Posted on Jun 14, 2016
Would bum-rushing a shooter like Orlando be the best thing to do??
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I don't get it. 49 dead (not counting the shooter), and another 50 wounded. That's 100 people that got shot. If HALF of those people had rushed him, he would have never been able to shoot more than what he had in a single (or double, if he was shooting a gun in both hands) clip. Yes, people would have still died. But not nearly so many as did. Someone would have gotten to him as soon as his clip was empty, if not before. And then they'd pile on. If I thought I was going to die anyway, I'd like to think I'd at least try to get the bastard. Is it time that we start telling people to rush in situations like that? Would you?
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I agree with all who have posted.
In the Army, the "textbook" response to an ambush is to assault into the direction of the ambush.
In the Corrections world, it only takes 5 personnel to take down an aggressive prisoner. The first one has a riot shield (a table would work too) to slam into, stun, and pin down the prisoner, and each of the other 4 personnel each control a limb (hands, feet).
With some clear thinking, this can be accomplished. The problem is that not everyone thinks tactically like this. Unfortunately it is time that everyone START thinking about this. From my experience as a Corrections Officer, as a Soldier, and as a citizen who carries, whenever I go into any new place, I am looking for exits, cover, and routes to both. I ALWAYS look at people's facial expressions, body language, and way they move for any signs that something is about to go sideways. I treat every situation as a potential crisis. It's not a carefree way to go through life, but being oblivious to your surroundings is a great way to find yourself in a bad situation with no options.
In the Army, the "textbook" response to an ambush is to assault into the direction of the ambush.
In the Corrections world, it only takes 5 personnel to take down an aggressive prisoner. The first one has a riot shield (a table would work too) to slam into, stun, and pin down the prisoner, and each of the other 4 personnel each control a limb (hands, feet).
With some clear thinking, this can be accomplished. The problem is that not everyone thinks tactically like this. Unfortunately it is time that everyone START thinking about this. From my experience as a Corrections Officer, as a Soldier, and as a citizen who carries, whenever I go into any new place, I am looking for exits, cover, and routes to both. I ALWAYS look at people's facial expressions, body language, and way they move for any signs that something is about to go sideways. I treat every situation as a potential crisis. It's not a carefree way to go through life, but being oblivious to your surroundings is a great way to find yourself in a bad situation with no options.
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LTC Paul Labrador
Yup. Assaulting into an ambush is counterintuitive. Which is why the military has to pound it into you with training.
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People always say they would do so and most of us honestly believe it, but none of us actaully know how we would react in that exact "fight or flight" situation unless we live through it. Just think, how many people in that night club possibly asked themselves the same question after the last shooting but ended up hiding or fleeing instead? One of the victims was an OEF/OIF veteran and was just like many of us, yet for whatever reason, he was unable to stop it.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/06/14/army-reserve-captain-killed-in-mass-shooting-orlando-nightclub.html
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/06/14/army-reserve-captain-killed-in-mass-shooting-orlando-nightclub.html
Army Reserve Captain Killed in Mass Shooting at Orlando Nightclub
A U.S. Army Reserve officer was among those killed in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
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Not sure it would be the best thing but its damn sure better than waiting to get shot. SN Greg Wright
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1LT William Clardy
It requires prior coordination and unwavering commitment to succeed, SN Greg Wright. Individuals rushing sequentially are easily handled, which discourages others from hastening their own demise. The same applies when all but one or two hesitate at the critical moment.
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LTC (Join to see)
1LT William Clardy - I disagree, when I see something that need doing I don't need to coordinate or communicate with anyone with the possible exception of someone I am protecting. I develop a plan and act.
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1LT William Clardy
Overwhelming a gunman by rushing him is a numbers game much akin to the saturation tactics which formed the basis for Soviet Army tactics, LTC (Join to see). Success is based upon saturating the defender's ability to service targets, so you planning and acting alone would most likely result in you being shot as the only target needing to be engaged.
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