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Posted on Aug 17, 2016
LTC Thomas Tennant
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CSM William DeWolf
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Awesome reflection on the current state of ROTC. I'm located in New England and would agree with these thoughts.
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CPT Pedro Meza
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You are aware that the ROTC programs have been disappearing along with the budget cuts, and military reductions, more so now. It is easy to blame a selective bad guy, but reality is force reduction effects all.
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SGT Philip Roncari
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The two trip wires that stand out in this post were the very weak if nonexistent ROTC programs in the northeast as most people would admit the ultra liberal stands these institutes of higher learning show in this area is historic since the Vietnam War,as far as John Kerry goes I cannot comment due to his making me sick to my stomach I'm feeling a little queasy now so I'll end this.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
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I have a picture of me and John Kerry during one of his Vietnam Vets Against The War Protests. I was standing at attention during the National Anthem and he was lurching out the door. The photo made the UPI and broadcasted nationwilde....my 15 minutes of fame.
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SGT Philip Roncari
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LTC Thomas Tennant-Sir,of course you were standing at the position of attention you are a man of honor and integrity,John Kerry is not!
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A Personal Perspective on The Impact of Shrinking & Unbalanced ROTC
CPT Tom Monahan
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ROTC is a State concern as much as a Federal one. Governors need to talk with public university presidents, and possibly private ones, about the needs of the Militia/National Guard. This may turn some academics' heads.
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I remember OCS had also decreased its acquisitions as well (my info may be dated). Could this also coincide with a ideal change of what the proper Army Officer development model is?
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LTC Thomas Tennant
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Who knows. If you were to talk to the people in Cadet Command, there is an up hill battle in most liberal institutions of higher learning....something about may libs seeing politics equal to leadership....or some such rot.
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SPC Erich Guenther
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I disagree with you in a few respects. Spent some time at USAREC HQ and among most of the Recruiters in the field they subscribe to this same red vs blue state analysis when it comes to military Recruiting. They point to military recruiting stats which I won't get into except to say the USAREC recruiting regions are not cleanly split between North and South or Red vs Blue so the analysis doesn't get very far. The "Liberal" states are still contributing about the same recruits as the "Conservative" states even though I would agree that specific states and cities are challenging.

However, the Active Army is slowly pulling out via it's own budget tightening of communities and community support. I think that IS marketing and I am at a loss to explain why the Army is doing this. For example when I was in the National Guard in 1982, very common for us to host the Boy Scouts while they earned their marksmanship badges on our firing range under our supervision more or less. Does the National Guard do that anymore? Then there was the Army Civilian Marksmanship program which was a LOT more expansive back then. You really have to hunt to find a local Army sponsored match these days. Army was into NASCAR pretty heavily as well...........Well, thanks to Congress they are pulling back there as well. Army Recruiting events in the 1970's and early 1980's were pretty kick azz, I remember them landing a squadron of Huey's on the High School grounds right next to my house in Wisconsin back when I was a kid that made a huge impression. Does that happen now? Anywhere? If you went to the State Fair, there was the Army and Marine bands playing along with a recruiting stand. Now I have to say that still happens at the Texas State Fair but where else in the country does it happen? Local City and Town Fairs..........Army National Guard Recruiting display. At Air shows, Air National Guard Recruiting Booth. Hard to find those today as air shows have declined. So in my view the influence them when they are young approach has all but disappeared. Instead the Army shows up once or twice in a local high school and Parents view them as opportunists or used car salesmen. The reason for that is because they look that way as the Army has retrenched or retreated from almost all of it's community outreach programs from the Boy Scouts to NASCAR to Air Shows to State Fairs. What about the former big ticket recruiting events with the real helo's.....not much money for that anymore. High School JROTC........some places it's there but others it is not.
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We can always bring back Battlefield Commissions and Brevets, just saying.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
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Or we can learn from the Israelis. You can not be an officer or NCO until you served four years as a private. Only then will you be "invited" to be one....something about learning to follow lawful orders before you can give them. What do you think?
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I was stunned by the concept Sir, that's a hell of an idea.
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You definitely make an interesting point about colleges in New England and the northeast corridor, however, I believe this issue is something that is a case-by-case struggle with different college administrations and certainly different student bodies.
I myself am a Navy/Marine ROTC graduate and I attended ROTC first via a crosstown program at University of Minnesota - Twin Cities while attending my normal classes at the University of St. Thomas (UST). UST itself had an Air Force ROTC program on campus despite being a Division III school and they offered full room and board compensation on top of your ROTC scholarship. The student body and faculty was accepting and supportive, and I found the same to be true of even the liberal Minnesotans at "The U". We had one student cross-town enrolled at Macalester College who had red paint dumped on her truck but anti-war protestors but that was just how Macalester was. I was a walk-on and when I won my ROTC scholarship, I put in for a transfer to my home state's Big Ten school, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. There I found the students and the professors to be extremely accepting and welcoming. I honestly can't recall a single instance, even during the height of discontent with the Iraq War when I went to school between 2007-2011, where I was met with anything but respect and courtesy.
I recently attended the University of Southern California ROTC and Veterans Dinner in which General Mattis was the keynote speaker, undoubtedly due to the fact that General Petraus is a Judge Whidney Professor and championed their Veteran's MBA program. The President of USC also spoke and reiterated their support for the community and held up USC's unbroken support for ROTC on campus for the last century. So while the Northeast has some difficulties with their progressives and ROTC, there is certainly still support for the military on our nation's West Coast, in the Midwest, and undoubtedly the South. Interested candidates will still seek out schools which will support their career decisions, but I find more often than not that people don't even know about that career possibility. I'd say that there is a marketing aspect to the problem, though for the Northeast specifically, you do have a progressive student culture problem as well.
What you're lamenting is what most conservatives have been lamenting for the past couple decades, and that's progressive takeover of our nation's universities, where the only diversity that matters is diversity of skin color and not diversity of thoughts and opinions. I don't know how much CO's are familiar with what grants are going to what universities and this hits me as something well up the chain. However, individual ROTC Battalion Commanding Officers do still need to stand up to liberal administrations and use their command resources to ensure their battalion's continued presence on campus. Given the anti-war students aren't the only other players in town. ROTC students and cadre can leverage the Greeks, College Republicans, on-campus veterans groups, as well as the local area Republican party officials and representatives, even some College Democrats as not all liberals are completely off the reservation. Some people would jump to take their side, but they have never been asked.
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By the way, about the last comment you made concerning Sen. Bernie Sanders, can you expound a bit about what he said, sir? After reading his stated plan to dismantle almost all of our border security mechanisms and hearing his "plan" to make all state colleges "free", I'd love to hear how he intends to disembowel ROTC.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
LTC Thomas Tennant
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First, from everything I have read the Marine Corps was and still is very smart in how they recruit and train their "non-academy" junior officers. Back in the early '70s a couple of my fraternity brothers went into the program and had nothing but high praise for what they went thru to receive their commissions. By being "off campus" they did not have to deal with the campus radicals like my Army ROTC buddies and I did. But that was back in the 70's.

Say what you will about Midwest Liberals, on the whole Minnesota and the "Twin Cities" in particular at least respect and support the military and their veterans. Having had USAR units in that region and later elsewhere, I am impressed with their level of commitment. The VA Hospital on Fort Snelling is first rate. They also have a very active VFWs and American Legion community. I was up that way for a couple of unit regions and, aside from your "Saturday Night Live" Senator, the state still strikes me as full of "Reagan Democrats" and salt of the earth type people. So I can see why the ROTC programs are apparently strong. The same can not be said in the Northeast where Communism and Leftist Liberalism has taken deep root.

As to my "friend and acquaintance" Bernie Sanders, at least he is consistent in his beliefs and politics. We first "cross swords' in a couple of my mandatory Political Science courses where he was an over aged Teaching Assistant. He put me and my ROTC buddies in the middle of the cross hairs for his activist groupies by always pulling me into the "small working group" studies and debates....he may have done me a favor in the long run but at the time I hated his guts.

Sanders is very much a product of the late 1960 and early 1970s. He was very politically active in the anti war movement and was an open socialist back when it was still a very dirty word. He was and apparently still is a true believer in socialism and has bought into the tripe that the USA is a source of evil in the post WW2 world. When your throw in capitalism into the discussion, America is the devil incarnate. If he had grown up as a Brooklyn Jew, he would be totally in sync with Iran and ISIS. So there might be hope from still.

When the "Pentagon Papers" came out, he used that to bludgeon us with the corruption and immorality of the military-industrial complex. The current military cuts we are experiencing are very much parallel to his thinking, only he will cut deeper. He lead or at least was part of the leadership of the then unsuccessful movement to kick Army ROTC off the University of Vermont campus. Thankfully, there were too many legal road blocks preventing that due to UVM being a "land grant college." However, that did not stop him and his cohorts from making life miserable for those of us in the program.

Am I happy Hillary beat him or rather cheated him put of the nomination? Not really, he at least ran an ethical campaign and gave birth to a legitimate movement. He and Trump would have provided us a clear contest between two views of America and our place in the world. The choice would be clear. With Hillary, it will be dirty Clinton politics and distractions from the real issues.
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