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Here is an interesting thread about the AF... Question from REDDIT author:
More than half of the people leaving the Air Force leave because they say they do not like the direction that it's headed in. Can someone give me some insight of why they may feel this way?
Top Response:
Shifting away from being a war fighting superpower and becoming a shy corporate entity that allows itself to be bullied by politicians, espirit de corps and unit morale being sodomized with a rake for the sake of liability, over emphasis on wildly unnecessary equipment and budget with an astonishing lack of care for the people who keep this force running.
The mission is being hampered and many units don't have what they need to get their job done effectively just because top brass wants to cover their ass. Just look at what our briefings emphasize: how many times are we briefed on things like SARC, FWA and other liability issues that are the product of commanders becoming frightened by statistics? We're transitioning from "Fly, fight, win" to "Do more with less, make your brass look good, shut up and color".
That said, I can't speak for everyone. This is just the overwhelming consensus. Leadership has become so enthralled with fighting statistics and numbers that they forget about the real fight. When commanders care more about looking good statistically and aesthetically for their own higher-ups than accomplishing our war fighting purpose to the best of our ability, the entire force suffers.
With that in mind, some leaders are better than others. I've seen the good and the bad, and the good ones that put their troops first despite intimidation from their own bosses are sadly far and few between and rather short-lived.
Edit: Never thought I'd get gold. Thanks, friend. Double edit: Just because I know someone is going to bring it up, I'm not saying things like SARC and FWA are unimportant. I'm saying that the perspective seems to be that leaders spend more time looking at spreadsheets than they spend listening to their troops. The Air Force asked me once every three or so months about how to stop sexual harassment. How many times did the Air Force ask me how policy could be changed to help me get my job done faster and more reliably? Zero. And I'm confident that my career field wasn't the only one with this issue.
http://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/comments/2pzibn/what_direction_are_they_talking_about/
More than half of the people leaving the Air Force leave because they say they do not like the direction that it's headed in. Can someone give me some insight of why they may feel this way?
Top Response:
Shifting away from being a war fighting superpower and becoming a shy corporate entity that allows itself to be bullied by politicians, espirit de corps and unit morale being sodomized with a rake for the sake of liability, over emphasis on wildly unnecessary equipment and budget with an astonishing lack of care for the people who keep this force running.
The mission is being hampered and many units don't have what they need to get their job done effectively just because top brass wants to cover their ass. Just look at what our briefings emphasize: how many times are we briefed on things like SARC, FWA and other liability issues that are the product of commanders becoming frightened by statistics? We're transitioning from "Fly, fight, win" to "Do more with less, make your brass look good, shut up and color".
That said, I can't speak for everyone. This is just the overwhelming consensus. Leadership has become so enthralled with fighting statistics and numbers that they forget about the real fight. When commanders care more about looking good statistically and aesthetically for their own higher-ups than accomplishing our war fighting purpose to the best of our ability, the entire force suffers.
With that in mind, some leaders are better than others. I've seen the good and the bad, and the good ones that put their troops first despite intimidation from their own bosses are sadly far and few between and rather short-lived.
Edit: Never thought I'd get gold. Thanks, friend. Double edit: Just because I know someone is going to bring it up, I'm not saying things like SARC and FWA are unimportant. I'm saying that the perspective seems to be that leaders spend more time looking at spreadsheets than they spend listening to their troops. The Air Force asked me once every three or so months about how to stop sexual harassment. How many times did the Air Force ask me how policy could be changed to help me get my job done faster and more reliably? Zero. And I'm confident that my career field wasn't the only one with this issue.
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Never heard of it, and from what I just read do not give it much credence... as a group superintendent I talk with folks leaving the Air Force all the time, and none of them are for any philosophical reasons on where the service is heading. Most often the reasons are similar to why I almost left a number of times, they want more quality time with their family, they are tired of deployments, they got the education they came in the service to get, got a great job offer, or they simply want a more stable life.
Now that said, the Air Force is going through a large number of changes in the near future in how we evaluate, rate, and promote our enlisted folks, but most that I am in contact with are willing to give the system a shot before making a decision on leaving the service.
Now that said, the Air Force is going through a large number of changes in the near future in how we evaluate, rate, and promote our enlisted folks, but most that I am in contact with are willing to give the system a shot before making a decision on leaving the service.
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MSgt Robert Pellam
Chief. I think you understand what is going on. 1 have been out since 2013 and I can tell you my reasons for leaving are far different then most people. That being said, I also like that you are trying to understand this Airmen's point of view. One of my biggest jobs while in was being a mediator between the Airmen and the SNCO's. As a MSgt I prided myself on being approachable. Often I found myself listening to Airmen/NCO problems. If I thought they had merit I would up channel them to see if change could be made. 90% of the time though I would end up just explaining the more complicated workings of the Air Force to these young men and woman so they could understand things better. This usually would provide a buy in for the young Airmen and have them become part of the solution. And thanks for doing unannounced visits. I noticed when SNCO's did that they earned more respect from the Airmen and young NCO's
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A1C Bill Hughes
Chief i agree i don't see that being a majority of reasons to haven't I don't think that is the reason people leave. Maybe some do, but not the majority of people leaving. Although I do think the enlisted career is a long a tough road to bare. I personal wouldn't make a career under enlisted in the military or recommend that life style to my relatives or my friends. There are just too many controls to live 20 plus as enlisted. When you can get out and find a job that pays you more where you not risking you life. Even if you do stay in for 20 years not having a college degree you maybe end up at best being a manager at Wal-Mart. I believe it better to just remain a civilian, go to college, get a college degree and then get into a civilian career. I believe we shouldn't even have a active service I do believe we need the trained, but not running around doing nothing and getting paid for it. When we are war then we sign up, but when the war is over we get out and get a job in the free world.
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TSgt (Join to see)
I'm currently deployed with a SMSgt that hasn't deployed since '97. I can't even explain the disconnect between what is a real mission request to get something done and what experience level he's collected to make it happen. You wouldn't send a soldier to a fire fight without a rifle...so I ask why would a firefighter be told to fight fire without any PPE for 3 months into a 6 month deployment. I'll be part of the next 70% of the people that volunteer to get out if offered again after 15yrs of service.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
TSgt (Join to see), deploying or not deploying is often out of the members control. It is all about what tasking the unit gets, if the unit has deployable billets, and what band/AEF the member is postured in.
Now that said, I can't say that I haven't seen commanders change peoples bands so they don't deploy or people go to medical with the intent of not getting cleared.
Now that said, I can't say that I haven't seen commanders change peoples bands so they don't deploy or people go to medical with the intent of not getting cleared.
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Doing more with less is something we all learn to do at some point in our lives. Military or civilian. It makes us more efficient leaders in the end. The military isn't a 'comfortable' place to work by design. My advice to this author...Show some leadership within your unit and do all you can to meet the mission requirements. All we can do is our best, keep a positive attitude and work as a team to get there. It's incredible how far one person's positive outlook will go for a whole team. What do you guys think? CPT Aaron Kletzing Maj (Join to see) Maj (Join to see) Col (Join to see) SFC Mark Merino.
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SSgt Clayton Coleman
There is a difference between knuckling down and working through hard times, and taking mission essential personnel away from the mission. If you want to save money, get rid of some of the nonners who could be replaced by an app. Who shutdown for "training days" to go to IHOP, and don't even do shift work to facilitate better customer response and service.
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SSgt Josh Fritz
Well said, Capt Brandon Charters. A positive attitude is the difference between a good leader and an exceptional leader.
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Ya'll need some different perspective here. From what I'm reading, no where is this individual complaining about me, me, me, give me more. Personally, I think this OP hit the hammer on the nail for the whole military. The military institution is being treated like it's a Fortune 500 company, it is constantly compared to them. But last time I checked, the military hasn't turned a dime of profit ever.
The OP's claims about spreadsheet leadership is dead on. We spend so much time on drugs and alcohol and sex and trafficking and dental and a flu shot and making sure no one is getting boo-boos or hurt feelings, and frankly, it is god damn annoying. I understand the importance of these things, I really do, but there comes a point when you've listened to the exact same spiel, nearly word for word, for 6 years in a row and you just don't care anymore.
The OP's claims about spreadsheet leadership is dead on. We spend so much time on drugs and alcohol and sex and trafficking and dental and a flu shot and making sure no one is getting boo-boos or hurt feelings, and frankly, it is god damn annoying. I understand the importance of these things, I really do, but there comes a point when you've listened to the exact same spiel, nearly word for word, for 6 years in a row and you just don't care anymore.
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