You think this is freedom of speech?

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:16:42 -0400

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-east-point-woman-called-for-death-of-white-/nk5cd/

Survey saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays: NOPE! That would be "disseminating information related to terrorist acts"

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 5:18 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:18:33 -0400

Arrest her now.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Apr 29 at 2015 5:25 PM

Capt Richard I P. — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:25:33 -0400

So, I don't endorse what she said.

That said I take an extremely strict view of the constitution. Until she acts, no crime has been committed. Now there's no law against making her picture available to all police officers in an Officer Safety bulletin. It'll make her goal of murder a little more challenging. Heck I'd say this constitutes reasonable articulable suspicion to detain in order to see whether there's probably cause to believe a crime has been committed or planned for imminent execution.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.GbYAQjlL.dpuf

First Amendment - U.S. Constitution - FindLaw

First Amendment - Religion and ExpressionAmendment Text | Annotations Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Apr 29 at 2015 5:27 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:27:29 -0400

It absolutely is Freedom of Speech. It's also Inciting a Riot.

The second she said "I’m plotting now.” it became a viable threat, and went from Protected Speech, to Speech that crosses a line (the old Fire in a Theater argument).

Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you should say something.

Inciting a Riot, or Fighting Words are not Protected. You can be stopped for saying it.

Freedom of, is not Freedom from Consequence, as Ebony Dickens a.k.a. Tiffany Milan discovered when they slapped the cuffs on her.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 29 at 2015 5:36 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:36:56 -0400

It is not protected by the first amendment.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 5:37 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:37:07 -0400

She's an idiot. This thought process is exactly what seperates each and evey race. I do not condone violence of any kind, but I also do not believe that Black Lives are the only ones that do not matter. If you want my respect or help speak up against what you see, but do not fight a bad cop on the streets. Fight them where they will not win, in the court system. If you don't know what happened, shut up and watch the system work.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 5:37 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:37:57 -0400

She says that now until she is locked up for being a terrorist......

Response by MSgt Rob Weston made Apr 29 at 2015 5:38 PM

MSgt Rob Weston — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:38:56 -0400

As we all know, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 5:48 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:48:18 -0400

She didn't say "kill all cops" she said "shoot at every white cop"... excuse me but if I switched the adjective to black I would be committing a hate crime

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Apr 29 at 2015 5:55 PM

SPC Charles Brown — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:55:45 -0400

WTF is this. Lumping all white cops and white people in general together saying that "they condone crimes against us" is pure BS!!! I have more friends who are non white than I do those who are white. Am I a racist? Nope, I believe there is only ONE race and that is HUMAN. Do I go out of my way to be unkind to those who are different than I, again NOPE!

Get to know someone before you pass any form of judgement against them. I would also like to say that I agree with MAJ Ken Landgren. She needs to be found and taught a simple lesson.

C.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 6:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:08:11 -0400

No this isn't free speech any broad threatening statement. Or inflammatory statement. Personally I would find a reason to arrest her

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 6:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:14:34 -0400

It would really fall under communicating a threat and premeditation. As MSgt Rob Weston said, she has the freedom to say it, and that comes with the expectation of arrest and vetting for credibility. At the very least she should be investigated (and likely already has been) but not give her the spectacle and attention she is seeking. She probably has a warrant or two anyways given her level of common sense and respect for the justice system, so picking her up quietly could be simple.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 29 at 2015 6:15 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:15:22 -0400

She is nothing. She is a cock roach. While she is not specifically threatening an individual, she is displaying hate speech and she is encouraging others to commit murder.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 6:17 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:17:12 -0400

An posted under an alias, as if nobody could find out who really posted it. Wow

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 6:27 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:27:34 -0400

That particular bulb is not the brightest and is constantly flickering

Response by SPC Carl K. made Apr 29 at 2015 6:34 PM

SPC Carl K. — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:34:23 -0400

Direct threats are one of the forms of speech that is NOT protected under the First Amendment. I guess she didn't bother to look in to it.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 6:52 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:52:54 -0400

One's freedom ends where another's begins. As many on here have noted already: credible, direct threats cross that line.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Apr 29 at 2015 7:13 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:13:03 -0400

In common law, assault is the act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person.

Sounds like Assault to me.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 7:15 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:15:00 -0400

It is illegal and what a teen done in Greensboro, NC today. You can be charged with inciting a riot or more.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 8:14 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 20:14:14 -0400

Thank goodness she was arrested. This is stupidity of the first degree, not freedom of speech.

Thumbs up for the link to her being arrested, TSgt Joshua Copeland.

Response by SrA Marc Haynes made Apr 29 at 2015 9:06 PM

SrA Marc Haynes — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:06:18 -0400

To bad they can't create a "DO NOT RESPOND" list for LE to idiots like her and all the F the Police crowd.

Response by SGT Michael Touchet made Apr 29 at 2015 11:19 PM

SGT Michael Touchet — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:19:04 -0400

I think that is racist hate speech. This is not and should not be protected and it calls people of a particular race to be killed. This is a criminal act.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2015 1:36 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 01:36:30 -0400

There is a definite difference between freedom of speech and a threat. This sounds more like assault with intent to do bodily harm.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2015 8:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:06:58 -0400

What can be said but... really?!

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 30 at 2015 10:51 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 10:51:38 -0400

"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic."

Schenck v. United States
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Apr 30 at 2015 10:52 AM

SPC Charles Brown — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 10:52:35 -0400

SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP', TSgt Joshua Copeland and all the others who have responded to this thread they caught the woman in question Update posted under my comments.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2015 2:25 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 14:25:15 -0400

Yup! Unfortunately some people have freedom of speech, but fortunately everyone has the right to not be heard as well! What is sad is this person probably thought they were being cute. What is she going to do now that she has been banned?

Response by SrA Matthew Knight made Apr 30 at 2015 5:00 PM

SrA Matthew Knight — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 17:00:50 -0400

Looks like physical evidence of Conspiracy to Commit Murder to me.

Response by CW5 Jim Steddum made May 1 at 2015 7:55 PM

CW5 Jim Steddum — Fri, 01 May 2015 19:55:56 -0400

Freedom of speech is not speech. Speech is not protected if it used to violate other laws--like inciting violence, murder, etc.

In other words it is not free speech to "say" I hate you by killing you. Murder is illegal therefore the act of demonstrating hatred by killing is not protected expression.

This example of speech was rightfully used as evidence of crimes by anyone who acted upon it, including the author.

Response by SFC Maury Gonzalez made Jul 10 at 2015 7:27 PM

SFC Maury Gonzalez — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:27:02 -0400

You know its always said "freedom of speech does not give you the right to scream FIRE in a crowded movie theater "

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2015 11:27 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:27:51 -0400

Speaking as a black man, I say this is full of shit. Just because *some* white cops are bad, doesn't mean they all are. I know several DC cops, and some of them I call 'Brother' and would give my life for if necessary.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Nov 21 at 2015 1:05 PM

COL Ted Mc — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 13:05:12 -0500

TSgt Joshua Copeland - Sergeant; Indeed it is. It is also "counselling the commission of a crime". You are allowed to say it - but you are also free to take the responsibility for breaking the law by "counselling the commission of a crime".

In short, there are no ABSOLUTE freedoms - no matter how "inalienable" people think that "rights" are.

Response by SGT J M Porters made Dec 30 at 2017 10:29 PM

SGT J M Porters — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 22:29:44 -0500

Not only should this be removed but we need to have a come to Jesus talking to whoever posted it!

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Dec 30 at 2017 11:54 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:54:10 -0500

Isn't she cute, I'll bet her parents are pround. She'll grow up

Response by PVT Roger Delgadillo made Jul 6 at 2022 11:23 PM

PVT Roger Delgadillo — Wed, 06 Jul 2022 23:23:56 -0400

Yes

Response by Sgt Joel Pedaline made Jul 27 at 2022 6:39 PM

Sgt Joel Pedaline — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 18:39:13 -0400

That goes far beyond calling people to violence and should not be protected.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Dec 30 at 2022 11:43 AM

SSG Steve Knox — Fri, 30 Dec 2022 11:43:51 -0500

The individual spoke what was in their heart> we now know where their heart is.