With the creation of the UCMJ "uniform" "military" why are there still different branches?

PO3 Aaron Hassay — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:30:09 -0400

1 bootcamp with different MOS/Rate after be it land or sea or air or space

There must be many positives to the budget by solving unnecessary duplication.

In bootcamp and beyond you can still talk about history when the military used to have Navy dungarees or the Army used horses, or when there was no Air Force or Navy at all, and all battles were fought on land.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Aug 23 at 2020 5:43 PM

SP5 Peter Keane — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:43:43 -0400

You are aware that the UCMJ defines the military justice system and lists criminal offenses under military law and has nothing to do with Uniform military, right ?

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made Aug 23 at 2020 5:44 PM

SCPO Morris Ramsey — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:44:54 -0400

Sounds like you want us to look like Canada. No thank you. Plus the UCMJ has nothing to do with the different branches of our military other than the Uniform application of justice. BTW all of the UCMJ is not equally applicable to all branches of service.

Response by Maj John Bell made Aug 23 at 2020 6:35 PM

Maj John Bell — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:35:25 -0400

Off the top of my head, the nation's defense is well served by different services with different perspectives.

However, I think if you want to change from the way it is now, to something else; the burden is on you. What is to be gained by no longer having separate services?

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2020 6:48 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:48:09 -0400

The different branches of the service have missions designed specifically for them to accomplish.

Response by SSG Dennis R. made Aug 23 at 2020 9:13 PM

SSG Dennis R. — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:13:43 -0400

I've often wondered why each service had to have its' own schools for MOS's that exist across each branch.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Aug 23 at 2020 9:25 PM

SSG Brian G. — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:25:12 -0400

Different branches for different missions and objectives. Sure the Air Force sprung from the Army and the Marine Corps and Coast Guard sprang from the Navy and these two were always separate but they did not have the same objectives, thus they did not need the same training.

Sure, there are positives like the bct being more uniform, elimination of 5 rank structures and converged into one, convergence of jobs into one set.

But the negatives outweigh the positives. One command structure means one way of thinking rather than giving multiples, far too much confusion in the transition and merging of five forces and the need to bring what would not be substandard forces up to what would be the combat minimum.

The UCMJ has nothing to do with making the military all alike, but rather creates and codifies laws that are the same across all branches.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2020 11:38 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Aug 2020 23:38:20 -0400

This is comparing apples to oranges. The Army, by itself, has 5 different locations with different training plans at some of them. It would be impossible to train a generic plan that would help proficiency. You would get a lot of poor trained service members.

Response by MSgt Don VandeBogert made Aug 24 at 2020 9:24 AM

MSgt Don VandeBogert — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:24:34 -0400

Sir, I believe you missed the point of each service's respective "bootcamp".

They exist to create a "basically trained" Sailor, Soldier, Airman or Marine. Each is tailered specific to that services needs and prepares those basically trained individuals for their next level of training.

V/R
Bogie

Response by LCDR Joshua Gillespie made Aug 24 at 2020 9:28 AM

LCDR Joshua Gillespie — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:28:58 -0400

The "rational" answer is that each branch simply has too many different requirements to accommodate a "one size fits all" approach.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2020 6:55 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:55:22 -0400

The word "Uniform" in Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) means that if you are a Private in the Army or Marine Corps, or a Seaman in the Navy or Coast Guard, or an Airman in the Air Force, or yet to be named whatever equivalent in the Space Force, and you punched your commanding officer resulting in the same type of injury to each commanding officer, then in perfect application the charge would be the same (uniform) and the punishment limits would be the same (uniform) in each case.

Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Aug 25 at 2020 1:39 AM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 01:39:18 -0400

Others have addressed the differences in forces and a uniform code.
So now—Imaging the following simple scenarios.
An Army aviation officer takes command of a carrier and is expected to now know all the seagoing order of battle, rules of the sea, and ship capabilities. A Navy shipdriver is expected to command an Army brigade in land operations. Expect a Air Force Officer fighter pilot to operate off a carrier.
A basic principle within the Navy Officer structure is that all line officers are to strive for command at sea (this has been somewhat modified). We have surface (Cruisers, destroyers, amphibious), carrier and submarine sea going forces. Each has specific missions and capabilities that are far different from an Army or Air Force order of battle.

Now an individual joins a “one force” system...more so than Canada. Is there one boot camp that will school a member for service in all aspects and later specialize? So in basic does the person learn basic what ? Shipboard life is not nearly the same as in Army or Air Force. Look at the Marines, they have (or did) the crucible at the end of boot. Would the Marines save that for after boot or would all go through it and at the expense of learning shipboard firefighting? Why in the world would the other services take time for shipboard firefighting at the expense of something essential to their mission?

There was a time when the Navy was in jeopardy of losing its air arm to the Air Force. A B-52 pilot commanding a carrier??? Even this destroyer sailor would dread that.

Response by SGM Willard Burfict made Oct 15 at 2020 1:13 PM

SGM Willard Burfict — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:13:45 -0400

We are so not like Walmart...The Esprit De Corp that come's with the different branches can't be touched, just awesome.

Response by SPC Andrew Murray made Oct 18 at 2020 10:35 AM

SPC Andrew Murray — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 10:35:47 -0400

Because the skills required for fighting on the ground are different from the skills for fighting in the air or sea

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Oct 19 at 2020 9:31 AM

SFC John Fourquet — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:31:54 -0400

How do you connect the uniform code of military justice to a uniform military?