1SG Private RallyPoint Member 2132070 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Would it be a big safety concern to conduct a battalion size FTX with no vehicle recovery assets available? If not then how would I mitigate the risk ? 2016-12-04T14:31:24-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 2132070

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Would it be a big safety concern to conduct a battalion size FTX with no vehicle recovery assets available? If not then how would I mitigate the risk ?

2016-12-04T14:31:24-05:00 2016-12-04T14:31:24-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 2132076

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well with no wrecker only thing that would mitigate problems is tow bars or get support from another unit. I have done a battalion event with out a wrecker before and ended up running like 6 recoveries with tow bars. Now if a vehicle flipped or lost its suspension or axles ( LMTV or bigger) you might run into an issue and have to have the unit call a civilian tow truck. Just food for thought b

2016-12-04T14:36:46-05:00 2016-12-04T14:36:46-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 2132244

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Depending on terrain and driver&#39;s training you may be able to get away without wreckers, but you should really evaluate if you can safely use towbars at a minimum.

2016-12-04T15:53:02-05:00 2016-12-04T15:53:02-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 2132293

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Is there a regulation stating I have to have recovery during field exercises?

2016-12-04T16:24:12-05:00 2016-12-04T16:24:12-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 2132659

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would say that it is always a good idea to have some sort of recovery asset if possible. That asset could be a tow bar. However, I am partial to have a true recovery asset, i.e. a wrecker. A lot of commands tend to neglect maintenance needs, recovery especially. I would not put that on the back burner.

2016-12-04T19:15:06-05:00 2016-12-04T19:15:06-05:00 1SG Al Brown 2132680

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No, it eliminates a big future safety concern. Let your NCOs learn how to recover vehicles. Put your temporarily untasked drivers and TCs to work towing vehicles as they break or get stuck in the mud. A great example of losing your tow capability is going to the NTC in the middle of summer and watching the 88s drop like fly&#39;s. Pretty much any vehicle can tow any other like vehicle, and they do. Maybe you should conduct a BN FTX without you&#39;re recovery vehicles on purpose. I used to TC an AVLB, and during some BN FTX&#39;s did nothing but recover swamped tanks at Ft Stewart.

2016-12-04T19:24:22-05:00 2016-12-04T19:24:22-05:00 CW2 Private RallyPoint Member 2133101

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What does the Concept of Support in the OPORD for the FTX state? Dependent upon your type of BN, the FSB, BSB, or SBDE will have recovery assets in which you may request support. You will have to link up with their S&amp;R NCOIC to formally coordinate those assets. Like vehicle recovery is the preferred method as that is what training for combat entails. As for recovery assets themselves, a heavy BN will have M88A1/A2 for Brads and Abrams. Light BNs will use wreckers. I am used to maintenance and recovery being an afterthought so, if it&#39;s not in the OPORD, make it happen.

2016-12-04T23:51:20-05:00 2016-12-04T23:51:20-05:00 SGT Dave Tracy 2133583

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was mech Infantry we always had recovery assets when we went to the field for our Brads, MATVs MAXXPROs, etc. Sure, we could do some level self-recovery (sometimes), but we always had wreckers. Today, in my Reserve trans unit, even when we leave to exercise the trucks or get fuel we have recovery capability, to include the ability to call a wrecker if needed; and certainly when we drive across the country! That may not rise to the level of a &quot;safety concern&quot; per se, but in planning, I can&#39;t even conceive of why you&#39;d go to the field without recovery assets available, but all experiences vary.

2016-12-05T09:19:06-05:00 2016-12-05T09:19:06-05:00 CAPT Kevin B. 2134495

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Most are hitting it right about having access to recovery stuff. That said, you want to make sure that stuff actually exists and actually will show up. Nothing like the paperwork you have to do otherwise. Any good skipper will be adverse to anything that prevents all his/her people and assets from getting back to where they should be. Failure in that mode gets people fired.

2016-12-05T14:53:18-05:00 2016-12-05T14:53:18-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 2134776

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Safety concern? No.<br />Really stupid and negligent? Yes.<br /><br />Risk mitigation in this instance would be to coordinate with the GSU for on-call support, and failing that any maintenance unit in the area. For them, it is good training to assist you if needed.<br />If they do come out and help, do them a solid and hook them up with a couple coins and/or case of beverages to thank them for their support.

2016-12-05T16:31:51-05:00 2016-12-05T16:31:51-05:00 SSG Mark Franzen 2134903

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I Never left any type of recovery Equipment in rear because I always need it small or Large Field FTX take it with you. You Never depend on your equipment not break down when think that than you will be sorry that you didn&#39;t take with you.<br />SSG Mark Franzen<br />US ARMY <br />Former Motor Sargent <br />PS Any Question Ill be Glad to Help You

2016-12-05T17:23:54-05:00 2016-12-05T17:23:54-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 2136785

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes because you never know with someone has to be Medevac to the hospital for illnesses or injuries. The fastest way to get them to the next EST hospital will be by vehicle because it would take at least 30 minutes before air medevac can leave to get to your location. <br /><br />Second how would you get water, food, and other supplies to your locate? It will require coordination with other units to make that possible in the absence of uour unit vehicles.<br /><br />Here are some reasons why you need vehicle recovery assets available for you BN FTX.

2016-12-06T10:36:40-05:00 2016-12-06T10:36:40-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 2138865

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I feel that recovery assets, if available, are a must. Why put anyone in danger, further damage equipment or simply be placed in an inconvenient situation. Safety first.

2016-12-06T22:19:39-05:00 2016-12-06T22:19:39-05:00 CW2 Donald Kempf 2194252

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You can, but I&#39;d advise not to do so if you have recovery assets available. I suspect it mostly depends on the vehicles involved and their self-recovery capability. As long as you don&#39;t lose a wheel or such, one humvee can tow another. The type of terrain is another consideration. How much abuse are the vehicles going to receive? Best to plan for the worst and not use what you brought than to wich you had what you needed.

2016-12-28T06:47:28-05:00 2016-12-28T06:47:28-05:00 CW2 Michael Mullikin 2292715

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not a concern if you are confident that none vehicle operators will do anything that would require recovery. BTW, back in the Old Army (when we wore mono-chromatic &quot;fatigues&quot;) we practiced vehicle recovery using our available assets. You may not know what adventure truly is until you&#39;ve righted a tipped-over M60A1 tank using two other tanks.

2017-01-29T03:25:26-05:00 2017-01-29T03:25:26-05:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 6613444

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Depends. How far is the training from home station? Can we walk there? Do we even need vehicles at all?

2020-12-28T11:50:15-05:00 2020-12-28T11:50:15-05:00 LTC Jason Mackay 6614428

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why? <br />Can your FSC Commander go to the BSB and request back up Support?

2020-12-28T19:10:56-05:00 2020-12-28T19:10:56-05:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 6614648

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would say self recovery must be done by &quot;competent&quot; personnel and by the book. If either is questionable then the unit must ask for help. <br /><br />I would also consider the merits of being tactical at night vs safety. <br /><br />There is also danger in unknown routes or terrain.<br /><br />I would probably think of reasons or risks that contribute to the need of vehicle recovery.

2020-12-28T21:00:49-05:00 2020-12-28T21:00:49-05:00 2016-12-04T14:31:24-05:00