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Command Post What is this?
Posted on Sep 22, 2014
MAJ George Hamilton
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PO3 John Jeter
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"It's not my job!" A concept that astounded me in civilian life. Working for an electric company I frequently got into trouble by helping other crews stock and prep their vehicles for the day after my truck was ready. My training was that you pitched in wherever needed to get the mission done. Our meter stock room (no windows) had an electrical problem with a light fixture. So eight trucks are sitting at the loading dock waiting on an electrician to fix it so we can "see to work safely". I hung a drop light on an extension cord, got our stock (the electrician used the drop light while he replaced a ballast in a light fixture), and finished prepping our truck for the days work. I got a three day suspension without pay over a union grievance.
It's not just the office culture that differs from military life, believe me! *grin*
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PO3 John Jeter
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"good public servants" and "political arena"........sounds like mutually antagonistic chemicals.....*grin* Sorry, that one slipped past the check valve!
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Capt Jeff S.
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Actually MAJ (Join to see), the subject of the mandatory service requirement was brought up to me by the Israelis and they told me we should have it. It was their opinion that military service was a necessity in turning out citizen soldiers because of their need to come up with enough bodies in case of war, but they also saw it as beneficial in helping young men transition to adulthood. ; )
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MAJ Brigade Logistics Officer (S4)
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Interesting. Coming from someone who has experienced it, that opinion certainly carries weight. I'm still not convinced, but it would be an interesting experiment. I don't see it happening in this country, though, not with our current political climate.
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Capt Jeff S.
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I don't either, despite the fact it would turn out better men and better leaders.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
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Also worth noting, there is the "official" culture and chain of command, and then there is the "informal" one. Most especially, the org chart and the actual distribution of authority are sometimes only vaguely related to each other.
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PO3 John Jeter
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I know of a company with the slogan "Salus Primus" (or Safety First) amongst the larger portion of field personnel it's more often pronounced as "Profitus Primus"......Just as an example of the Official vs the Informal......
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MSG Roger Quesenberry
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I've been out now for 25 years and am retired from everything. Thank God!. I'm glad I don't have to look for employment. When I did get out I went right to work for Boeing as an Armed Security Officer (Classified Projects), Left there and opened my own company and then retired after about 14 years.
Problems I encountered dealing with civilians?
1. They don't know the difference between leadership and management. They believe its one and the same and its even taught that way.
2. What's in it for me? Motivation is not so much about doing a good job and being proud of the work you've done or even part being part of a team. It's all pretty self serving. I had employees who came to me for interviews and the first thing out of their mouths was what they weren't going to do. I stopped the interviews right there and showed them the door. It was very hard to staff my company because of it. My Son who now owns and operates the company has told me he looks for ex-military and guys at least 35 or so, much better workers and more dependable. Sad but true.
3. When I got out having the degree was a must. I feel it was nothing more than a ticket punch. Our society needs skilled workers out there. Plumbers, Electricians, Carpenters, Mechanics, Engineers. I don't always recommend a degree anymore. Even upon graduation they really have nothing to contribute but they seem to all want to be Community Activists....How 'bout that.
4. Look into Law Enforcement, Fire, Security, even PMC work.
5. Terrorism is going to be around for along time. if you have picked up skills in CT work (SF, RGR, SMU, etc.) You have long term employment coming your way but as the military was it is a hard life.
6. Network with Vets.
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