Posted on Apr 9, 2015
MSgt Charles Johnson
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SSgt Joe V.
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Keep both and remove the people that complain - forcibly.
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Our government, and by extension its military, should be completely free from religious preference. You're all ridiculous.
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SSgt Joe V.
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You are entitled to your opinion...as wrong as it may be...
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1stSgt Edward Jackson
1stSgt Edward Jackson
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SPC Kyle Kanes Our government is bound by the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, a Constitution you swore to defend. Religious freedom is part of that. That includes religious freedom within the military. For most POWs, the Bible, or thoughts of it, helped them live through that ordeal. It is the POW's table, not yours or mine. No one is forcing you to read the Bible, or even look at it if you don't want to. But to remove it from a table that honors former POWs is a slap in their face, and the face of the entire military.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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great response!
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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We are not constitutionally guaranteed the right not to be offended. We are guaranteed freedom of speech and religion Ignore the nameless complaints. Keep the table
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1SG Mark Gomez, while I agree that one should be able to omit the "so help me God" part of the oath (based on freedom of religion), if he/she chooses, I don't believe that the DoD General Counsel's opinion has any authority to change U.S. Code, which is federal law.

Honestly, I don't think anyone would take it forward to force individuals to speak the words, but the right thing then, would be to move forward with the proper legal proceedings in order to change the law, and not merely rely on the opinion of a counsel that carries no authority on the matter.
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1SG Mark Gomez
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Sir,

I was merely asking if the policy change I posted from AF.mil is legitimate or not. What prompted my question was that you posted "So help me God is NOT optional." And I remembered reading about change coming forth on that last year. Cheers sir.
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1SG Mark Gomez - When I reenlisted it was optional and I exercised my right not to say it.
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SSgt Nancy Zaccardi
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I'm offended the Bible was removed.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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I am not a christian, and I do not feel that ANY religion should be introduced into government facilities. In the movie Kingdom of Heaven there is a line about all of the horrible things that are done in the name of religion.
Had it been a cross, I would say remove the cross leave the table.
A bible is not a symbol of religion. It is a book of faith. Faith is what POWs have that they have not been forgotten. Faith is what families of POW/MIA have that they will be reunited with their missing loved one. 
There is a huge difference between FAITH and RELIGION. 
I think that having a "Missing Man" table is an awesome idea. It should be a requirement in every chow hall across the armed services. They are our brothers and sisters in arms who have been lost in the chaos. They should be honored. THey should never be forgotten. If a bible, quarran, torrah, havamal, book of mormon, vedic text, etc. is left on the table, by a service member it should be left there. It was left by a fellow service member for a missing service member. It has nothing to do with religion. It is an act of faith saying the motto of the POW/MIA flag "You are not Forgotten"

PUT THE TABLE BACK PATRICK AFB!!!
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Lt Col Anders Bergmann
Lt Col Anders Bergmann
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Good points. One has to wonder if the Code of Conduct will be next.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
PO3 Steven Sherrill
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@Lt Col Anders Bermann, I started learning the Code of Conduct as a young child. I grew up on an Army base in the Pacific, and we had AFRTS for our only TV. We had the AFRTS approved PSAs instead of regular commercials, and the Code Of Conduct was a part of those spots.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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Capt Jed Redeker - agreed!
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PV2 Scott Goodpasture
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Well a lot of people do love Jesus just because you don't doesn't give you the right to stifle another's beliefs.
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