Posted on Dec 30, 2013
SSG Philip Cotton
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I work very closely with my Commander and 1SG on personnel issues within our unit and I have seen the insane amount of work it take to get a bad NCO reduced. It almost takes an act of congress. It took over a year to reduce this NCO even though was overwhelming evidence that the NCO was not NCO material. It seems that the Military sometimes has that "Pass the trash" mentality. Luckily my command team didn't accept that and fought until the NCO was held accountable, reduced and discharged.<br><br>Has anyone else experienced the lack of caring and road blocks to holding Service Members accountable for bad behavior in the Military?
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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One of the things that needs to be remembered here is that once the Army separates someone, that has a lasting effect on that individual, and possibly for a family also. I mention that for two reasons. One, it is a process and it can be a lengthy one depending on the circumstances. I believe that is designed to ensure that everything is done correctly and also that all avenues of rehabilitation were explored and exhausted. Two, depending on the type of separation, there may still be some benefits that may require additional time to complete prior to separation (ie ACAP). Granted on a case by case basis, there may be roadblocks as you call then SGT Cotton. I believe though that the system is designed to ensure the Army gets it right.
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Well said Master Sergeant. I was going to respond with the very same response.
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PO2 Rocky Kleeger
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Yes. And its making it too difficult to KEEP the good ones
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Sgt S.P. Woodke
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Roger That I second that assessment Kleeger!!!!!!!!
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SSG Unit Administrative Technician
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Yep. I agree too. Seems like they want to fight to save the ones that don't want saved, but hold back some of the ones that want to progress. (Spending all drill contacting Soldiers that don't show up and answering the same questions every month about those people. Yet, not wanting to transfer a soldier that wants to transfer).
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SGT Shon D. Hill
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Certainly your example of a bad NCO is an example of this, but I believe we in any branch are a special situation. We retrain and punish within first, then pursue discharge if there is no other course of action. I have had a few soldiers who seemed hopeless that turned into fine NCO's later! I'm glad we didn't give up, even if it seemed "easier" or the "best" choice at the time! Also, I made a fairly big "mistake" once and was almost booted (1995, during drawdown no less). My command didn't choose that path, and I was able to become a good sergeant and serve later in combat! It's a tough call folks but that's the job!
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SSG Laureano Pabon
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SGT Hill, What changed you?
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SGT Shon D. Hill
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I was a good soldier, but like many people, alcohol had become a problem. My first-line NCO was a great one, and fought to keep me on the right way! 6 months later in Germany I made my command proud by becoming honor grad at PLDC (warrior course now?). I didn't forget that, ever ;)
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SFC Bde Mobility Nco
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It does to be honest. I always tell my young officers this. If you ever become CSA make a 3 day out rule. stop pay take their ID card, turn in your ta50 whatever is missing take out of their last check and drop them off at the gate. Obviously there is more to it but i just told feel like typing the whole idea. If SM and Leaders knew you could be out the Army in 3 days i bet alot of people would sort themselves out.
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