the extra part in

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Feb 22 at 2021 11:39 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:39:46 -0500

Some of us were around when MCPO and SCPO came into being, and wondered why. Later I understood.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 12:28 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 12:28:05 -0500

I'm still waiting for the millennial generation to be offended by SECOND Lieutenant as sub standard relative to FIRST Lieutenant, and change the rank of O1 to Lieutenant-Lieutenant, and O2 to just plain Lieutenant like in the Navy.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Feb 22 at 2021 12:30 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 12:30:05 -0500

Yes. I advocated for this a few years ago with mixed reactions from RP members. Should be limited to Senior Enlisted person at a General Officer level command. Appropriate title already exists in Army, Command Sergeant Major. Other Services could follow along.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Feb 22 at 2021 1:37 PM

MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:37:46 -0500

Good God I hope not!! We already have enough E-9's running around (and I DO mean E-9, not CMSgt, SGM, or MCPO!) without further stroking egos. The ONLY exception I would entertain would be if we created a Chief Master Sergeant of the Armed Forces (or service equivalent title) as an E-10. Even then, I would give it lackluster support at best. We don't make the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs a 5-star so why would we make Enlisted an E-10?

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 2:25 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:25:10 -0500

I hope it never happens! There are already too many Senior Enlisted Advisor (E-9) full-time positions. And besides that, many times the advice that they give to their Flag officer is not good advice, or they concur with the Flag officers' bad idea, because they themselves are too far into the the sphere of the political mix. In other words, they have drank the kool aid and think it's wonderful and want another cup of it lol. I'm not saying that they are all like that but enough of them are to preclude taking this another step further with creating an (E-10) pay grade.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 22 at 2021 2:26 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:26:44 -0500

There is. The SMA is on a separate pay scale than all other E9’s. It is the same for all services.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Feb 22 at 2021 8:25 PM

Cpl Vic Burk — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:25:51 -0500

The Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps is an E-10 (when I was in anyways). As far as I know the was the only one with this pay grade. We had enough E-9's when I was in. There wasn't enough for them to do as it was (in my opinion). Why would we need more heavies?!

Response by SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2021 3:21 AM

SgtMaj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 03:21:18 -0500

I most certainly hope not. For starters, only .9% of enlisted will ever make it to the rank of E9. At that rank, you serve at the will and pleasure of your respective institution and the POTUS! Serving in such capacity is a privilege and must always be assumed under the auspice of being a servant leader. Creating an extra grade will lead to nothing but craziness: some will allow it to get into their heads. Disclaimer: I served in the United States Marine Corps and was blessed with the privilege of joining the E9 community as a Sergeant Major. the majority of my time in service were in combat billets where we are groomed to be servant leaders...Leadership by example...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2021 2:59 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 14:59:43 -0500

E10 and E11 have been proposed, W6 as well come to think of it. We sort of already have it even though they're technically specialty E9's like the SMA and SEAC. It would be easier just to make sure each level of E9 responsibility has it's own specialty pay from battalion on up.

Response by SN Jeffrey White made Feb 24 at 2021 5:33 PM

SN Jeffrey White — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 17:33:06 -0500

I think the entire system needs to be re-evaluated. A system that does away with Officers and Enlisted would be better. In the old sailing days enlisted rarely could write and had little to no education. Officers were the educated and upper crust. Mainly because they could read and write, therefore could study tactics and write reports. Now we have a different world. The difference in education between High School and Collage doesn't warrant the separation between the Officer and Enlisted ranks. Most officers I knew were barely competent till they reached the rank of Commander.

We need a system with continuing education where Officers are chosen from the top performing Chiefs.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Feb 25 at 2021 7:01 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 19:01:31 -0500

Too many paygrades now

Response by MCPO Daniel Meffen made Feb 27 at 2021 8:26 PM

MCPO Daniel Meffen — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 20:26:14 -0500

There is he is called MCPON!!

Response by MCPO George Mixon made Jun 30 at 2021 1:21 PM

MCPO George Mixon — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:21:14 -0400

There is one E10 in each service. Navy is the MCPON

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Jul 1 at 2021 7:56 AM

Cpl Vic Burk — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:56:52 -0400

The Marine Corps has an E-10, only one, the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 1 at 2021 12:11 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 12:11:53 -0400

E8 and E9 were mistakes. NCOs are supposed to be enlisted men. What they do now is carry a clip board for Officers. I recall being overrun in Vietnam. All of the Officers and E8&9s were at meetings and got back to take the names of the dead