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SFC Casey O'Mally
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Wait... when we vilify the police, the police quit / retire in higher than normal numbers? And fewer people are willing to join up?

Gosh. I wish someone had thought about that ahead of time. There was NO WAY we could have seen this coming.
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LTC Eugene Chu
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Baltimore police department may already face defunding for different reasons. The city government continues to settle lawsuits from numerous cases involving officers violating rules

https://news.yahoo.com/baltimore-awards-payment-man-arrested-194355926.html
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Baltimore has a lot more problems than the police department. One being that there are few Cities in the USA with as much crime.

In the case listed, you had a special police unit that was supposed to take guns off the street. The unit instead did illegal things such as robberies and sold drugs. This doesn't mean that the arrest itself of Robert Johnson was false or that he didn't have a gun, it means that the unit lost credibility through their criminal actions and any legitimate arrests that they made had to be thrown out.

Simply because a law suit was settled doesn't mean the officer or Department did anything wrong. If it is seen as cheaper than fighting the cases in court, the City/State admin may decide settling the case is the better way. Additionally, much of the money comes from insurance companies and not the Cities/States.

By contrast, you don't hear about the Federal government settling many of these type cases. It isn't because people aren't suing them, it is because the Federal government has deeper pockets to fight the lawsuits.
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SPC Jesse Davis
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Thing is, the police numbers have fallen starkly while crime remains relatively consistently high.
Which goes to show the disconnect. One big issue is that they've been slacking on Federal recommendations for reform.

Time to trash that union and start over.
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I'm not sure what you have been reading, crime has been going up the past few years, not down.
In Chicago, there were less than 500 murders in 2019, in 2020-there were over 750, the beginning of July and there were 1900 murders which is more than there were at that point last year.
In Baltimore, murders and violent crime has been going up for almost 7 years.

One thing that has been a constant is when leaders attack police, when the community attacks police, police numbers go down. Police retire or resign. Fewer qualified people are willing to be police officers when they see the slanted news coverage portraying police in a negative manner, when they get negative feedback from family and friends in the community.

The police officers become less willing to conduct pro-active police work which is required to reduce crime, violence, and remove drugs and weapons from the street.
In communities that have seen the above, where police officers are seldom seen in their areas or restrict their activities to responding to calls, crime escalates since it isn't the police officers who are committing the crimes in the neighborhoods, it is the family members, the neighbors, someone who comes into that area to commit a crime.
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SPC Jesse Davis
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Crime is usually measured per capita for precisely the reason of offsetting this kind of awkward hysteria. There are substantially more people in Chicago than there were a few years ago, not to mention the rather atypical circumstances of 2020 that make it a bad metric for anything.

Another red flag being that Chicago isn't even in the top ten for violence, the conservatives have just been obsessed about that city because of Obama.

Your intuition about how this works isn't really meaningful, though. Crime has been a long and thoroughly studied phenomena for generations, and rarely has the solution been 'more cops'.
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SPC Jesse Davis -
Chicago has had more violent crimes than most cities much larger than itself. There is no "awkward hysteria" to it, it is truth regardless of how uncomfortable you may be with that. The rather atypical circumstances of 2020 included riots.
I'm not sure which far left media that you are using for your source. I don't recall seeing any references to "Obama" and "Chicago crime" being mentioned on any news source whether it is Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, the New York Times, or any other source. Almost every single one mentions the high rate of murders and shootings that occur in Chicago every week.
I don't need "intuition" about how this "works". My BA is in criminal justice.
"More police" is only a part of it. That doesn't solve everything.
As quite a few cities have seen this past year, fewer police on the street, police who have lost trust in the leadership above them, police who are attacked by people in the community, police who don't trust the legal system (see Baltimore), with cities that have policies favoring the criminal, prosecutors who won't file charges or prosecute people based on politics, will tend to avoid active police work and become reactive. This means responding to crimes such as burglaries and robberies, not preventing them. Over a short period of time, crime does increase since there is nothing to dissuade them. These are facts.
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