Posted on Apr 9, 2015
MSgt Charles Johnson
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SSgt Joe V.
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Keep both and remove the people that complain - forcibly.
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Our government, and by extension its military, should be completely free from religious preference. You're all ridiculous.
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SSgt Joe V.
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You are entitled to your opinion...as wrong as it may be...
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1stSgt Edward Jackson
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SPC Kyle Kanes Our government is bound by the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, a Constitution you swore to defend. Religious freedom is part of that. That includes religious freedom within the military. For most POWs, the Bible, or thoughts of it, helped them live through that ordeal. It is the POW's table, not yours or mine. No one is forcing you to read the Bible, or even look at it if you don't want to. But to remove it from a table that honors former POWs is a slap in their face, and the face of the entire military.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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great response!
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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We are not constitutionally guaranteed the right not to be offended. We are guaranteed freedom of speech and religion Ignore the nameless complaints. Keep the table
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LCDR Battalion Executive Officer
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1SG Mark Gomez, while I agree that one should be able to omit the "so help me God" part of the oath (based on freedom of religion), if he/she chooses, I don't believe that the DoD General Counsel's opinion has any authority to change U.S. Code, which is federal law.

Honestly, I don't think anyone would take it forward to force individuals to speak the words, but the right thing then, would be to move forward with the proper legal proceedings in order to change the law, and not merely rely on the opinion of a counsel that carries no authority on the matter.
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1SG Mark Gomez
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Sir,

I was merely asking if the policy change I posted from AF.mil is legitimate or not. What prompted my question was that you posted "So help me God is NOT optional." And I remembered reading about change coming forth on that last year. Cheers sir.
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CW2 Information Services Technician
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1SG Mark Gomez - When I reenlisted it was optional and I exercised my right not to say it.
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SSgt Nancy Zaccardi
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I'm offended the Bible was removed.
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CMC Robert Young
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Keep them both!!!! It's a matter of heritage and tradition for the military services, and has been since the beginning of time.

Nobody demanded that the PC crowd read/believe the Bible. Only to recognize that it is a symbol of faith often which is the only thing upon which to place our hopes/dreams. Faith in and hope for the return of those lost to us is all the lost/missing, their families, or we as service members have. Without it why ever worry about or search for a missing service member. If we have no faith that they might one day be returned to their native land, why bother?

The PC crowd needs to get a hobby. They clearly have far too much time on their hands if they have time to destroy our traditions/heritage; or maybe they simply don't understand that we have traditions/heritage. Or more importantly, that without these traditions and this heritage that we become just like everybody else; an organization without an individual culture that binds people together in a common cause is just a disorganized crowd or worse yet a gang. Our shared tradition makes us what we are, and without it, we simply are not.

Lastly, somebody somewhere in the military needs to stand up and tell these who seek their moment in the sun by denigrating others (and our service) to sit down and shut up. They need to remember, you joined us; we didn't join you. It's OUR collective tradition/heritage. You knew there were rules, regulation, core values, and yes even traditions when you signed up. You are either one of us, or you're a poser who can't be one of us.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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LCDR Battalion Executive Officer
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Right on, Master Chief!

Cheers,
LCDR Foster (former CPO)
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Maj Mike Sciales
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I wish they'd add the overturned whiskey glass, since none of us are allowed to drink anymore.
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Sgt Kelli Mays
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agreed!
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