Posted on Oct 24, 2017
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I deal with cadets a lot, and they insist they out "rank" every NCO in the army. My usual response is somewhere around the guides of "uh-huh." Can I get some clarity of this?
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Yes, but...
(always a good start to a story)

If you want to have a good time, grab you some popcorn, have a seat, and watch what happens when a know-it-all cadet tries to tell a battle-hardened Infantry Platoon Sergeant what's-what. Having watched that show before, I can tell you, that's some good entertainment!
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
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CWO3 Warren Gaudreau - Well... except for Warrant Officers.
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CWO3 Warren Gaudreau
CWO3 Warren Gaudreau
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CPT Bob Coleman - Sorry about that, Warrant Officers in the CG are commissioned.
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CPT Bob Coleman
CPT Bob Coleman
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Warrant Officers are not Commissioned. They have WARRANTS, not COMMISSIONS. By definition.
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MSgt Michael Cole
MSgt Michael Cole
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CW04 are as good as a god..
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SGT Eliyahu Rooff
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I'd love to see one try pulling rank on a CSM. The show would be well worth the price of admission.
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CW2 Matt Baum
CW2 Matt Baum
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MAJ (Join to see) - That's hilarious! Literally laughed out loud.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
SSG Gregg Mourizen
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That one, never ends well.
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CPL Jeremiah Hess
CPL Jeremiah Hess
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I've seen it .. We had a CSM like the one from We were Soldiers.. You didn't make eye contact with that ol man..you felt like his soul was devouring your own.
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MAJ Jim Woods
MAJ Jim Woods
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As a 2nd LT, I left my Hat on the CSM's desk when I reported into a new Battalion on my 1st tour in VN. Couldn't find it when I came out of the CO's Session. I looked around and found it in the Trash Can. Message Received CSM!
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Edited 3 y ago
SGT (Join to see) See AR 600-20 table 1-1
You will find Academy Cadets and Senior ROTC cadets are in precedence between Warrant officers and NCO.
Generally a Senior ROTC cadet is a 3rd or 4th year scholarship contracted cadet.
So a 1st and 2nd year non contracted cadets have no rank as it applies to service members.

Though in the Cadet command and working with them, we commonly referred to all cadets as "sir" or "Ma'am" Or "Cadet Name"
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With all due respect, “cadets” are NOT COMMISIONED officers. So, I as a CW2 dont have to salute either a OC or WOC.... It is in the Reg...
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SGM Erik Marquez
SGM Erik Marquez
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CW2 (Join to see) - No idea who you are responding to, if my post......as it appears, your correct and we agree... As I said above more than 3 years ago"See AR 600-20 table 1-1, Table 1–1 shows the grades in the Army in order of their precedence. You will find Academy Cadets and Senior ROTC cadets are in precedence between Warrant officers and NCO."

Or you can look at the left side of table Table 1–2 Comparable grades among the Services which supports my position as well.
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SSG Gregg Mourizen
SSG Gregg Mourizen
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I believe the actual grade, is equivalent to E-6. I don't suggest the mess with anyone higher than that, if they know what is good for them.
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SPC James Anderson
SPC James Anderson
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Cadets outrank NCO's like butterbars outrank E-9's, its a technical fact that yes they do, but they dont know enough to tell someone where to shit yet, so they should just respectfully suggest, not order.
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