Posted on Aug 29, 2015
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So I was told by my commander that a cadet ranks in between a Warrant Officer and a Commissioned Officer. So if this is correct a cadet out ranks a CW5? HA-HA! I would like to see that cadet try to make any kind of statement against him/her. Why is this and should it change?
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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Team... I would strongly recommend you read AR 600-20... that should lend some facts to the question... table 1-1 provides that a cadet does rate higher than any enlisted soldier and a OC... WOC. Table 1-2 provides the same between services.

What people forget is that responsibility is given by the commander... I had a USMA cadet in a CTLT position in korea back in 90/91. I was a PSG... he was nominally the PL... but my CO said, "cadet... you dont shit unless SSG Wesson clears it! You read me?"

There is regulation... and there is reality.

With this said, we... as leaders... regardless of rank... should never miss an oppurtunity to "shape" a future leader... in the case of NCOs... those leaders that will/do out rank you. It is this interaction that a possible future senior leader will remember. On a few occasions I have been on the receiving end with a senior that had a poor experience. I spent a great deal of time trying to corrrect that challenge... time better spent concentrating on the real mission.

Again... my two cents
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SPC Nancy Greene
SPC Nancy Greene
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please do not apologize TOP, you presented the most factual argument!1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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SPC Nancy Greene
SPC Nancy Greene
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Outstanding Chief!CW3 Kevin Storm
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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SPC Nancy Greene - thank you Nancy... that is very kind of you.
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1SG Cameron M. Wesson
1SG Cameron M. Wesson
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SPC Nancy Greene - I see your point Nancy and thank you; however, I would never make the assertion that anyone "owes" me... I say this because we as SNCOs and leaders are suppose to do... and pay it forward... all the time. Some times that pointed up... sideways to a peer.... or to a subordinate. It's about making the collective team stronger. :o) Take care
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I always considered them as a 4th Lieutenant. Calling them a 3LT might give them an ego trip.
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SPC Nancy Greene
SPC Nancy Greene
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Good to Go SSG!SSG Robert MacFann
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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The talk about SNCOs going to the dark side reminds me of my first duty assignment, LTC (Join to see). In a single infantry company, I think about a third of the senior NCOs held reserve commissions, wore pilot wings, and knew how to pronounce "RIF." That seemed kind of normal back then, especially after having a trusted friend in AIT who had gone from a pair of rockers to mosquito wings just to get back on active duty.
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1LT William Clardy
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PO1 (Join to see), of course they would. The real question is "Should they?"
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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Doesn't putting "specialist" and "do all the work" in the same sentence risk getting your Mafia Membership Card suspended, SPC Nancy Greene?
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SFC Mark Merino
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Cadets are college kids with x-amount of practice playing soldier right out of the Infantry manual. They might be heading to a seat at the big table, but they have a long way to go. As NCO's, we get the honor of helping them emerge from their shell and pointing them in the right direction. One bit of wisdom from a respected NCO at that stage of their military life will lay the foundation for their entire career. Sounds like your commander has some unresolved self-esteem issues from when he was a cadet to make a profound statement like that. I would also love to be part of the clean up detail after a cadet locked horns with a CSM or a CW5. Poor kid's autonomic nerve response system would shut down, and the smell of fecal matter would contaminate the entire AO, and his head would explode.
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SPC Nancy Greene
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IMHO, That is what ‘makes’ a good Officer! That is why I enlisted with a BA degree & didn’t go straight into OCSSSgt Charles Edwards
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SPC Nancy Greene
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CAV Rocks! I worked with 2/1 CAV in FRG 1986-87! Also worked with 41st INF! MSG Reid Zohfeld
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SPC Nancy Greene
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SPC Nancy Greene
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Definitely Agree!COL Ted Mc
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