With the impending APFT change to ACRT, how does this change with schools (e.g. OCS and such)?

2018-08-01T11:51:19-04:00

With the new PT tests coming in the future years how does it change for schools? Like OCS I’ve heard you have a PT following arrival at the school. With the high rate of those applying to the school and a 50 minutes max to take the test (subject to change with further testing). How does it affect the dynamic of getting let’s say a class of 200 through?

Response by MAJ Grant Gutkowski made Aug 1 at 2018 12:10 PM

2018-08-01T12:10:44-04:00

I'm sure the school will do it's best to continue to use the PT test as an eliminating factor. With the added complexity, comes new and interesting ways to make Soldiers suffer....like starting the PT test at 0300, and finishing at 2300. But don't you dare sleep while sitting under the summer sun....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 12:14 PM

2018-08-01T12:14:55-04:00

Like everything else in the army, when you're assigned an impossible task ncos figure out how to get it done.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 12:45 PM

2018-08-01T12:45:14-04:00

I read somewhere that it's expected a company should get through the ACRT in 2 hours. But should and what will happen are two different things.

I think people should wait and see how field testing goes. Everything from TRADOC said that events could change during field testing and a lot of things have to be figured out.

But if 200 people have to get through, they'll get 200 people through. They had over 200 in the ALC class when I was at SLC in Jan - Feb. We had 100 something. I'm sure there will be plan in place especially when someone from the TRADOC FB page was addressing questions on the USAWTF page when the announcement came out.

I think for this APFT in SLC when I went, we had to be outside at like 400 or something. I know that was a super early day.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 1:45 PM

2018-08-01T13:45:46-04:00

I have already made my concern about parity between RC/NG and AC regarding the new test. Now that your PT score is a factor in standing and class ranking, I think the AC Soldiers who potentially have more access and ability to train in the events will have an advantage.

I also wonder how much of a burden it will be on unit fitness teams and AGR staff to conduct 30 day out tests that most schools require

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 3:07 PM

2018-08-01T15:07:02-04:00

Also I have never once in my career thought AC had an advantage over RC. Just the opposite. It’s all about individual soldier initiative.......which this test will help highlight.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 3:22 PM

2018-08-01T15:22:14-04:00

There's a lot of uncertainty with the new test. Almost certainly there is going to be at least a whole day dedicated to getting everyone through the test.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 1 at 2018 3:32 PM

2018-08-01T15:32:51-04:00

The volume should be reflected by the number of graders.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Aug 1 at 2018 4:40 PM

2018-08-01T16:40:01-04:00

Team this is by no means our greatest challenge. TRADOC will build it into the carriculum and the Academy’s will pilot and execute. As for the Guard and Reserve vs. Active I will tell you that (when I ran the Sergeants major Academy) We hadfar more active duty failures in the initial exam than I did with their counterparts. Even during the resident phase of the non resident course (mostly Guard and Reserve) we had very few failures. Have no fear about the tenacity of all of our force, our men and women have steppped up until now and I am sure they will find a away into the future. What a great Army. Thank you for your service.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Aug 1 at 2018 7:37 PM

2018-08-01T19:37:01-04:00

No way to tell until it transitions in. They'll announce implementation dates via ALARACT or EXORD. They will figure out how to use the AcRT to discriminate the same way they figured out how to make sit-ups and push-ups not count at a 2:1 ratio when you get to PME courses. Just be ready. Focus on correct form and standards. You won't have any feedback on prep strategies until enough people go through it.