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LTC Stephen C.
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I think you may know something about this, SGT Robert Pryor, although yours is the Cross and not the Medal. I thank SFC William Farrell for setting me straight!
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen C.
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You’re totally correct, SFC William Farrell. I was thinking cross, even as I was reading medal. Thanks!
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SGT Robert Pryor
SGT Robert Pryor
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LTC Stephen C. and SFC William Farrell, you guys have it right. Before the DSM there was a lot of abuse of awards for the MOH. Maybe there still is. Go back and read some of the MOH citations for those of higher ranks from prior wars. It angers me because folks were awarded the MOH for actions that just MIGHT earn someone a Bronze Star in later wars. Below is President Theodore Roosevelt's MOH citation. I picked on him because he was POTUS and I don't mind picking on politicians, but there are many far worse cases than this. At least Roosevelt did something himself, as opposed to taking credit for what those under his command did. I saw actions similar to Roosevelt's from time to time in Viet Nam, and those veterans weren't even decorated with an ArCom for their efforts.

"Lieutenant Colonel Theodore Roosevelt distinguished himself by acts of bravery on 1 July, 1898, near Santiago de Cuba, Republic of Cuba, while leading a daring charge up San Juan Hill. Lieutenant Colonel Roosevelt, in total disregard for his personal safety, and accompanied by only four or five men, led a desperate and gallant charge up San Juan Hill, encouraging his troops to continue the assault through withering enemy fire over open countryside. Facing the enemy's heavy fire, he displayed extraordinary bravery throughout the charge, and was the first to reach the enemy trenches, where he quickly killed one of the enemy with his pistol, allowing his men to continue the assault. His leadership and valor turned the tide in the Battle for San Juan Hill. Lieutenant Colonel Roosevelt's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army."

Man, he got the MOH for killing one enemy combatant. The rest was leadership. And that's where the DSM and other wards come in. I felt that my actions, for which I was awarded the DSC, only merited a Bronze Star, so I have no idea what that was all about. I know for a fact that I was originally recommended for the DSC, not some other award, so it's not like it got changed by those handling awards and decorations at USARV.

https://valor.militarytimes.com/hero/2921
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SFC William Farrell
SFC William Farrell
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LTC Stephen C. - I knew what you were thinking Steve, its just nice to correct the Colonel every once in awhile! LOL
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SFC William Farrell
SFC William Farrell
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SGT Robert Pryor - I think you just started the downgrade process Robert! LOL But you are right about many of the earlier MOH citations in that they were for leadership. I recently had an exchange with someone on Instagram about Roosevelts MOH and General Wainwright's from WWII. I felt they were both mainly for leadership and this person felt that Wainwright was the more deserving because of his POW status. I believe they were both leadership although I do admit that Wainwright certainly had it a lot tougher.
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CW5 Jack Cardwell
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That for the history of this medal.
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SPC Douglas Bolton
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Great move.
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