Posted on May 14, 2015
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
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I was looking at both the Army and Marine method of combat pistol. To be quite frank I think the Marines have a better handle on this. What so you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU17hG4zZvw
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MSG Brad Sand
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As soon as you said 'Combat Pistol' everything that followed seemed a bit foggy. If you are in combat and going to your pistol...well I am praying for you already.
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SPC Daniel Raschi
SPC Daniel Raschi
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Ask a combat medic about the importance of a pistol. Don’t get me wrong I loved my M-4 and my M-16 but the 9mm Beretta saved my life twice so Im not going to throw any shade at the pistol.
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MSG William Hesser
MSG William Hesser
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Bottom line, the Marines spend a large amount of time on the range honing up their skills with their rifles and pistols. Basically at least one or two days per month while the Army only goes on the range a couple times per year and once per year to qualify. The Army spends the rest of their time honing up on the other common tasks skills they need to be proficient in.
I agree that this is a big mistake with the Army. They need to spend more time on the range.
I spent several years in a NG unit and we went down range at the Wyoming training area 10 to 12 months every year to do weapons training and also our common skills training. So I would have put our unit up against any unit Marine or Army for shooting skills.
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CW3 Harvey Keck
CW3 Harvey Keck
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1SG Patrick Sims - One of my college roommates was a 1LT in Nam, and issued a .45. He wisely obtained an AK-47 as his "main battery".
On a patrol, they walked into an ambush, with a crossfire from two Cong bunkers. My friend was shot in the leg, went down spinning, and the AK-47 went flying into tall grass out of sight. He crawled out of the fire into the only cover available, one of the Cong bunkers. He drew his .45 and pushed in one end of the bunker, killing two Cong who couldn't get their rifles out of the firing ports fast enough to shoot him. A third Cong abandoned his rifle and escaped out the opposite end of the bunker.
A sidearm is there as ever-present back-up to your rifle, and has distinct advantages in many combat circumstances.
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SGT William R Rawlings
SGT William R Rawlings
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In Vietnam I carried a M79 for 8 months and was never issued a pistol to go with it, I was lucky to not have needed it but knew if I did I was screwed ! Peace of mind has value
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
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Marines (of course)! How could you have possibly thought otherwise? :-)
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Sgt Joseph Baker
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PFC (Join to see) - I hate to break this to you, but 1985 is in the '80s.
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SGT Carl Blas
SGT Carl Blas
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The Marines have the best handgun course.
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Uh-huh. LOL
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SGT Todd Morelock
SGT Todd Morelock
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I got the Army pistol expert badge and M16. Not that hard if you follow instructions..
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As a federal agent I can tell you that based on this video their technique is just not the best. For example sticking both hand out and drawing the weapon all the way out when you can just shoot from the hip. In addition they seem to just look left and right before holstering their weapon, this is intended for the firer to watch his six, not just his left and right. Lastly, when they holster their weapon they need to do it without looking at their holster, one would not be able to see in the dark. Just some pointers. 
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Cpl James Houston
Cpl James Houston
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Didn't watch the video, but would put good odds on any Marine, in specialty unit. This picture is of a kd course. Tactical shooting and known distant defined course of fire are addressed differently. I'd rather stack a door with a boat crew from Force, than anyone else I can think. Especially, someone wearing a fucking beret. I'm not sure what federal agency you work with, but our marksmanship tactical and otherwise is acceptable for FBI training, and there is a reason. Long story short, your ass won't out shoot this marine on any course of fire with any weapon. Name the range, weapons, the date and time I'm there. We can post the video on here let the results speak for themselves.
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Cpl James Smith
Cpl James Smith
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Personally, having been a Security Force Marine in the 90's, this looks like the watered down version they give to those who don't carry a rifle as part of their primary kit, Marines are riflemen first, not pistoleros(however that is spelled). But they do all those rediculous repetitive movements to try and produce good habits of awareness of weapon, ammo, threats, potential threats; and calling this "combat pistol" course....looks like an introduction, not even close to what I was taught in Chesapeake. Could have found a better vid for this.
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Sgt Joseph Baker
Sgt Joseph Baker
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Cpl James Smith - Agree that it looks like these Marines are being instructed to do it slow and methodical to allow them to focus on the movements to create muscle memory. No one would draw his or her weapon this slow in combat.
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SGT Team Chief
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There’s range and then there is realty
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