Posted on May 29, 2018
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I was awarded a Federal Nurse Army ROTC Scholarship, but my reserve unit won't release me? What should I do? This is something I've been working hard to get.
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SPC (Join to see) I'm curious what your reserve unit means by they won't release you. There is no release just from a scholarship or ROTC contract. Are you trying to switch into a Nursing unit, is it the transfer they are holding up? When your submit your commissioning paperwork your unit doesn't get a say, if you intend on staying in the reserves you'll need a paragraph and line number for a nursing unit, and the ROTC people will work out your transfer, your unit won't have the ability to not release you. If you intend to go active duty there is no reserve unit paperwork at all.
Your scholarship is independent of your reserve responsibilities so I'm confused how you would lose your scholarship. Please fill in some of the details?
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SPC (Join to see) - Yep, call you congressman. How much is the nursing scholarship?
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MAJ (Join to see) Its 10,000 per year so 20,000 plus 1200 per year for books and 500 per month for 2 years of a stipend
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So more than double your TA, the stipend is the standard ROTC stipend I presume. Worth fighting for, for sure.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Thank you, sir. And definitely worth fighting for.
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It seems like some of these units are worried more about their readiness or they have the crabs in the bucket mentality. The crabs in the bucket mentality is were one crab tries to crawl out and the other crabs pull him back in the water. During the middle of operation Iraqi freedom in mid 2004, I had no problem getting my Battalion Commander of a California Army National Guard armor units to sign off on me so I could join the Idaho Army National Guard and go volunteer with the 116th Cavalry Brigade to deploy to Iraq. You are doing something just as Noble as this. Not everybody gets to get an ROTC scholarship. My suggestion is, get documentation that you were refused to be released by your Battalion Commander or higher. Documented every step of the way that you were told no no no. I would then make an inspector general complaint. Inspector General probably side with the commander but usually if you've done every single step of the way you've documented it then try to go Congressional. I just spoke to someone on a plane yesterday and he had to get a congressional so he could leave at a certain unnamed branch. I don't know why the commanders at your level don't see the value of where you are going to go. You're going to be a commissioned medical officer after this so why not let you go?
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COL John McClellan
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I would counsel to only go that Congressional route if you have no other option because this (a Congressional Inquiry) will be received at the unit(s) both ROTC and USAR like a missile strike> CG calling down, immediate response required, call people in on Sunday, etc. etc. and it could backfire and bring a lot of recriminations and disdain your way - even if it is your right to do so, and, even if you are in the right. Everyone will resent the hell out of it > unless you have made every reasonable effort to clear fires at your level and with your Commanders, and then > I'd tell your NCO / officer that this is the next step you plan to take. I have been on both ends of Congressionals in unit(s) and I recommend you resolve this at the lowest level possible!
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COL John McClellan - Thank you sir for replying. As of now my ROTC enrollment officer contacted his boss, and he called my unit and chain of command. But if it does come to that point, I will definitely take that route, but like you mentioned sir, stay at the lowest level.
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I replied to your internal message not knowing you had mentioned you had contacted your ROTC chain of command and they are pushing the issue before you go nuclear
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SPC (Join to see) - I am assuming you have gone thru the chain of command and if so they CANNOT deny you the opportunity to talk to IG or a chaplain, in fact that is an IG complaint in and of itself. Time to talk to your congressman and/or senator.
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COL John McClellan
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Have you spoken to your unit Cdr via Open Door policy?? If you must go outside the unit, have you applied and been accepted in a Nursing program at an ROTC-affiliated college? If so, contact that school and get the Scholarship officer (ROO or Recruiting Operations Officer) involved. If need be, this CPT or MAJ (usually) can get their boss (a LTC or COL) involved if the USAR unit blocking you are not following the rules. Good Luck!!
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Thank you sir, for replying. Well the situation goes like this. I currently serve in the Army reserves. I've been accepted to a nursing school in Kansas. While attending that university, I decided to join Army ROTC. We created a packet and sent it off. Later, I was nominated for a 2 year Federal Nurse scholarship, which I filled out all the paperwork and the professor of military science has given me an intent letter. I worked hard for this especially this type of scholarship, which opens the doors to Active duty. Now, at my reserve unit they are hurting in retention. I've communicated with my unit about it long time before I even was in ROTC. Now they are getting mad for "jumping over chain of command", when in fact its ROTC trying to get me released. Our enrollment officer has called the BN S1 and stated that 368 Conditional release forms should be signed NLT 3 to 5 days so it may move up the chain of command. As of now, it has been 3 weeks. My unit commander also said that she will sign the 368 if I only go to Annual training, which is 3 weeks long. I told the commander i won't be able since I'm taking classes that I need for Nursing school and one of these classes I need licensure by the state. Which as mandated by the state I can't miss a single day. Not only is this a problem, but I created a packet with all items such a nursing program requirmemts, state law for CNA course, my rotc scholarship memo, etc. All this I've done and My ROTC cadre are getting tired that for reservists its harder to release than Guard. All I want to do is serve as active duty nurse, and the Army. But this barrier from the reserves is scaring me to a potentiality of losing my scholarship. This is one of the reasons why I want to become an officer. Again thank you for replying.
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COL John McClellan
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I understand the position you are in but you also have to fulfill your responsibilities as a current Soldier in that unit. AT is required and usually planned out well in advance. If this was not the case in your unit, well, I wouldn't be surprised but that's a tough fight to make from the ranks, because it involves the Army value of "duty" - i.e. folks will accuse you of not doing yours. Your aspirations aside, you are going to need to find a way to thread this needle and the best route is for everyone to be informed of the situation and what you are trying to do and why, and who you have talked to at every step of the way. Hang in there, stay calm, be patient and press your case but don't fail to show up at the appointed place/time or you will hurt yourself w/your unit and the leaders you need on your side!
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COL John McClellan - Tracking sir, but the only issue is this CNA course, which I need for my upper division nursing courses is not only mandated by the Nursing program but as well by the state of Indiana and Kansas.
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