Posted on May 28, 2015
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I have noticed through the years of being in the Air Force (Security Forces member here) that most people in the Air Force are clueless when it comes to M-4/M-16/M-9. This is outrageous! What are they supposed to do if the enemy comes knocking on our door step and everyone needs to fight. I have taught classes on the M-4 with communication airmen and have seen them completely mess up clearing out the weapon, loading it (magazine upside down or rounds the wrong way), and just completely incapable of achieving a zero on target after four rounds of firing. I am a big fan of how the Army and Marines teach that your are always a rifleman first. It almost seems like some of the Airmen don't expect to carry a weapon (ummmm why did you join the military in the first place)? I wish the Air Force would pick up on this to make us a more combat ready force. But, enough of me what are your thoughts?
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The Air Force was never intended to be a ground fighting unit. Back in the day, AF bases were protected by Army units for that very same reason. The ground fighting component of the AF is SF. Among our many duties, being the infantry of the AF is one of them. I started my military career in the Army and I will tell you that the AF as a whole was never designed to operate like the Army or Marines. The culture is completely different, and for good reason. The AF could not operate under the same culture as the Army or Marines. In SF, weapons are a tool for us. For the majority of the AF, a weapon is not a tool that they use in their day to day duties. ANd frankly, it should not be. I used to be CATM, and I can tell you that keeping an M-4 away from most AF members is a good thing.
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MSG Chuck Pewsey
MSG Chuck Pewsey
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Gee, these all sound like the rationale back when I was a corporal that women weren't allowed to qualify. (then it went to "may qualify if they ask nicely" to "must qualify whether they want to or not." I started shooting at six years old, met lots of ladies who could out shoot me.
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SSgt Dallas Frint
SSgt Dallas Frint
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Back in my Air Force days we had to qualify very couple years. It was only with a M1 carbine, but it was required. SAC base.
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SGT Robert Foti
SGT Robert Foti
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SMSGT. AGREED. STILL AS A MEMBER OF THE US MIL, THEY SHOULD KNOW HOW TO SHOOT/DEFEND THEMSELVES. ITS UNDERSTOOD REF "ITS A TOOL" AND THE TIME/FUNDS TO MAINTAIN RIFLE PROFICIENCY JUST ISNT THERE. HOWEVER,,, YA NEVER KNOW... READ ABOUT THE LAST BATTLE OF IWO JIMA... DOZENS OF AF PILOTS AND CREW WERE KILLED IN THEIR TENTS AS THEY SLEPT IN A BANZAI CHARGE ... THEY RELIED ON OTHERS FOR THEIR DEFENSE. ....
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SP6 Guy Slater
SP6 Guy Slater
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Lt Col Gary Wilson - Seem to remember that the Pleiku AFB (Vietnam) was overrun a few times. As an Army Nurse, I still had to qualify as often as the unit wanted me to, in order to respond to our motto, "To Conserve The Fighting Strength." And to do that, it was often required to not only bandage the wounded, but to fight off the enemy while doing so. I think that ALL the services should have mandatory arms training and qualification frequently. It's not just for the "ground pounders."
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PO1 John Miller
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Completely in jest. I have seen people in all branches who should be permanently downloaded (having their weapons privileges revoked).
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MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow
MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow
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A1C Michael King - That is a Senior Master Sergeant. those are the newer stripes. Chief has another top stripe.
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Amn Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill
Amn Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill
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PO2 Randall Knight these days, I can't see the iron sights. I have to use a scoped rifle.
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Amn Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill
Amn Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill
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TSgt Daniel Johnson remember, however, that not everyone has 2020 vision.
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SFC Ernest Thurston
SFC Ernest Thurston
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Amn Jennifer Lee (Doerflinger) Hill - That's OK the AF will give you glasses
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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Everyone sees things through their own experiences. If I were an AF Security Forces officer, I might share your opinion. As a pilot, I was required to qualify annually on my assigned personal weapon, the M-9, because aircrew members deploy more than other AF personnel. So far that makes sense. So why not go to the much bigger effort and expense of making us like the Army or Marine Corps and force every Airman to qualify annually? To put it as simply as possible, because there is a fixed amount of time and money, and there isn't an Air Force base in Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else we fight. When deployed, we generally either to deploy to large Airbases in-country with our Army, Navy, and Marine brethren (who are responsible to protect the base) or out-of-country where the threat is much lower (SA, Qatar, Bahrain, etc). I know there are exceptions, especially for our Special Forces community...but then they are qualified on their personal weapons, aren't they? In order to be the best at Our Job as Airmen, we spend our time and money on training aircrew, mechanics, and all the other support functions necessary to keep airpower supporting the Joint Force Commander. If we spent lots of time and money to be like the Army and the Marines, we would be better infantrymen but worse airmen.
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SFC George Loder
SFC George Loder
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TSgt Moore and SSgt Harvey, the original statement was concerning the Air Force as it is TODAY; and a general statement at that (it excluded the Security Police, who are actually issued firearms). It is my contention that every person in the military (regardless of MOS/AFSC should be trained during Basic Training the proper use of a personnel weapon; after which, if their duty position does not normally require the use of a firearm, they should receive and fire for familiarization at least every 12 to 18 months. After all, you're in the freakin' military, I also believe that the military is neither a petri-dish for somebody's social experiment, nor a reform school to straighten out some social misfits. The perimeters of todays tactical situation is expressed in fluidity, at both the "front" and your present location; only the degree in likelihood of belligerent contact is different.
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CPT Tom Monahan
CPT Tom Monahan
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Well said. Many Airmen will qualify on their primary weapon more than once a year. Misslemen, Fighter and Bomber pilots, etc.
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SP6 Guy Slater
SP6 Guy Slater
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Col. Lenertz, all due respect, but when the stinky brown stuff hits the wildly oscillating mechanical device, and all of a sudden your Base is being overrun, what the Hell are you going to do? Tell the enemy to "Hold up! We have to wait for our SF, the Army or the Marines to have this firefight with you." In the Army, as it is in the Marines, EVERYONE is a rifleman first! Their primary MOS (AFSC) is secondary to being, and keeping alive in order to perform the primary.
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CAPT Hiram Patterson
CAPT Hiram Patterson
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The Army and Marines are trained in tactics to defend against and attack the enemy. Just because you qualify does not turn everyone into a combat expert.
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