Posted on Jun 5, 2020
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I’m PCSing to Fort Campbell and was wondering if it looks good with out having really anything else besides a few AAMs
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It looks like 25 promotion points. Other than that, it's not really worth anything other than a slightly surprised look on someone's face when you're at a Christmas party or ASU inspection and they see an E-4 with an MSM. It's uncommon but not unheard of.
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LCDR T.J. Smith
LCDR T.J. Smith
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SP5 Dylan Weddell - "hopefully to my men and the Iraqis it meant enough.''

I have doubt about it.
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MSG Allan Davis
MSG Allan Davis
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro - Remember when combat soldiers threw their awards in a shoe box or for some of us out of a bird, because that stuff wasn’t why we signed up and fought? I don’t know about you but I just don’t have anything in common with a soldier who needs accolades or thanks for doing their job. " it left a bad taste in my mouth...." "SP5" Weddell actually left the Army because he didn’t get a pat on the back...... SMFH
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro
MSG Joseph Cristofaro
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MSG Allan Davis -
I have a feeling SP5 Weddell was telling A story, as in, not his own.
I got out the first time in 1984, SP5 was eliminated a year or so afterward.
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MSG Allan Davis
MSG Allan Davis
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MSG Joseph Cristofaro - oh I caught where you were going with that. That’s why I put SP5 in quotes lol
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LTC Jason Mackay
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Not sure why you are focused on how it “looks”. Wear it with pride
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SFC Retired
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4 mo
Well Said!
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LTC Edgar Montalvo
LTC Edgar Montalvo
3 mo
I know a few LTCs that were awarded an MSM for retirement after 28 years of service, including successful tours as a battalion commander. Assuming it was "earned," then by all means wear it with pride, and don't worry about how it "looks."
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SPC James Seigars
SPC James Seigars
3 mo
Sir, I think LTC Montalvo hit it on the head. I am guessing that Spc Carriera being as new to the Military as he is thinks that once other military personnel see that he has the MSM they will think he didn’t “earn” it and it may cause him to have issues with some of his peers. I can tell him as a former soldier who served at Fort Campbell from 02-05 as a Specialist & Sergeant that they won’t care either way (at least they didn’t then and I doubt things have changed).
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MSgt Joseph Townsend
MSgt Joseph Townsend
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You would not have recieved the MSM if you didn't work for it. Wear it proudly
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CSM Darieus ZaGara
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I have never seen anyone below E6 earn an MSM, for an E4 a couple of AAMs is absolutely normal, more than one is good.
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SFC Leo Augustin
SFC Leo Augustin
4 mo
As a young SGT my section was getting ready for an inspection, i worked hard getting ready for it, even worked on days off and after hours. the day before the inspection we got a PVT straight out of AIT, we passed the inspection and she was awarded an AAM. up to that point i had no AAM or any award higher. that really affected me and the way i viewed the Army. Also as an SSG i gave my all to a Unit and when i was about to PCS i was put in for an MSM and the Brigade CDR downgraded it an ARCOM. the LT that recommended me for the award was my Supply Officer, he knew all i had done for the company. he took me to talk to the Brigade CDR and i was told that he does not give MSM to SSG or below and i can get an AAM and a ARCOM but not an NSM. funny thing was that he just gave one to a SSG infantry soldier. i have many more cases where the award i was recommended for was downgraded, its no wonder i still have issues after retirement.
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SFC James Himes
SFC James Himes
4 mo
I can understand your frustration SFC Leo Augustin. After spending 4 years USAF Security Police K9 and a four year break I enlisted in the National Guard. A couple years later I became AGR (Active Guard/Reserve).
My first AGR base was Lorain Ohio where the supply sergeant was not happy I was assigned as he had another M-Day solder lined up for the spot. That year at Annual Training this solder had a PTSD episode and was unable to go. After our briefing and a stip map of our route we got on the road. By the way I was a SP4 supply clerk/armorer. The first 4 trucks missed the ramp and drove straight on. When I made the turn onto the ramp my SSG started reading me the riot act about not following the others. I explained their mistake but he was not convinced I was right. As we sat at the rally point waiting for the eight trucks who got lost he settled a little bit.
We got to Camp Grayling MI and after a couple days moved out to the field. It was just me and the SSG in supply. The company was suppose to send a squad to help set up the GP Medium. They never showed up and clouds were getting really dark. I mentioned to the SSG and he said he didn't care if everything got destroyed he was not going to chance injury with just me and him setting it up as it took at least a squad plus. By chance I had a family friend who was assigned as our medic for this training. I asked the SSG if I could try and set up the tent and he said he would not approve a line of duty injury report if I hurt myself. I asked my friend after explaining my plans of setting it up and he agreed to help. Just him and me - we put up the GP medium. If you know anything about Army tents this one is a little tougher because of the huge 4x6 center beam. Well we did get it set up and all supplies just before the rain broke - for almost 3 hours. The SSG said he never could have believe only two persons could have done that. He was impressed and explained how he initially didn't want me and was hoping for any excuse to get rid of me but after his selection bailing out and then the convoy success and finally the tent he was glad the Major force him to take me.
But that is just the prelude to the big shaft.
A couple years later I learned that we were going to have a 90MM recoiless rifle range at Grayling. I studied my ass off - all the manuals both repair/maintenance as well as operation and range procedures. Still a E4 (SP4). I overheard through the grapevine that one of the supply sgts was planning on not bringing firing pins so they could not use his units 90s. I decided that for the experience as well as to control my units weapons I wanted to be at that range even though I was not the designated armorer for that range. I showed up and the assigned armorer did not show up because he knew nothing about the weapon. I know the rest of this story will sound far fetched and probably no one left around to verify but I accomplished so much I don't need to make up this shit. So of twelve weapons at that range only four were operational, three of which were all the ones from my unit. The Lt who was running the range, and was from my unit came and asked if I could help the other units get some up. So looking through their weapons I was able to move parts around and get 8 of the twelve ready (I did not even try and get Charley Company online since their sgt deliberately left all firing pins back at the armory).
Next we learn that the Safety NCO, an E6 did not know the range safety procedure so the Lt came back to me and again asked me to to the safety briefing - I agreed but warned the Lt he would owe me. The final straw was the E7 ops Sgt did not know his duties or how to teach the teams the proper firing sequence. This time I told the Lt I wanted to fire in all three positions - standing, kneeling and prone. He was very nervous as then Guard was only authorized to fire in prone. I told him he could get his E7 to do his job so he relented. There were some old wood produce baskets there...not sure for what but figured they would make good visual aids to the danger of the back blast area. I covered the procedures and fired a round standing. I then put the flimsy wood crates a couple feet behind and making sure the rest of the back-blast was safe I fired a round kneeling which tore up and set fire to the crates. As we were putting out the burning wood I heard some one say that was the best f---ing safety demo he ever saw. It was the Battalion O6. He ordered his aid to make sure I received a commendation for my work.
Got back to the Company area and I hear my 1stSgt claiming he wasn't putting me in for doing my job. (?) A couple days latter the Cols' aid came inquiring about the award and so the first sergeant said everyone was getting one. So the E7 got an Army Commendation and the E6 got an Army Achievement and I got an Ohio Commendation. I who had done all the work but because a first sergeant thought I didn't deserve it got the lowest level award. So that is my experience in awards. I got a few more over the years including an Army Commendation, 2 Army Achievements and 5 good conduct. As I retired I did receive the MSM.
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SSG Master Driver
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CSM, don't you mean awarded and not earn? I've seen SSG's and below earn them but be flat out denied while I've seen BSM passed out like candy to S-shops who never came to the field nor down range.
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MSgt Anne Slabinski
MSgt Anne Slabinski
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SFC James Himes - The higher ups always claim the credit. they did while I was in the Army Reserves and also when I was in the Air Force. sorry!
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