Posted on Oct 31, 2016
CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Note: My friend Carlos is in the Coast Guard and sent me this question last night. He said he's not on RP due to OPSEC (whatever), so he asked me to ask this on RP on his behalf. He is pretty hell bent on getting this Soldier punished. Anyway, let him know your thoughts on the below.

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I’m in the Coast Guard and have been active duty for 6 years. I’m stationed in Hawaii right now. I was up by Schofield Barracks and went on base there, and went to go shop for a few things at the Commissary. I was waiting in line for some fresh meat and there were 2 Army soldiers also in line, in front of me. They were looking at me and saying things to each other. It looked like they were laughing at me. I heard one of them refer to me as a “POG” which is a slang term I am familiar with from social media stuff. I said to them “Excuse me, I heard what you just said, and I feel disrespected.” I was just trying to stick up for myself. One of the soldiers then squared up to me and said “Yeah, I did call you a POG. Because you are a POG. You need to up and leave here – this is an Army Commissary.” A few other people in line heard this and started laughing. I felt so angry that I just left the building.

I know the soldier’s last name from his top, and I would recognize his face. What actions can I take to report him to his chain of command? What other advice do you have?
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Col Joseph Lenertz
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While the army soldiers were disrespectful and childish, I don't think this rises to the level of disciplinary action beyond a counseling. Advice to Carlos: Rub against Army and Marines more often...it makes your skin grow thicker. You are a POG. So am I. I'm happy to NOT be a grunt, but so what? And it's NOT an Army commissary, it's a Defense Commissary (DeCA). Remind the grunt (non-POG) we're on the same team, and he should save his BS for the bad guys.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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Really, CPT Bob Coleman? Circling around 4 years later to bluster about a word you can't seem to capitalize correctly, repeating in shorter form the response you aimed at SSG Robert Webster years ago?
Soldiers and Marines have much richer traditions -- which serve them well in both war and peace -- than new-age warriors.
Perhaps you should take your blood pressure medicine while I also repeat my favorite use of the term "warriors":
https://youtu.be/NwwY9y6O3hw
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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My apologies, CPT Bob Coleman. Looking more carefully, I realize that your extremely similar comment was only 2 years ago and was (I think) directed at Sgt Charles Welling instead of SSG Robert Webster. But the bluster and habit of typing "warrior" in all-caps was pretty much the same, and SSG Robert Webster's last comment was 4 years ago.
That said, feel encouraged to go do some digging and share even one occasion when General Patton referred to soldiers as warriors. I've found several when he shared sentiments more like this: "...It is a proud privilege to be a soldier – a good soldier … [with] discipline, self-respect, pride in his unit and his country, a high sense of duty and obligation to comrades and to his superiors, and a self confidence born of demonstrated ability.”
I'll side with General Patton and consider soldiers (and Marines) to be much greater than mere warriors.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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Since I no longer do briefings (or meetings) at echelons above reality, and haven't for years, I just learned a new bit of trivia. Thank you for sharing.
I know my opinions on the ever-more popular stylistic habit of making things Important By Capitalization matters very little to the profound thinkers who have dictated soldiers are now Soldiers, except when they're Warfighters or WARRIORS, or that black men are now Black men, but I'll keep putting it out there in case the up-and-coming generations feel like simplifying things so it's possible to selectively emphasize instead of genuflecting to every faction wanting verbal affirmation.
I'm also sorry that my use of the word "comfie" causes you to jump to such dire conclusions about my understanding of what it means to be a soldier. If you didn't notice the "See 7 more" under my military experience, then you missed the fact that you and I left active duty the same year, or that, while you were commanding an artillery battery in Babenhausen, I was running border ops out of a Cav camp 150 miles east of you. Even if you had, there's also no way you could know that I started skimming through the Green Books about the time you started USMAPS. Or that, for sentimental reasons, I chose "honorary" retirement during the RIFs of the '90s, when that was offered as an alternative to straight discharge - better to be a lowly lieutenant emeritus than to say goodbye to all that. So there is a remote chance I might know a little something about something.
I will share one final, hopefully humorous, note reflecting the roots of my disdain for the fixation on who's a "warrior" or a "warfighter" - or a REMF. Au revoir, CPT Bob Coleman.
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PO1 Richard Mecom
PO1 Richard Mecom
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The army idiot needs to be punished. If he calls a person that is on out team wonder what he calls others......bully
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SSG Retired!!!
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If anyone is offended by being called a POG, they seriously need to get thicker skin.
My advise, come up with some clever comebacks or carry some kleenex around.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
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SFC Mark Bailey - You remember a certain POG red head who worked MILPAY and scared the hell out of everyone driving a HMMV right? I still drive like that!
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SSgt Phil Sutherland
SSgt Phil Sutherland
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It's not just them calling him a POG. That thicker skin helps. But this rose to the level of a threat and telling him to leave. That is an active violation of the UCMJ and needs correction.
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SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
SPC Dawn Appelberg (Johnson)
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SSgt Phil Sutherland - Agreed about the demand to leave and actual group threat. They went over the line for that.
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Col Rebecca Lorraine
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"Make me"? Challenge them to a duel and raise your dukes. Have them call the MPs and escort you out of the place. Make a big stinkie, kick them in the gonads, laugh in their face and tell them you have a contagious disease spread through body fluids. Beg them to hit you. Call "incoming" and run in while they figure out what that means. Call mom, she'll fix it.
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SGT Lisa Turner
SGT Lisa Turner
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1SG Rick Seekman - Really. Just wonder how you can do your job with out the POG'S doing their job like feeding you, supplying you, providing air cover, seeing that you get your mail, your medical care, personal and your pay.
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CPL Deanna Green (Parkinson)
CPL Deanna Green (Parkinson)
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SSG (Join to see) - LOL! Yes, yes we did!
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Sgt Ed Allen
Sgt Ed Allen
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SFC Kim Armstrong - Trying to understand your comment about "prejudice and discrimination". There was no discrimination the the proceeding comments. Maybe you have a chip on your shoulder and see everything with a different view. As for prejudice, I suspect there is a bit of that in your heart.

The Coastie (is that prejudicial?) was whining because his/her feelings were hurt. As an adult, he/she should have been able to stand up to the comments. How much fear do you have to quiver and not respond, and then want to have the person punished?

This is not about prejudice, discrimination or any of the other favorite politically correct topics. This is about people who are serving in the armed forces and still don't have the strength to speak up. What was the worst that could have happened if the Coastie had fired back? Nothing. There would not have been a fight. The soldiers would have had respect for him/her.

As for Col Lorraine, she is absolutely correct in using humor to get the point across. Too many people are taking things way too seriously. When you focus so much on the minor details, you forget that there is a big picture.
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Sgt Ed Allen
Sgt Ed Allen
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If I could tell a Brig Gen and a MGYSGT that they can't have ham with their chipped beef, I'm sure I could tell the grunt to can it. And I'm just a computer programming POG.
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