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Bottom Line Up Front - NO

This is from AR 670-1 Chapter 12–3. Occasions for wear. See Chapter 12-3 c (1)

a. All-purpose wear. The physical fitness uniform is authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation,
unless restricted by the commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the physical fitness uniform with civilian attire off
the installation, unless restricted by the commander. The physical fitness uniform is not intended for wear as an allpurpose
uniform when other uniforms are more appropriate.
b. Approved wear. The physical fitness uniform is prescribed for year-round wear for all Soldiers, unless otherwise
directed by the commander. Soldiers may wear the physical fitness uniform off-post unless prohibited by the
commander.
c. Restrictions on wear.
(1) Soldiers may not wear the physical fitness uniform for commercial travel.
(2) Personnel may not wear a physical fitness uniform in off-post establishments that primarily sell alcohol. If the
off-post establishment sells alcohol and food, Soldiers may not wear a physical fitness uniform if their activities in the
establishment center on the drinking of alcohol.
(3) Physical fitness uniform are not considered appropriate for social or official functions off the installation, such as
memorial services, funerals, weddings, inaugurals, patriotic ceremonies, and similar functions.
(4) Commanders may further restrict wear of the physical fitness uniform IAW paragraph 2–6c.
(5) The physical fitness uniform is not appropriate for parades, reviews, and ceremonies.
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SSG John Stinson - Not always. "Back in the day" Military personnel were required to fly in Class A or B uniform when on duty. I recognize that times have changed, but let's not treat it as some type of capital offense. I also recognize the OPSEC value of not being identified as military while not on duty (or perhaps even on duty) when away from military facilities. HOWEVER when I graduated from BCT and flew from Atlanta to AIT in Newport News, we were required to be in uniform. That was 2007.

Now, after 10+ years of Active Duty and 1+ year of Reserve status, I don't wear my uniform if I don't have to. I wear it for drill weekends, and when I drive home from drill, just because I don't want to change into another set of clothes. If I want to identify myself for whatever reason while in civilian clothes, I have my Military ID.
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SSG Watercraft Enginieer
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COL Scott Harrison - Sir I agree with you. Leadership at the squad level in todays Army is not what it should be. Specialists are rushed to becoming Sergeants and because of that, they never had time to learn what real leadership is or means. But that's another rant I have...

Even the best leaders cannot follow their Soldiers around 24x7x365. Even the most thorough briefings cannot stop a Soldier from wearing his/her PT uniform to the airport at Zero Dark Thirty if that's what the Soldier decides to do. Soldiers make bad decisions all the time, and the blotter reports are there to prove it. Sometimes leadership (or lack thereof) is to blame. Other times, it is not, and just really bad decision-making by the Soldier.

So what's the answer? The offending Soldiers should have been approached neutrally, been shown Military ID of the person making the correction, and then the on the spot correction should have been made as low-key as possible. Teach the Soldiers that wearing the PT uniform during travel is against regulations. I've always held that teaching Soldiers the right way makes a better and longer impression than an angry ass-chewing. Hopefully the corrected/educated Soldiers will than go on to pass that knowledge down to his/her Soldiers at some point.
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SSG John Stinson
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SSG (Join to see) I understand what you are saying.about back in the day. but as for flying in 2007 they were dead wrong at that time it was not allowed by 670-1 or 525-13. after graduation everyone traveling by commercial means should have been told to change. That's why my original post I said I'd ask why they were in uniform first instead of assuming a no nothING private would know the regs. that violation would be squarely on the unit
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COL Scott Harrison
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SSG (Join to see) and SSG John Stinson - The point you both are raising is a lack of discipline within our Army. By definition, discipline is doing the right thing when our leadership is not looking. It is one the values the Army pushes down everyone's throats to promote model behavior, character and the type of leaders we need (how's that working out?). As a Private in 1978, I knew what was acceptable (regulations or not) and was held to that standard by my own actions first (Integrity) and by my leadership second (Loyalty). Now, I made plenty of stupid decisions during my 36 year career, everyone does. But, it wasn't the simple stuff like 'what uniform to wear at the airport?' or 'I can do this because no one will notice.' I was trained to a standard, held to a standard, and I enforced the standard among my peers.

So, by the example above, an argument could be made that: 1. the standard was not communicated effectively (leadership and training), 2. the standard was not followed but known (discipline and leadership), and/or 3. the standard was not enforced (leadership and personal sacrifice). It is easy to identify that the common denominator is leadership. Leadership would have inspected them before they left for the airport, would have corrected the oversight at the airport and would have ensured that the soldiers did not fail themselves, their organization or the Army. Because a failure to set and enforce standards, ultimately lowers the standards.
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You can't even wear them to the PX on most posts, why in the wide, wide world of sports would you want to wear them on a plane??
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Lynda Hall
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IMOHO, why post about 2 guys wearing PTs at the Airport to begin with? The answer will never be discovered. Yes, I bit the bait also. Mates time to move on to a worthy topic. If it had been me, I'm cheeky enough to start a conversation and just ask why. Maybe it was done to have a laugh. They might have wanted to see reactions.
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SSG Watercraft Enginieer
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SPC (Join to see) - When I was stationed at Fort Drum, EVERYWHERE had actual stickers on the doors saying NO PT GEAR ALLOWED after PT hours. This was enforced, usually by roving CSMs looking for an ass to chew.
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Were they there for other stuff ? Maybe casualty assistance. When we did MFH at the airport, one of the team members maybe two would dress in ACU's or PT's. Their mission was to crawl in the cargo hold and deconstruct the crate, ensure it was presentable, drape it with the flag and prepare it for viewing while transported from the airplane to the hearse. Under no circumstances were ASU's allowed in the belly of the plane.
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SSG (Join to see) - A lot of that has changed, now a clean PT uniform is allowed to be worn in many places but not if you just did PT in it, then it is considered dirty, sweaty, used, etc.
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Cpl Justin Goolsby
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For Marines it's a no go. Army could be different, but I highly doubt it. PT uniforms are strictly for PT.
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
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CPL (Join to see) I do not think they’ll be performing a med exam at the airport..
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
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SGT William Parke yes.. a candidate for the rubber room !
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SSgt Boyd Herrst

Understanding. I was off topic just discussing some examples of things I've seen. I do believe that the airport as with most places isn't the place to wear pts. Of all things.
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SPC Joseph Underwood
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thats one of the reasons i left the military,they wanna run your life on and off duty,thalk about a dictatorship,geese,and the ego on some of those young punks that they rank up to quickly.i wanted to grab some of those leuies by the throat and crush their vocal cords.
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