Will today's strike in Syria change the way NK/China thinks or acts in their respective AOs?

SN Greg Wright — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:50:35 -0400

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Apr 7 at 2017 12:01 AM

SSG Trevor S. — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:01:08 -0400

They at least a have a few things to consider. The real question is, will they start a bluffing game? We know North Korea knows it is suicide to storm the DMZ. Will they try to provoke a response for international sympathy?

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 12:05 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:05:47 -0400

SN Greg Wright They know that we mean business. Both countries will push the boundaries as far as they can.

Response by SSgt Gary Andrews made Apr 7 at 2017 12:10 AM

SSgt Gary Andrews — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:10:38 -0400

Good question. I don't think it changes anything for China......they are a big dog, and they know it. Business as usual for them. But North Korea is another thing entirely. They are run by a madman, who may think he will be next, prompting a first strike against us and/or our allies in the region. Hope not......but that's a possibility.

Response by SN Earl Robinson made Apr 7 at 2017 12:11 AM

SN Earl Robinson — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:11:58 -0400

Let's hope so!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 12:21 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 00:21:28 -0400

Ummmm.......NO

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Apr 7 at 2017 3:34 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 03:34:08 -0400

Yes. They will realize that Obama is no longer there to push around.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Apr 7 at 2017 6:13 AM

Cpl Jeff N. — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 06:13:16 -0400

China take a very long view on everything, even NK. While I am sure the Chinese government are no big fans of the regime, the regime does serve one very useful purpose. They are a complete distraction in the region that allows China to get away with more, like building islands in the South China Sea while the world frets, justifiably, about a nuclear NK.

Any time you become less predictable it can play to your advantage. Decisive action and boldness does cause others to at least consider your response. If you never do anything of any consequence (as we have done the previous 8 years) they know they can continue to push and they will.

60 cruise missiles is not a game changer in Syria. It is really to force Russia to make Assad play within some boundaries and norms. I don't think we have any hope of anyone but Assad and Russia winning their civil war so this is about managing the way it is won, not changing the outcome.

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Apr 7 at 2017 6:14 AM

CW4 Guy Butler — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 06:14:05 -0400

Good question, now that the "easy" parts's out of the way. What we and others do next will go a long way towards answering it.

Russia has pulled out of the Syrian air deconfliction agreement and called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council. I've got no idea what the US next steps are.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Apr 7 at 2017 6:30 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 06:30:13 -0400

Hopefully it makes the set back and take notice.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Apr 7 at 2017 6:37 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 06:37:08 -0400

Doubt it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 6:59 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 06:59:11 -0400

Not at all. I think they see, as I would, its not to hard to push the POTUS to get him to act. I really think he is attacking Syria off of emotions from seeing them dead kids. I hope he and his advisors have come up with COAs if and when Iran and Russia gets involved.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Apr 7 at 2017 7:15 AM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:15:44 -0400

No!

Response by SPC Kevin Ford made Apr 7 at 2017 7:46 AM

SPC Kevin Ford — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:46:47 -0400

What NK, China and a lot of other countries are likely looking at is how a single event can quickly cause the POTUS to abandon previous statements and act differently. Some may say that he acted decisively but another way to look at it is he acted emotionally, brashly and in a reactionary manner. If I were a foreign power I'd be calculating how easy it would be to goad him into one action or another, particularly players like China.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Apr 7 at 2017 7:59 AM

Col Joseph Lenertz — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:59:09 -0400

A little, I think. The world will take a while to adjust to renewed leadership policies by the US. As allies begin to see consistency in the way we treat our friends and enemies, they will be increasingly on board with us. As adversaries see action in alignment with policy, then diplomacy and deterrence starts to become effective again. Nice to see so many other nations jump in with support for the strike.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Apr 7 at 2017 8:39 AM

MAJ John Douglas — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 08:39:02 -0400

The message to our enemies is even with Russians present, even with your protectors hanging around, whoever that might be, they can not protect you from America now if we want to come after you. Trump never even called Putin ahead of the attack and the Chinese President was sitting right next to him having dinner. How bold is that? If we need to do something, we will do it regardless of who your friends are. I guarantee you everyone got the message.

Response by LTC Orlando Illi made Apr 7 at 2017 8:40 AM

LTC Orlando Illi — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 08:40:45 -0400

This reminded me of the scene in Godfather 1 when Michael was acting as Godfather in the Church and all his enemies were liquidated. Imagine now how the Chinese felt when Trump pulled the trigger while breaking won-ton with the Chinese. Nothing personal just business

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Apr 7 at 2017 8:57 AM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 08:57:56 -0400

I hope so.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Apr 7 at 2017 10:56 AM

MAJ James Woods — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 10:56:45 -0400

Nope. China and North Korea will continue to do what they are doing. Completely different situations, conditions, and end games.

Response by CPL Eric Escasio made Apr 7 at 2017 11:30 AM

CPL Eric Escasio — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 11:30:01 -0400

I hope so because if not well just have to prove them wrong in their doubts once again. That is something for us to live with especially our military personnel.

Response by SFC Timothy N. Livengood made Apr 7 at 2017 12:11 PM

SFC Timothy N. Livengood — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 12:11:57 -0400

Simply curious as to how Soviets will respond. Putin seems to have threatened consequences on the US if we interfered.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2017 12:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 12:46:21 -0400

People keep saying "now they know we have a leader who will act."

Odd but Obama asked Congress for permission to conduct strikes in Syria in 2013 and the Republicans said no.

Just one of many articles from 2013: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

"Although Congressional leaders hailed his decision to seek the permission of lawmakers who had been clamoring for a say, the turnabout leaves Mr. Obama at the political mercy of House Republicans, many of whom have opposed him at every turn and have already suggested that Syria’s civil war does not pose a threat to the United States."

Nothing has changed in the last four years. This isn't the first time children have been killed in attacks. So what's changed in the opinions of these Republicans who are now hailing Pres Trump? Pres Obama was willing to strike Syria but he wanted approval from Congress first which should be done in these situations. Now they don't even care that he didn't ask for permission but "informed" them. Yes that's all the Pres has to do if using the War Powers Act.

Plus there are tweets from Republicans in 2013 who say "stay out of Syria it's not our problem" and now they say "Good job Pres Trump. We need to show them we mean business." But why not four years ago? Really nothing has changed in Syria since then to warrant this except a change in the presidency. That's it.

Does anyone truly think that this will stop Assad or will make anyone else view the US differently?

In 1998 Pres Clinton ordered missile strikes in Afghanistan after the Kenya and Tanzania bombings and to get bin Laden. Retaliation and to stop further attacks were the reasons for this...but what happened just three years later? 9/11. So it would seem in that case that the strikes ultimately backfired and didn't prevent further attacks.

Why do people think that more violence and war is going to cure or stop the current violence or war? You think a dictator really cares about that - especially when it sounds like they were warned about the attack and had time to move equipment?

If the government removes Assad who replaces him? Or are we going to create yet another power vacuum in the Middle East and embroil ourselves into yet another quagmire? We have yet to finish Afghanistan or Iraq. 16 and 14 years at war and we haven't had enough?

The time for action was when this civil war started - now nothing is going to really stop it. The US government needs to stop intruding in affairs in the Middle East because it does nothing but create bigger messes. Deposing leaders - even dictators - isn't our job or our business.

Remember the last time we removed a dictator...

Obama Seeks Approval by Congress for Strike in Syria

President Obama abruptly changed course by asking lawmakers, who are not due to return to town for more than a week, to give him authorization before he launches a limited military strike against Syria.

Response by CPO Bill Penrod made Apr 7 at 2017 1:34 PM

CPO Bill Penrod — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 13:34:37 -0400

China is China if Trump comes in and levels North Korea they would probably be relieved. China is fighting an economic war............

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Apr 7 at 2017 2:37 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 14:37:27 -0400

I don't know. That guy is pretty loony. But China may start putting pressure on him now.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2017 7:46 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 19:46:08 -0400

KIM Fattie the 3rd Will be hiding in his Fuhrerbunker for the foreseeable future so we won't be able to track his diabetic condition and the Syrian strike make him stress out more leading fattie to have more health issues.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2017 9:15 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 21:15:15 -0400

Doubtful. China thinks in terms of centuries, not days, and NK is starving. Maybe less so with China since they have gotten a taste of capitalism, but the old line Party folks were not impressed or frightened at all. It may have been an attention gainer while visiting the resort but that's about it. They have plenty of unoccupied buildings made of concrete, and that's about all that was damaged at Al-Sharyat. It will take some skillful financial work to gain their attention and they already hold a large chunk of our debt and real estate.

Repost from another forum: First test of POTUS on using arms. The less talk the better. He has ridiculed others for telegraphing actions besides. Actions speak louder than words and words that aren't backed up lower credibility and give the target defensive options. Actions need to be thought through first. They have already mentioned taking out Assad's air force and have now launched approx. 60 Tomahawks. If they are sure Assad is responsible and can no longer work with him then targeting him is likely the best COA in the future. After this preliminary strike he should figure out that we mean business. Forget the usual "power vacuum" argument that has hamstrung operations in the past; such as with Aidid in Somalia and others. If so compelled they could let him know his days are numbered unless he ceases with the behavior. After that use PGM's from platform with lowest probability of US kill or capture. Whether it's drone munitions, SLCM(s) or other if he can be adequately lazed they will have a high probability of success. Any successors will likely be more receptive to abiding by rules and the matter will work itself out internally. The Russians should figure out that it's not in their best interest to be closely embedded and take a less aggressive stance with their support of any future regime.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2017 11:32 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Apr 2017 23:32:03 -0400

Something to think about:
Which side is right?
Answer: none of them are. The goal should be to eliminate those factions hell-bent on chaos (ISIS, Al-Nusra/Khorasan/ Al Queda) and get the rest to figure out a peaceful transition of power to a duly elected government. Probably will take a power sharing agreement to pull off.
Note what appear to be conflicts of interests in the attached chart, actually are more in line with their national interests. Everyone is on their own team, not "Us, them and Assad".

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Apr 9 at 2017 1:01 AM

PO1 Jack Howell — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 01:01:22 -0400

I would say no, unless the U.S> were to take more drastic and forceful measures

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2017 5:49 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:49:46 -0400

I think maybe that along with the Carl Vinson Strike Group turning around and returning to the waters off the Korean Peninsula might at least give the little fat boy some pause - it will give his generals and admirals some pause, I'm certain.

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Apr 13 at 2017 3:43 PM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:43:45 -0400

It isn't going to happen. But, China may have a word or two with the Little Fat Boy. Seems China is putting 150K troops along the PDRK/China boarder, The USS Carl Vinson, CVN-70, is just a rouge to take NK's attention away from the Chinese boarder. China wants a regime change, putting in their own puppet, but even that will be better for the Korean people. If the North Koreans blow up a nuke tomorrow (North Korean time) in a tunnel (I sure hope they seal it up), that will give China all the excuse they need to invade or bomb the country. We shall see.
The US will not bomb NK, I am sure Presidents Trump and Xi made some type of deal on trade and if China can stop the PDRK nuke and missile programs that they can have North Korea down to the 38th parallel.

Response by MAJ John Douglas made Apr 20 at 2017 1:15 PM

MAJ John Douglas — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:15:42 -0400

The North Korean dough boy is so insulated from reality and is so surrounded with yes men that he has no clue as to reality. He lives in pure luxury with the national treasury as his bank account, the finest of everything. Meanwhile his countrymen starve. He probably is immune from common sense and from recognizing the warning signs all around him.

Response by 1stSgt Edward Jackson made Apr 27 at 2017 2:13 PM

1stSgt Edward Jackson — Thu, 27 Apr 2017 14:13:22 -0400

President Trump fired some 59 Tomahawks onto a Syrian Air Force Base, then dropped a MOAB in the mountains of Afghanistan. The PDRK did not flinch. But China and Russia noticed, so did the rest of the world.
What North Korea did notice is the USS Carl Vinson CVN-Surface Action Group
(CVN, Aegis class CGs, DDGs, SSNs, UNREP warships). They thought the Carl Vinson was off their coast all this time, but President Trump had the SAG simply take their time to get to NK waters, picking up Japanese warships and training crews along the way. Why did this work? Because NK does not have the ability to detect warships along their coast if they are more than 100 km, 62 miles away. NK also did not detect B-1Bs and B-52Hs flying in South Korea 100 km south of the DMZ, either. They know about the THAAD deployment and the fact China doesn't like the THAAD deployment, but hasn't done anymore than protest. The North Koreans are more worried about 150,000 Chinese troops now massing on their boarder, and the Russians massing troops on their short 11 mile long boarder with Russia.
North Korean is fully surrounded, and they know it. Their artillery demonstration this week didn't fool anyone. They used up valuable live ammo, and only fired from the beach to an island just 3 clicks away.
If the US were to strike the PDRK (which I doubt), we won't use to many nukes. Except for the area around Pyongyang, nukes would be ineffective, the country is just to mountainous for nukes to be used. Maybe that's why the non-nuclear capable B-1Bs are in South Korea. Also of interest is the 'visit' to South Korea of the USS Michigan, SSGN-727. She carries up to 154 Tomahawks missiles, an ASW capability (I'm sure we have some SSN fast attack subs there, too), and a capability to insert and extract Navy SEALs and other SpecOps forces, undetected. President Trump is using the news media (who hates him) to let all this information out in public.
I hope the Little Fat Boy takes notice of what is going on around him. He does not want to 'lose face', but he already has, he just may not know it yet.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 10 at 2017 3:16 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Wed, 10 May 2017 15:16:30 -0400

Good Graph

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Jun 25 at 2017 1:40 PM

SFC Charles Temm — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:40:18 -0400

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Jul 16 at 2017 4:25 AM

SGT Joseph Alanzo — Sun, 16 Jul 2017 04:25:10 -0400

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Jul 31 at 2017 12:05 AM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 00:05:41 -0400

China? I doubt it made any difference. Iran though they have continued with their bluster and bravado, are not idiots, and I have no doubt the took note. North Korea? I am sure they took note, but it does not seem to have changed anything. I would consider them the most dangerous of all regimes today, simply because we can not expect a rational response or action from them. Most countries you can expect to act in a way that is in their best interests and which they perceive to best assure their survival. I have a feeling NK really thinks they can take on the US and win.

Response by Henning Heinemann made Oct 4 at 2017 8:55 PM

Henning Heinemann — Wed, 04 Oct 2017 20:55:02 -0400

No, you have to understand what the fight is about Big Picture wise. Remember, if you want to find a way to really win, you have to understand the mind of your enemy and accept that view as a reality, you have no option, because that is the reality you’re going into combat against. In order to do that you have to look at American History from the Communist point of view, so here you go:

The Bolsheviks fought the same Revolution as did the American Founding Fathers, a Revolution against the Aristocracy and their Feudal economy. Their ethics were what inspired Karl Marx, he just evolved their thinking into an industrial society rather than an agrarian one as the United States were.

Unfortunately most Americans don’t understand that we surrendered the American Revolution December 23, 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act, with that all the Founders’ ethics and economics ceased to exist along with Capitalism. You see, to have Capitalism you have to have resource based currency and competitive market providing the resources for that currency. The Federal Reserve Act ended all that, and we started paying Income Tax to the Aristocracy to provide us with debt based currency provided by their financial corporation, Rothschild Group which all of our Reserve Banks are part of, which there is no American Government representation over the management of, and it was all done in our debt. This put us in the exact situation that cased Founders to revolt when it was decreed as a 3% Tax on paper money in The Stamp Act. What failed the Founders Economic rules was the Industrial Revolution and basing currency on Gold And silver. The Industrial Revolution required more capital than the miners could produce. After the Civil War JS Morgan started importing the Aristocracy’s capital back into the US economy and used it to seed all the industrialists of the Gilded Age giving birth to the Robber Barons and the Aristocracy’s court in America. This in turn led to the Federal Reserve Act ceding the economy back to London control and putting en end to the American rebellion.

That is why we got into WWI, we had to protect our London based capital supply. Now WWI was just an extension of the Crimean War, an Aristocracy family feud over which family controls which oilfield profits. Remember the Founders told us to stay out of Europe’s wars, because they knew all these other countries needed and would have the same Revolutions against Feudalism; the time had come in the evolution of mankind that it had to end. Instead we got involved in WWI, and thereby bringing about a defeat that allowed the extraordinarily punitive terms in the Treaty of Versailles, Remember, the Germans didn’t start the war, however, the Windsors are a German family that just recently changed their name to Windsor. This was more Family Feud over oilfield control, and in that period is when we helped them Gerrymander the Middle East which started the wars we are currently fighting.

The Federal Reserve Act also opened up the markets for Consumer Debt, which lead to the The Great Depression.

When the economic conditions of the ToV combined with the Great Depression, there was mass hunger in Germany, this provided the perfect breeding ground for Hitler to come to power. When you make people starve, you start wars, that’s what started the current war in Syria. So in their view, Hitler coming to power was much our fault. Had we not signed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913, in 1917 when the Bolsheviks had their revolution it would have been all high fives and mankind’s situation would be much different today. You see, all these borders, they are all artificial, there is only one mankind, unfortunately we’ve given control over humanity to a few families who believe they have the God given right to take advantage of everyone and control all the global resources. That’s why the Founders said “Stay out of Europe’s wars”.

Our treatment of the Soviets in the war, allowing them to incur years of heavy casualties and fighting before starting a second front to give them some relief in a modified Divide and Conquer method, and the treatment as an enemy in the closing of the war, is what created the Cold War, which is just perfect to maintain feudal economies. The Aristocracy only knows War and tyranny. They don’t have any other economic tricks, they are a one trick pony. The Founders understood this perfectly, hence, “Stay out of Europe’s wars.”

We now operate our economy purely on debt; every dollar of private profit is a dollar of public debt, debt that is supposed to “trickle down” through the economy as our lords in London and their court on Wall Street sees fit. Consequently, this is also the cause of most of our domestic problems such as engineered racism. Here’s a brief articulated on the start of that: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/09/fair-st-louis-and-the-veiled-prophet/379460/

We now consume 50% of the global resources traded for nothing more than debt, and we leave the 60% of the world that provides us those resources hungry and in destitute poverty. If they don’t want to trade for our debt and get into our Ponzi scheme global economy that is all managed by one corporation (aka New World Order ala GHW Bush’s inaugural address), we make sure they’re going to live in the Stone Age, and if they don’t, we’ll bomb them into it. You see, that’s how Feudalism works, the simple literal definition is rule by winning the fight.

You see, the Communists never had anything against America, and between WWI and WWII it was a popular concept in America because it correlated with our own Labor Movement. It was not until the 50s that we were instructed that Communists were the enemy and we imprisoned and ruined people for it. However, after WWII we made them an enemy because they were a threat to the Aristocracy Rule over the global economy, so we went into an arms race that assured their resource based economy would be unable to thrive. The only reason we won was because we use made up money.

However we didn’t really win, Perestroika was a change in strategy after watching the results China was seeing. The Chinese are a much older and wiser civilization than any in the west, the world‘s oldest. When Nixon was sent over to open trade and create a billion new consumers to bring into the Ponzi scheme, they seized the opportunity to use the Aristocracy’s own greed to defeat them by playing ball. You see, a Ponzi Scheme always needs fresh blood or eventually it collapses; China was basically a wide open market to tripple the consumer base, all they had to do was build up the Chinese economy. The simplest and most profitable way to do that was to move American and European manufacturing to China, and this played perfectly in timing to the investment they would have had to make to upgrade American manufacturing to meet the new environmental regulations.

Not only did the Chinese take advantage of western investment, they borrowed heavily for internal infrastructure improvements. They have built entire new cities to deal with future needs and have undertaken major infrastructure, especially energy, upgrades. Understanding that all the money we handed them for consumer goods was completely faith based, they treated it like a hot potato and started buying foreign, including American, resources with it from mineral rights, industrial and agricultural capacity, even transportation infrastructure. They have been building infrastructure to improve the lives of the people in those countries that trade with us, but we allow to suffer.

China has been making friends globally, where we have created enemies, all for someone else’s profit to be trickled down to us. China has reared their own approved “Reserve Currency” recognized by the IMF. China has been securing the sea approaches to the Asian oilfields, and NK has been providing a nice distraction. And most importantly, China still remembers the Opium Wars, and is looking to settle that score. That is their goal, to end the Aristocracy’s ability to screw over mankind and all they have to do is collapse Rothschild Group to do it. Likewise the Russians have a similar goal; and guess what? So does Trump, they made him an enemy 30 years ago when they excluded him from the court and wouldn’t give him sponsored play in the global Game of Most, a seat on the top line of the Ponzi scheme that we consider the meaning of life and the most sacred thing to defend. We have turned the Founder’s Freedom into the Freedom to compete to consume the most, climb over and squash down as many people as we can to get as much luxury as possible. This is also the view the Islamists share of our society after WWI. We are not the enemy directly, but we are the 900lb Gorilla that is protecting and serving their enemy.

Now there is only one thing that keeps the western economy valid, and that is the Petrodollar Scheme. All the pieces are in place to collapse it, all they have to do is get the oil producing nations to drop the Petrodollar and shift to PetroYuan, and they succeed. The question is can it be achieved without starting a nuclear war against a society that expects, and even looks forward to, Armageddon? Most possible if there is a concurrent Civil War in America, and we’re getting there. If they allow a limited nuclear war with NK, that would probably do the trick as well because after one nuke EMPs over the US, we won’t be in shape to fight China and win, all we will be able to do is force a tie though extinction. We may do that, but they’re betting against it. Personally at this point I think it’s a bad bet, and I don’t see Trump ordering it because I think he has a deai in place for himself, but there are many more powers in play so it’s a risky bet IMO, but my opinion doesn’t really count here.

When one looks at the state of the world and what it needs for humanity to evolve and move forward, it becomes pretty obvious, food, water, and energy; for all humanity, not just “us”.

There is a way to come out of this all as “winners” though, but it requires getting back to the Founders Resource Based Economics and Anti Feudal ethics. Fortunately we have a technological advantage the Founders didn’t, and that is a scarcity proof commodity that would automatically adjust the capital supply with the capital requirements of society any scale, and that is to use Hydrogen as the backing resource. If set up correctly, we can change from trickle down economics to bubble up economics, where everyone who can still pee, can literally create money. This will finally make even the concept of Usury irrelevant. The Hydrogen Revolution is a revolution of irrelevance, taking the source of the power of tyranny and replacing it with something that serves all of society, including the wealthy themselves (professor Nash proved this in his Equilibrium), better than the current system does. A system that doesn’t waste resources and lives on wars, and force slave labor and suffering, to assure maximum profits for the 1%; while simultaneously securing the global food, water, and energy resources.

If we retasked the Military Industrial Complex and gave them the same budgets they get for war, we could have the infrastructure built out globally to make it happen. With that done and the waste of resources ended, we can finally afford to pursue moving into space, which is where we would be had we not surrendered the Revolution in 1913.

Only when you look through the eyes of your enemy and accept your roll in them being an enemy, can you find lasting solutions that work for everyone.
It’s a tually pretty easy to do even.

Urbanagandenergy.org/how/

Now, the thing I wonder is, “Did anyone read this far?” Lol.

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Response by CW2 Michael Mullikin made Oct 8 at 2017 2:21 PM

CW2 Michael Mullikin — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 14:21:36 -0400

No, to far away and neither "have a dog in that fight."

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Oct 16 at 2017 1:59 PM

Sgt Heriberto Salinas — Mon, 16 Oct 2017 13:59:54 -0400

I have worked in a co-ed environment, where anytime the women hear about a war outbreak, they freak out. Women who have served in the military don't react the way the civilian women do, when they hear about a scirmish. That might be a point as ro where to start. The subject of war to a person who has never served, is interpretively different to one who has. I think this were we come in. We need to engage in conversation with those who don't know what's going on, as far why we need to go to war, and when. You and I both have to agree on the phrase that the POTUS has coined, "fake news ". As I hear the news report what's going on in countries, that we're problems with, I almost always go to someone who's from there, (born and raised ) or someone who just came from there, to get a better perspective. So, when we or one of our allies engages in a battle of some sort I have a better understanding as to why we did what we did, as opposed to what I hear on TV (fake news ).

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Oct 17 at 2017 2:06 AM

SPC Byron Skinner — Tue, 17 Oct 2017 02:06:09 -0400

Sp4 Byron Skinner What happens in Syria means ,title if anything to China or NKorea. Two different wars. Syria is a tactical ground war in Syria with Tactical air for support to to hit specific targets. A war with China by necessity would be a Navy war and depending where it moves for the initial points of contact would determine if a war with China would be regional or Global. I doubt if China has the C6 to conduct outside its physical boundaries. NKorea if it has a nuclear weapon which id doubtful would be a one shot deal. The US retaliation would be massive but limited to NKorea. What the US would do after with the corpse of NKorea is not even being speculated on. Most likely China and Russia would have to conduct reconstruction. The operative issue here is only one man can press a button and have nuclear weapons in the w ay to specific targets anywhere in the world. The US has at se and in silos enough nuclear power to disable NKorea to destroy the country as in Germany in WW II, no the US doesn't have that much nuclear power on line.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Oct 24 at 2017 11:09 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Tue, 24 Oct 2017 23:09:17 -0400

Sp4 Byron Skinner. I've been seeing this question a lot lately but fir the life of me I can't see any motive for China to put a foot print in the Mediterranean. The Russian already have a 50 year agreement with the Assad Government. With the taking of (?) Raqqah it would appear that there is no reason to continue the undeclared war in Iran. Some of you might say the Kurds, read the newspapers for the third time since 1991 the US will back away for a promise to the Kurds and dump them.

China does gave an interest in the international shipping channels along the the coast of Africa which the Chinese are their problem addressing with a base in Bahrain. I know the US 5th. Fleet is HQ'ed in Bahrain, it has been kicked out.

The Chinese are in the process of building a joint Naval Base, Air Base and the home of at least two Divisions of the PLA. The second wave of ground troops were brought inn in the start of October. Current;t that would bring up the PLA in Bahrain to about a reenforced Regiment. The Navy all of the new ships coming off down the way are going to Bahrain which already has home ported two Destroyers (055) one new Corvette (056) and will receive about half of the new Corvette (0X). Submarines are still being though out about bit it is most likely the Submarines based in Bahrain will be Kilo II's. No Carriers or Nuclear Submarines are being considered at this time.

The other Chinese formation that will likely be bases in Bahrain is an Amphibious flotilla for their small Marine (Naval Infantry) force, a separate PLA Reserve heave armor RegimentThe air base will look very much like a US expedition force. backboned by the J-11 and attack helicopters. THe bad along with service and support troops looks like it could get to 7,500 PLA personal.

This is what think is on the Chinese agenda. President XI now has five years to become another Mao or just another post Mao politician? At this time in history Syria has nothing for China but problems. For the US the issue is to rebuild all of these half million population we reduced to san and gravel.

Response by SPC Ray Hicks made Oct 27 at 2017 2:44 PM

SPC Ray Hicks — Fri, 27 Oct 2017 14:44:04 -0400

the question you pose is too generalized for a specific answer without the consideration of where our foes are coming from. China's leadership circles is more calculating and logical in it's responses ,henceforth in that They will have a more predicted measured response. Where as, "Little Rocketman" ? is the only top dog with no real balance of the power structure if any . One has to consider his upbringing . Before he became numero uno. he lived a spoiled, catered to murderous (killed his sibling / brother) basically a brat with no limitations or boundaries in his upbringing And playing video games , which btw is illegal or restricted to the slave populace . And as we all know video games has been proven to psychologically , rewire the brain. Just try to take away a controller from a child at dinner / bed time . Now give that same child thermonuclear ICBMs . See my point ! 1st strike on NK is the only possible favorable outcome ..for us and the free world Just like the school yard bullies who chase you beat you up & take your lunch money , or the annoying little dog who gets its jollies nipping your ankles as you walk away . Not untill you turn an kick the little "Sxxx" machine. No , I'm not referring to animal cruelty in any way NK has never adhered to any or kept any agreement ...just like Iran Hang on folks our future will be a bumpy ride .

Response by SFC Tony Bennett made Oct 31 at 2017 6:28 PM

SFC Tony Bennett — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:28:53 -0400

Probably about as much as the last one,,,,,,,,,,,not at all.

Response by CWO2 James Mathews made Nov 4 at 2017 1:19 AM

CWO2 James Mathews — Sat, 04 Nov 2017 01:19:21 -0400

Well, in my view, NK will never waver until they are severely damaged enough so that their brain-washed populace will rise against him! It is now rumored that NO is or has prepared bombs containing materials to release massive disease causing elements which are in many ways more effective than nuclear weapons. The NK eel well be mad for power and recognition, but they are not stupid, and they, as Asiatics have a car different culture than we enjoy, so their ways and means are far different than our own. Those veterans who have served in Asiatic countries will back my comments certainly! NEVER I underestimate your opposition! Seek not to "conquer"but rather to change! Know your enemy better than yourself!

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Nov 22 at 2017 6:53 PM

SGT Joseph Alanzo — Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:53:29 -0500

OH HELL NO

Response by MCPO Lee Oslund made Nov 26 at 2017 10:54 PM

MCPO Lee Oslund — Sun, 26 Nov 2017 22:54:34 -0500

Over the past ten months I've been troubled by what I've seen vis a vis how we treat our allies vs. how we seem to cozy up to our, for lack of a better word, opponents. First case in point, the Kurds. They've fought by our side since the beginning of the war in Iraq starting in 2003, then beside us fighting ISIS, now we've essentially kicked them to the curb in favor of Turkey who has been very cozy with the Russians. POTUS is very friendly and cozies up to China despite his rhetoric during the campaign. Also, not to be forgotten is a seemingly friendly relationship with Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines. Nor will he say much other than friendly things about Russia.
If I were an ally I, personally, would not place much confidence in the U.S. right now.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Dec 3 at 2017 2:57 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 14:57:20 -0500

Sp4 Byron Skinner. This is an old question I think in the short term on has to say no impact on the actions of either China. The long term is a bit different story though. With China developing its first overseas military base in Bahrain and the country of Bahrain asking the US to take its 5th. Fleet HQ'ed in Bahrain an get out. IN decades to come this could make China ac competitive power in the Middle East. NKorea is a long way for developing a permeant interest in the Middle East, it's just to small and too poor to be thinking outside its own borders. The big player of course is Russia who is in the process of taking over Syria. As it looks now now President Assad will be a Russian Colonial puppet until he dies either of natural causes or prematurely. A Russian Battle Flotilla in the Mediterranean Sea will definitely change the mission of the 6th. Fleet. With at the added ship and manpower pressure in the Pacific this could become a real problem area for the USNavy. Don't look for China to be an international military player until after mid Century and the it will fill fourth or fifth spot behind Japan and India.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Dec 3 at 2017 3:11 PM

SFC Jim Ruether — Sun, 03 Dec 2017 15:11:06 -0500

If you and your girlfriend were on a date and you hauled off and slapped her hard on the face would it change the way your girlfriend thought about dates with you?

Response by Sgt Heriberto Salinas made Dec 31 at 2017 1:54 PM

Sgt Heriberto Salinas — Sun, 31 Dec 2017 13:54:07 -0500

Now try to think at an international level. What does this accomplish? Do our adversaries back down? What is our agenda as opposed to the UN's agenda? I guess what I'm asking all of us to see is what chess piece does the US represent?

Response by SPC Joe Davenport made Jan 13 at 2018 3:48 PM

SPC Joe Davenport — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:48:28 -0500

You think they have not done their own evaluations? Now China's will be a lot more fact based than North Korea BUT both have done them. China has much more to lose (like economic and political collapse if trade is impacted). So they will continue to thread the needle. Fact is though very soon their need for the US as a pillar of their trade will ebb and we will have less traction as they phase out the era of labor for US brands and the products are more and more Chinese top to bottom.