Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Yes, but...
(always a good start to a story)

If you want to have a good time, grab you some popcorn, have a seat, and watch what happens when a know-it-all cadet tries to tell a battle-hardened Infantry Platoon Sergeant what's-what. Having watched that show before, I can tell you, that's some good entertainment!
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CH (LTC) Senior Site Chaplain
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I always enjoyed the Butter Bar platoon leader telling the platoon NCO what's what. That is equally enjoyable to watch! I saw the scout platoon second lieutenant call the entire dining facility to attention when the Battalion SGM walked in! Everyone stood up, the SGM fell to the floor laughing, and the Battalion XO took him outside to inform him that HE outranked the SGM! Ah, such good memories!!! LOVE the Army!
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COL Daniel Lindsey
COL Daniel Lindsey
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That CSM was not very professional— destroyed the new Lt. credibility—- falling in the floor laughing was not professional nor appropriate action for his rank—- bad example fir enlisted and other NCOs. End of story.
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CSM Carlson C.
CSM Carlson C.
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I doubt the CSM "literally" fell to the floor. But I truly believe he LOL'd something pretty serious.
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THE CSM did not literally 'fall on the floor,' but he was holding his sides laughing. The dining facility was put at ease and returned to their chow ... it all happened in a matter of seconds and was quickly forgotten. No one's credibility was destroyed and the young lieutenant learned a valuable lesson. All ended well!
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SGT Eliyahu Rooff
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I'd love to see one try pulling rank on a CSM. The show would be well worth the price of admission.
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SSG David Gentile
SSG David Gentile
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CPL Jeremiah Hess - Sounds like my father, retired csm. sadly, cancer and parkinsons took him.
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CPL Jeremiah Hess
CPL Jeremiah Hess
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SSG David Gentile my condolences
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SSG David Gentile
SSG David Gentile
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CPL Jeremiah Hess - At my age, losing family unfortunately is something that happens far too often. Thank you. Sadly, little brother went 1st.
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SGT Randall Smith
SGT Randall Smith
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Agent Orange took my younger brother and we were tight. But now it's taking me too.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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SGT (Join to see) See AR 600-20 table 1-1
You will find Academy Cadets and Senior ROTC cadets are in precedence between Warrant officers and NCO.
Generally a Senior ROTC cadet is a 3rd or 4th year scholarship contracted cadet.
So a 1st and 2nd year non contracted cadets have no rank as it applies to service members.

Though in the Cadet command and working with them, we commonly referred to all cadets as "sir" or "Ma'am" Or "Cadet Name"
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George Avery
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Correct. Actual cadet enlistments for non-academy cadets do not go into effect until they report for their summer "basic" experience between the second and third year.

Cadets between the third and fourth year have the same status as a Navy midshipman in the pre-academy days. They can be in the line of command, but remember that those midshipman were teenagers, at least one as young as 14 in the history of the US Navy. Barring a disaster, they are only given real authority as a training exercise and even then are probably closely overseen by an actual commissioned officer.

Be careful of the butterbar you disparage. I had a friend in college who was an Army NG 2LT and a college freshman like I was - but had already done 6 years as an active duty infantryman, leaving active duty as a fast-tracked E-5. I've known 2LT registered nurses or physician assistants in medical units who had superior technical expertise as well as both the legal authority in their medical license AND rank where even senior NCOs in their units would defer to them.
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Lt Col Paul Maxwell
Lt Col Paul Maxwell
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Cadets should never try to “pull rank” on an NCO. Corollary: good NCOs don’t create or tolerate situations where a cadet (or 2LT/Ensign) get challenged and disrespected enough to feel they have to try to assert that authority. This knife has two sharp edges.
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SSG David Brandgard
SSG David Brandgard
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Referred to then properly as cadidiots, they have not been commissioned ,therefore in reality no they don't. As officers-to-be, they are afforded the respect as butter bars, but have no actual authority.
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SSG Steve Jackson
SSG Steve Jackson
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I understand but disagree with "cadidiots"
What I'm saying is yes some are argent, rude, and think they know more, but as NCO's and other Officers are suppose to guide them into understanding there place and responsibility to the service they are serving. They dont get and if we mistreat and not teach they will go on and put other Service Members in danger because they have a grudge against NCO's. Teach and do what a Good NCO or Officer would do Praise in Public, Correct in Private
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